AT&T becomes official wireless network of WDW

1) OH, NO !
2) Not fond at AT&T.
3) Besides, we get a substantial Disney discount for using Verizon !
. . . two phones
. . . 550-minutes of monthly phone calls
. . . all the normal service goodies, like data & texting
. . . under $40/month, excluding taxes
4) I hope the verizon discount doesn't disappear !
 
Maybe you'll get an AT&T discount Rusty.
 
Perhaps this means I'll have an easier time staying connected to wifi while in the parks and at the resort. It was nice to finally have wifi last year, but coverage was intermittent at best.
 
Perhaps this means I'll have an easier time staying connected to wifi while in the parks and at the resort. It was nice to finally have wifi last year, but coverage was intermittent at best.

I'm not sure this will do anything for wifi. I read it as being related to the cellular network.
 
I'm not sure this will do anything for wifi. I read it as being related to the cellular network.

Although I didn't immediately get that point, I wouldn't be surprised if it also impacted their park/resort wireless deployment. AT&T uses wireless access points throughout my area to reduce 3G/4G traffic. If they have a huge deployment of smart devices, they will likely want to mitigate the cellular data traffic with APs.
Since I have AT&T myself, it is very likely that I would have access to such APs.
 
Will not affect the "Wi-FI" as these are cellular based nodes. Small cells are low-powered radio access nodes that operate in licensed and unlicensed spectrum that have a range of 10 meters to 1 or 2 kilometers, compared to a mobile macrocell which might have a range of a few tens of kilometres. With mobile operators struggling to support the growth in mobile data traffic, many are using Mobile data offloading as a more efficient use of radio spectrum. Small cells are a vital element to 3G data off-loading, and many mobile network operators see small cells as vital to managing LTE Advanced spectrum more efficiently compared to using just macrocells.
 
Here is info on the DAS...

Here is the Press Release from when Crown Castle installed the DAS into the Amway Center...


Press Release
Crown Castle Deploys Distributed Antenna System at Amway Center
Enhances Wireless Coverage at Games and Events
HOUSTON, Mar 24, 2011

Crown Castle International Corp. (NYSE:CCI) today announced that one of its subsidiaries has deployed a neutral host distributed antenna system ("DAS") to facilitate wireless communication services to all 875,000 square feet of the Amway Center in Orlando, Florida. The system is expected to provide enhanced wireless voice and data coverage for up to five wireless carriers.

"Fans attending major sporting events and concerts want to share their experience and stay connected via their mobile devices by sharing calls, texts and photos with friends and family across the country before, during and after events at the center," said Pat Slowey, Crown Castle's Senior Vice President -- Sales and Customer Relations. "For venues looking to provide wireless coverage on game day or during other events, a DAS network provides the optimal wireless infrastructure solution."

The new Amway Center features eight levels, five public concourses, and can seat up to 20,000 people. To provide enhanced wireless coverage for fans and staff throughout the Amway Center, an indoor DAS network was deployed. The system is comprised of antennas connected by fiber to a communications hub designed to facilitate wireless communications for multiple carriers.

"The Amway Center is revolutionizing the way fans watch a live basketball game or concert," said Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer. "The building is the most technologically advanced center in the country, featuring more than 1,100 high-definition television screens and a state-of-the-art digital signage network throughout the building, which maximizes fan engagement and interaction and provides patron information. The additional wireless coverage provided by the DAS network will further enhance our attendees' experiences."

"Crown Castle is a pioneer in the design, deployment and monitoring of neutral host DAS networks. As a leading provider of shared wireless infrastructure in the US, Crown Castle has long term relationships with all major wireless carriers," stated Jim Young, Crown Castle's Chief Operating Officer. "We work directly with the carriers to lease capacity on the system, enabling the venue owner to enjoy incremental revenue without the burden of coordinating deployment, installation, and maintenance of the system. More importantly, the venue can deliver one of their primary objectives, ensuring a superb wireless experience for fans at the venue before, during and after an event."

About Crown Castle

Crown Castle owns, operates, and leases towers and other infrastructure for wireless communications. Crown Castle offers significant wireless communications coverage to 92 of the top 100 US markets and to substantially all of the Australian population. Crown Castle owns, operates, and manages over 22,000 and approximately 1,600 wireless communication sites in the US and Australia, respectively.

About the Amway Center

The Orlando Magic served as the developer of the Amway Center, which will host major national events, concerts and family shows. Opened in the fall of 2010, the facility is owned and operated by the City of Orlando on behalf of the Central Florida Community. The Amway Center was designed to reflect the character of the community, meet the goals of the users and build on the legacy of sports and entertainment in Orlando. The building features a sustainable, environmentally-friendly design and unmatched technology that provides fans with extraordinary access to event coverage both inside and outside the arena.



Now, time to inject some 802.11 RF theory into this.

There are only 3 clean channels in 2.4ghz 1, 6, & 11. There are many more available "clean" channels in 5ghz.

The ideal number of machines per Access Point in 15 on 802.11g (anything more and your speed decreases exponentially).

The tolerances for 802.11a/n are much higher, but 2.4ghz is the wireless sewer. Now, bring a DAS into place. The Distributed Antenna System, has to be able to connect to multiple available radio channels and Radios in the Targeted Areas. Expecting 802.11g/n to work everywhere is setting yourself up for severe disappointment. I think we need to wait and see what the Crown Castle is really installing. This may be just cellular enhancement. Remember, Nextel's IDEN infrastructure is going "bye-bye" and all of WDW uses that as their Radio service. They have to enhance the Sprint PCS Signal and the new 860mhz Signals into the WDW area to provide seamless radio communications.

Last year WDW started working with Sprint to phase out their Nextels starting in 2012. I think this DAS infrastructure is to support that initiative. If they decide to layer Wi-Fi on-top, then that is just the cherry. BUT, and that is a big BUT, do not expect it to work worth a crap! There is a Distributed Antenna System on each of the DCL ships, and that Wifi stinks. (Not to be confused with the internet service, which is also not great because it is on VSAT).

Here is a release on a system they installed for a 16 sq mile city. This system is for cellular only.



Crown Castle Announces Distributed Antenna System in Paradise Valley, Arizona

Network to Enhance Wireless Coverage in Residential Community
HOUSTON, Mar 30, 2011 (GlobeNewswire via COMTEX) --

Crown Castle International Corp. (NYSE:CCI) today announced that one of its subsidiaries has completed construction of a distributed antenna system (DAS) to facilitate wireless communications services in Paradise Valley, Arizona. The community near Phoenix approved a DAS wireless solution in order to provide enhanced wireless coverage, preserve the town's aesthetics, and accommodate multiple wireless carriers. The Paradise Valley DAS network provides wireless coverage for residents and first responders throughout the 16 square mile community. AT&T Mobility is the first wireless provider to utilize the DAS network, and the network has the capacity to support up to four additional carriers.

Working with town leaders and citizens, Crown Castle designed and constructed a forty-two node outdoor DAS system for the town. The system utilizes three streetlights, two traffic signals, and thirty-seven faux cacti to conceal wireless antennae and equipment.

"Crown Castle worked closely with the town council and residents to develop a wireless solution that would satisfy coverage demands and preserve the aesthetics of Paradise Valley," stated Mike Kavanagh, President -- DAS for Crown Castle. "Crown Castle invested a lot of time in public outreach in order to educate residents about DAS and to collect their input on what the system's components should look like and where they should be located. As a result of the public outreach campaign, the town leaders approved the DAS network, allowing construction to begin without delay."

"Our town government is dedicated to preserving the residential character of the community. The town's residents expect ubiquitous wireless service, but not at the expense of changing the peaceful, quiet surroundings of the town," said Scott LeMarr, Mayor of Paradise Valley. "With Crown Castle we found a company that recognized the special character of our town and that developed a design solution that preserved the town's aesthetics while providing great wireless coverage."

The town of Paradise Valley, Crown Castle and AT&T Mobility will celebrate the new DAS network at a Ribbon Cutting Ceremony on Wednesday, March 30th at 10:00 AM (PDT) at the Police Department Auditorium on the Town Hall Campus. Paradise Valley's mayor and council members, as well as representatives of Crown Castle and AT&T Mobility, will "flip the switch" to activate the DAS network.​


After looking through some additional docs, I really doubt this is for wifi and is strictly for Cellular Carrier Enhancement.

It also looks like Disney is having this installed at Disneyland also.

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It looks like the radios are only compatible with Cellular carriers as indicated in this radio requirement by the city of Orlando. I would have figured they would have also used this for the Public Safety Radio system as well, but I guess not.

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Maybe you'll get an AT&T discount Rusty.

You will...

Corporate discounts that service both Verizon and AT&T are usually identical.

AT&T has better plans now in nj and there service is exactly the same (i have an iPhone on both)

Verizon has gotten turdy In recent years... They've taken on a "you're bill is going up... Like it or not" approach...so I just walked next door and transferred the numbers in 15 minutes flat.

Same price and service... Just tired of getting peed on by TV, Internet, and phone providers who get 2K a year from me with no maintenance and can't be bothered to talk.
 
Perhaps this means I'll have an easier time staying connected to wifi while in the parks and at the resort. It was nice to finally have wifi last year, but coverage was intermittent at best.

It sucks...
Disney isn't close to techno wizards.
They do pay the most for it though..and pass along the costs
 
You will...

Corporate discounts that service both Verizon and AT&T are usually identical.

AT&T has better plans now in nj and there service is exactly the same (i have an iPhone on both)

Verizon has gotten turdy In recent years... They've taken on a "you're bill is going up... Like it or not" approach...so I just walked next door and transferred the numbers in 15 minutes flat.

Same price and service... Just tired of getting peed on by TV, Internet, and phone providers who get 2K a year from me with no maintenance and can't be bothered to talk.

Every carrier has their highs and lows. I'm in the process of closing down a business account I've had with AT&T for years. They mistakenly closed our business account earlier this year, and it took them close to 48 hrs. to restore 12 lines and eliminate all of the glitches. A request for compensation for disruption of business and added costs for disposable cell phones in the interim was met with comedy. I took my business elsewhere. In all of the years I had service with Cingular and then AT&T I had never missed a payment, been late, or paid less than the entire amount due.

By the time someone contacted me to try and retain my business I'd already signed a contract and started the migration process.

As a AT&T Uverse data subscriber (It's the best broadband option available for the home office) I still have access to AT&T hotspots, and will suck as much data as I can without guilt when traveling. :joker:
 
I wonder if this will affect Disney's MobileMagic app. It was only available on Verizon. I don't know if that's still the case or not. If it is, does that mean that it would only work with and AT&T phone?
 
I wonder if this will affect Disney's MobileMagic app. It was only available on Verizon. I don't know if that's still the case or not. If it is, does that mean that it would only work with and AT&T phone?

Probably not. The Mobile Magic app is being replaced with the My Disney Experience app which will be available on all platforms, regardless of carrier. Mobile magic was released in a time before the OS specific app stores we have today. Regardless, Disney using AT&T for wifi at WDW wouldn't (well, shouldn't) affect a separate carrier agreement for an app.

I don't care for AT&T personally, but their public wifi operations do seem to function a lot better than their mobile services. As long as it works ill be satisfied.
 

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