4th Fastpass easier today 6/7 than yesterday?

[DisneyMom93]

I heard that a family of 3 was escorted out of MK this evening and they revoked their park tickets, but gave them their money back. I didn't get the specifics, but it had something to do with the use of fast passes. So sounds like these system checks are already in place...

Wow. Where did you hear this?

 

[DonaldDuck77]

Out of curiosity does anyone know if the latest change affects 4th or subsequent FP? Specifically we often travel with some older family members who on occasion have been tired after dinner and decided at the last minute not to return to the park in the evening or leave earlier than we do. In the past had they already scheduled a 4th (or subsequent) FP we may have have used it rather than letting it go to waste but it seems that would no longer be ok? Or would it since they attended the theme park that day using one of their ticket entitlements including their own 3 FP earlier? NOT trying to start a debate just trying to understand if is still ok for a legitimately used ticket to allow a traveling party member to ride instead of them.

If this practice is not OK, then the practice of handing your band to another to ride instead of you should also not be OK. If handing your band to another is OK, this practice should be OK. I will let "others" decide which side to take.

 

[Lisa F]

Out of curiosity does anyone know if the latest change affects 4th or subsequent FP? Specifically we often travel with some older family members who on occasion have been tired after dinner and decided at the last minute not to return to the park in the evening or leave earlier than we do. In the past had they already scheduled a 4th (or subsequent) FP we may have have used it rather than letting it go to waste but it seems that would no longer be ok? Or would it since they attended the theme park that day using one of their ticket entitlements including their own 3 FP earlier? NOT trying to start a debate just trying to understand if is still ok for a legitimately used ticket to allow a traveling party member to ride instead of them.

as long as they have scanned their tickets in for admission there is nothing wrong with what you are doing. if they decide not to go to the parks at all, you are not supposed to use their prebooked FP+. enjoy your trip

 

[fan1080]

as long as they have scanned their tickets in for admission there is nothing wrong with what you are doing. if they decide not to go to the parks at all, you are not supposed to use their prebooked FP+. enjoy your trip

You may want to read the following, from the Disney site FAQ:

Q. Can other people use my MagicBand or card?

A. No. Your MagicBand or card is unique to you and only you are authorized to access the benefits associated with it—including linked tickets, FastPass+ experiences, touch-to-pay purchases and other entitlements. Once a MagicBand or card is linked to your Disney account, it cannot be transferred to another person.

In addition to touching your MagicBand or card to a touch point, you will be required to scan a finger to enter the parks or enter a PIN code to uniquely identify yourself when making purchases. This process helps to ensure that you, and only you, have access to the entitlements linked to your MagicBand or card.

I wouldn't risk any of the old "tricks", until these new enforcements have been in place for some time.

 

[Lisa F]

You may want to read the following, from the Disney site FAQ:



I wouldn't risk any of the old "tricks", until these new enforcements have been in place for some time.

you can transfer the fastpass over to your own MB. presumably a party traveling together is already friends in MDE, all parties have used a day of their admission to enter the parks, and they are not violating any rules at all by using this function. If Disney did not want this functionality then why build it in in the first place? You don't have to hand off the physical MB to use the FP+ under current disney rules. It's not an "old trick" but a legitimate use of the "change party" function that I'm sure Disney spent quite a bit of money developing and implementing as a feature of MDE.

That said I sometimes use my kid's MB to unlock my door because I am holding it in my right hand after he has fidgeted it off at the end of the day. I hope the Disney police don't come get me!

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

You may want to read the following, from the Disney site FAQ:



I wouldn't risk any of the old "tricks", until these new enforcements have been in place for some time.

There is currently no risk in the situation @CMNJ described above. If it would make you feel more comfortable, you could transfer those unused FP to the family members that are still in the park rather than switching MBs. Again, I am commenting only on the exact situation that was in question. If family members enter the park then decide to leave and want their family members that choose to remain in the park to use their FPs.

There are only 2 ways this would not be possible in the future.

1. Fingerprint scans at all FP attractions entries. (Which would slow down the FP lines to the same snails-pace as the front gate)

2. If Disney began to require guests to "scan out" when exiting the parks. (Never gonna happen because they have no right to stop a law-abiding citizen from leaving the park in the event they lose their MB)

I suppose a third way would be if MBs were geo-tracked and the system could identify the guest left the park and is physically outside walls/fences of any given park. But in reality this would never work because many, many people have multiple MBs assigned to the same profile for various reasons. Some collect them, some have a special holiday MB they wear during the holiday season, some have multiple MBs from previous trips still attached to their profile.

So yes I believe what @CMNJ described is perfectly ok to do.

 

[fan1080]

If using change party function is allowed, agreed.

Just wanted to point out that WDW TOS (rules) do not allow the use of someone else's MB.

Happy travels.

 

[mom2rtk]

There is currently no risk in the situation @CMNJ described above. If it would make you feel more comfortable, you could transfer those unused FP to the family members that are still in the park rather than switching MBs. Again, I am commenting only on the exact situation that was in question. If family members enter the park then decide to leave and want their family members that choose to remain in the park to use their FPs.

There are only 2 ways this would not be possible in the future.

1. Fingerprint scans at all FP attractions entries. (Which would slow down the FP lines to the same snails-pace as the front gate)

2. If Disney began to require guests to "scan out" when exiting the parks.

I suppose a third way would be if MBs were geo-tracked and the system could identify the guest left the park and is physically outside walls/fences of any given park. But in reality this would never work because many, many people have multiple MBs assigned to the same profile for various reasons. Some collect them, some have a special holiday MB they wear during the holiday season, some have multiple MBs from previous trips still attached to their profile.

So yes I believe what @CMNJ described is perfectly ok to do.

Or Disney could choose to remove the "change party" function.

 

[Lisa F]

Or Disney could choose to remove the "change party" function.

they could also get rid of FP+ all together too and everyone waits in line like the good old days.

There are a lot of things they COULD do, I think we should probably discuss what HAS been done and not what they could possibly be done if you ran disney It just kind of muddies the waters and make people worry about things that are not a reality.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

Or Disney could choose to remove the "change party" function.

In my humble opinion that probably won't happen. What if the parents of a napping child in a stroller wants to trade FPs with their older sibling that has one reserved later in the day when they will be awake from their nap. I know, this is just a silly example. But there are many valid reasons why someone would want to change party that are more serious and sensitive than the one I described above.

 

[mom2rtk]

In my humble opinion that probably won't happen. What if the parents of a napping child in a stroller wants to trade FPs with their older sibling that has one reserved later in the day when they will be awake from their nap. I know, this is just a silly example. But there are many valid reasons why someone would want to change party that are more serious and sensitive than the one I described above.

I have no issue with this scenario. But then they need to not let FPs be changed between parties unless both bands have been used to enter a park.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

If using change party function is allowed, agreed.

Just wanted to point out that WDW TOS does not allow the use of someone else's MB.

Happy travels.

That's questionable. I don't believe a FAQ response is the same as TOS. Now, whether it is allowed to be discussed on the board is different. It just needs to be consistent and not confusing. I know you aren't saying this, but it can't be OK to use other's bands in some cases and not others. It is either OK all the time or none of the time.

 

[AngiTN]

Considering the hoops you had to jump through before I think the numbers that did it were so small there will be negligible differences in the number of available FP on a given day.
Last week we got day of FP, when changing plans, for many high value rides, including 7DMT and FEA. Granted, we were only looking for 2 or 3 FP but they were there and not at all hard to find.
I also had no problems moving our FP around to better times.
All using our AP's we entered the parks with, nothing more.
I believe the entire extra FP abuse is extremely overblown.
You are not going to find a plethora of FP now
Just my opinion.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

I have no issue with this scenario. But then they need to not let FPs be changed between parties unless both bands have been used to enter a park.

Exactly the situation PP was describing when mentioning older family members that may wish to return to their resort before the rest of their family.

 

[Lisa F]

I have no issue with this scenario. But then they need to not let FPs be changed between parties unless both bands have been used to enter a park.

that is the scenario the original question was describing. all bands were used to enter a park.

 

[jas80]

I guess it's good that Disney is trying to do something about the loopholes, but I think the only people that WON'T be deterred by this solution are the unofficial tour guides who are profiting. This will only serve to put a small dent in their profits. Now they'll just have to purchase additional, legitimate APs, use those additional APs for actual entrance to the park, and they're right back where they started before the loopholes were closed.

At a cost of $650 per AP, if the guide is in the park 220 days per year, that's an incrimental cost of only about $3 per day for 3 additional FPs per day. A small cost to pass on to the clients.

 

[Lisa F]

Considering the hoops you had to jump through before I think the numbers that did it were so small there will be negligible differences in the number of available FP on a given day.
Last week we got day of FP, when changing plans, for many high value rides, including 7DMT and FEA. Granted, we were only looking for 2 or 3 FP but they were there and not at all hard to find.
I also had no problems moving our FP around to better times.
All using our AP's we entered the parks with, nothing more.
I believe the entire extra FP abuse is extremely overblown.
You are not going to find a plethora of FP now
Just my opinion.

it's interesting to see that point of reference vs reports about how many more FP+ are available now than before. I always travel in a party of 2 as well... though I have never seen 7DMT or FEA day of... but that is because those are usually gone well before day of and have limited capacity (they added capacity at Soarin' and TSMM and now those are often available day of). Then again first week of december last year was WAY busier than I remember it being. Honestly if they could stuff the discussion about how awesome it is go to during that time back in the bag I'd appreciate it so it can go back to being quiet at the parks but all of the xmas stuff going on! That was a bigger impact on my trip than anything! darn internet!

 

[AngiTN]

I posted in the news round up thread and I will chime in here. I have never gotten more than a 4th FP and it usually wasn't a good one. Today we had 7! It was great! They were:
1. Star tours
2. TSMM
3. ToT
4. Little mermaid
5. Splash
6. Pirates
7. Small world

Sure some of those don't need a FP, however the shortest standby line of those attractionswas 30 minutes and bypassing even a 20-30 minute line helped us cover a lot of ground today. It seemed to make a difference.

Also, MDE has been very glitchy even at guest services. We added a MM using a military discount and it took 3 seperate trips to guest services to fix it. It kept disappearing from the app.

I got additional FP for all those rides last week

 

[AngiTN]

I guess it's good that Disney is trying to do something about the loopholes, but I think the only people that WON'T be deterred by this solution are the unofficial tour guides who are profiting. This will only serve to put a small dent in their profits. Now they'll just have to purchase additional, legitimate APs, use those additional APs for actual entrance to the park, and they're right back where they started before the loopholes were closed.

At a cost of $650 per AP, if the guide is in the park 220 days per year, that's an incrimental cost of only about $3 per day for 3 additional FPs per day. A small cost to pass on to the clients.

How would that work though? I can't see how these unofficial guides could do this. For themselves, sure. But not for clients.

 

[Gentry2004]

How would an unoffical tour guide use more than one AP/finger scan to enter the park? The CM is not going to let them just stand there and scan multiple bands for only 1 person.