Disney Genie+ and ILL$ Details & FAQ - Launches 10/19 at WDW, Paid "FastPass" at WDW and Disneyland (date TBD)

[Jake]

For many of us who fly into DW. And stay at DW. we are already investing $1000 of $ . So you kinda have to pay the $15 per pp per day.
guest Tron will be additional money

 

[dvc lover 1970]

question? what happens if you pay for tier 1 ride and the ride goes down do they refund your money????

 

[Alana20]

Stay offsite - will save thousands to pay for all that, Disney is really driving us off property.

Saw a comment on another site that I think summed it up perfectly “New Disney Resort Perk: give us more money earlier in the day!”

 

[JoJoGirl]

I see it as the opposite. They will want MORE people through the LL line so they will have an opportunity to make the most amount of LL money as possible. So it actually incentivizes them to have the rides working. They will actually have a dollar amount of what they are losing in lost LL productivity so they know exactly how much it is costing them in real dollars rather than just customer experience with when you have a bottom line minded CEO of a jammed packed facility, that really doesn't matter

I truly hope you are right! But I can definitely see them exploiting surge pricing to recoup for reduced capacity - intended or not. A lot will depend on how responsive and elastic their surge pricing is, and what metrics it‘s based on. The concept of a concrete measure for individual attraction profitability is very interesting to be sure. The algorithms for pricing must be mind boggling.

 

[elmwyn]

Totally agree. Without the onsite FP+ booking benefit only having the 30min EM1/2H is not worth the cost of staying onsite. Use the savings of staying offsite to pay for G+ and 2 E-ticket LL for your main park days and you will still likely be saving money.

I think you are probably right. I will definitely be watching closely to see how people are handling the early entry. If you can knock paid options off your list early it might still have some benefit. At a park like Epcot or AK if you can get one done, and jump quickly in standby for another before the main hordes are released you may be able to forgo G+ for that day.

They still haven't actually listed what will be accessible with early entry though, which makes me think there will be limitations.

 

[Liquidice]

I added a FAQ section to the first post to help answer some questions I've seen come up multiple times - are there any other questions should add? I am trying to keep the first post opinion free and just factual - so no snarky questions please

 

[rstevens333]

Looking at the rumored list, I bet Space Mountain is a placeholder until Tron opens.

 

[tinkerhon]

This is exactly how I feel. I got up early one morning before our trip to book FP+ for the week and was able to guarantee all the rides I wanted. I don’t think it was the crack of dawn-maybe a little before 7. I also didn’t even have to book them all at 7am back then. I picked the most popular and filled in the rest later. Now I will have to get up at 7am every.single.morning of my vacation to schedule my first ride, pay for two top tier rides and hope that all the other good “free“ or whatever is included in the $15 a day Tier 2 rides do not sell out by 10:30am like Toy Story Midway Mania did when there was still paper FP.
This does nothing to alleviate the crazy crowds at rope drop I witnessed this July and will just drive more people in earlier trying to grab their first pass.

I have also seen very few positive comments on social media-mostly negative.

I just dont like the timing---- so, you can make ADRs up to 60 days prior (or 60+ 10)
But you have to make the ride "reservations" per day---
So, if you have an ADR at 4:30-5:00pm, and the only time for a ride you want is that same time, you have to choose between eating and the ride ?

 

[luv2cheer92]

Me too. I want to go for the 50th at some point, but after that? Eh. Europe is cheaper.

I go to Europe (or somewhere abroad) just about every year. My WDW trips are always far cheaper. I enjoy both styles of trips for very different reasons, couldn't imagine giving up one of them.

 

[Moliphino]

I go to Europe (or somewhere abroad) just about every year. My WDW trips are always far cheaper. I enjoy both styles of trips for very different reasons, couldn't imagine giving up one of them.

I had two people at Pop for 8 nights in May for $5700. Four people to Rome for 9 nights in 2019 for $7600. Two people for 8 nights in Spain in 2018 was $4200. It's really only the flights that make Europe even that expensive.

 

[IceSkatingPrincess]

My feelings on this hinge a lot on how much the premium rides are going to cost, tbh. $15 a day is pretty reasonable to me (cost of one adult beverage to skip lines? Sure), but since it excludes the top rides, how much extra will that add on? Super curious about that.

I think this is key. $6 vs like $16 for a one-time LL pass is going to make a HUGE difference.

Unfortunately a lot of these answers are not going to be clear until we start to see this play out at the parks. I'm interested to watch the data for the first few weeks.

How critical is that 7am onsite advantage going to be?
How much does the dynamic LL pricing really vary throughout the day?
What does availability look like/how many passes can one feasibly get with G+?
Is there a "refresh trick" for G+ like in the old times to find more desirable rides/times?
How badly does all of this impact standby?
Is the app going to crash constantly?


So much to learn. It's going to be a wild ride for awhile guys.

 

[fatmanatee]

Looking at the rumored list, I bet Space Mountain is a placeholder until Tron opens.

Guardians is also a good bet to be added. Maybe swap with Test Track if they want to keep it at two per park?

 

[Karin1984]

I just dont like the timing---- so, you can make ADRs up to 60 days prior (or 60+ 10)
But you have to make the ride "reservations" per day---
So, if you have an ADR at 4:30-5:00pm, and the only time for a ride you want is that same time, you have to choose between eating and the ride ?

That would only be an issue if you are there for 1 day. You can then always try again later in your trip or day, in case something becomes available, or go for a standby line, if both are too important and don't want to give up either. Rope drop, go around closing, during parade or fireworks time.
Or see if you can reschedule your ADR. Miracles happen.

I wouldn't say you had to chose between eating and the ride, no, between eating at that specific restaurant and the ride.

 

[Jrb1979]

I think this is key. $6 vs like $16 for a one-time LL pass is going to make a HUGE difference.

Unfortunately a lot of these answers are not going to be clear until we start to see this play out at the parks. I'm interested to watch the data for the first few weeks.

How critical is that 7am onsite advantage going to be?
How much does the dynamic LL pricing really vary throughout the day?
What does availability look like/how many passes can one feasibly get with G+?
Is there a "refresh trick" for G+ like in the old times to find more desirable rides/times?
How badly does all of this impact standby?
Is the app going to crash constantly?


So much to learn. It's going to be a wild ride for awhile guys.

There is no 7am advantage for onsite. Anyone who had Genie+ has access at 7am.

 

[limitdis]

Stay offsite - will save thousands to pay for all that, Disney is really driving us off property.

That's a great point. Stay offsite and use the extra money on attractions.

 

[HopperFan]

There is no 7am advantage for onsite. Anyone who had Genie+ has access at 7am.

The advantage is they can book the paid individual attraction passes at 7 am. Offsite has to wait until they are in the park. Without knowing how limited they are, there might be some like FoP that will run out.

 

[limitdis]

I just dont like the timing---- so, you can make ADRs up to 60 days prior (or 60+ 10)
But you have to make the ride "reservations" per day---
So, if you have an ADR at 4:30-5:00pm, and the only time for a ride you want is that same time, you have to choose between eating and the ride ?

That's a really good point. This could be a complete mess.

 

[tinkerhon]

That would only be an issue if you are there for 1 day. You can then always try again later in your trip or day, in case something becomes available, or go for a standby line, if both are too important and don't want to give up either. Rope drop, go around closing, during parade or fireworks time.
Or see if you can reschedule your ADR. Miracles happen.

I wouldn't say you had to chose between eating and the ride, no, between eating at that specific restaurant and the ride.

True, but how about this scenario--- and it has to be pretty common--- 5-6 day trip, with 5 park days, that you already have reserved... your adrs as well--- You might not be able to go to that particular park another day, and its its one of the more difficult ADRS that you have booked, you probably wont be able to change the ADR either--- So, then the options are narrowed down to RP and around closing?

 

[Karin1984]

True, but how about this scenario--- and it has to be pretty common--- 5-6 day trip, with 5 park days, that you already have reserved... your adrs as well--- You might now be able to go to that particular park another day, and its its one of the more difficult ADRS that you have booked, you probably wont be able to change the ADR either--- So, then the options are narrowed down to RP and around closing?

During FP+ it was also possible that you wouldn't be able to get your desired FP at the desired time / that times conflicted. You still had to chose, or keep refreshing or use ropedrop, ride at close. That basically didn't change. Except that you knew it advance, and you could make a plan B in advance. You can still think of that plan B in advance and activate if needed.

 

[limitdis]

Does this now mean Disney has a little bit of motivation to build rides that DON'T have lots of capacity in the future, so they can make money on lightning lane?