Pyotr
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Which leads to the question what percentage of these people were tested due to presenting with symptoms? What percentage were tested via surveillance testing?
It’s the increase of tests at the colleges.
Which leads to the question what percentage of these people were tested due to presenting with symptoms? What percentage were tested via surveillance testing?
Not if it is because more people are actually contracting and getting sick from the disease. I am all for doing as much surveillance testing as possible. As that is one of the ways to STOP the spread. Test and isolate.
I understand what you mean. I just think that supplies were so backlogged that whatever new ones came along just filled in a lot of holes and leaders and administrators went all Rambo to try to fill their own supplies, which is why we still have some shortages. I don’t think that it’s that they’re not being manufactured. I could be wrong but taking this from the many things I’ve read about the issue (since it impacted me personally). ETA the world is a very big place with everyone vying for the same thing. I don’t think we’ve really seen the likes of this before; maybe a long time ago under different circumstances.I hear you, it's been a terrible ordeal for everyone trying to care for people, I can't imagine how heartbreaking it's been for caregivers.
I am up to speed with what you describe, the point where I am stumped is wondering why the market hasn't corrected itself yet? Market forces are swift and with so much pent up demand for a N95's and so many idle hands (out of work) not making money the market forces should inspire those idle hands to whittle away at these masks, creating the supply in order to earn until we get back to equilibrium. I'm not saying that supply should be taken from medical workers, I get that the new stockpiles need to be filled, what I am saying is there should be so many N95 manufacturing plants popping up all over the place that we are swimming in masks and rationing is unnecessary, really the same is true for disinfectants and such. The fact this happened yet is extraordinarily odd in a free market economy.
I hear you, it's been a terrible ordeal for everyone trying to care for people, I can't imagine how heartbreaking it's been for caregivers.
I am up to speed with what you describe, the point where I am stumped is wondering why the market hasn't corrected itself yet? Market forces are swift and with so much pent up demand for a N95's and so many idle hands (out of work) not making money the market forces should inspire those idle hands to whittle away at these masks, creating the supply in order to earn until we get back to equilibrium. I'm not saying that supply should be taken from medical workers, I get that the new stockpiles need to be filled, what I am saying is there should be so many N95 manufacturing plants popping up all over the place that we are swimming in masks and rationing is unnecessary, really the same is true for disinfectants and such. The fact this happened yet is extraordinarily odd in a free market economy.
I read into this early on, a manufacturing device needs to be able to spin the material down into a fine enough thread and then weave it tightly enough to create the appropriate barrier to be called N95 so it's not easy. Still, if we have at home laser printers which can whip up just about anything how is it we don't have modified laser printers making masks? Fairly certain the masks are made from petroleum based material so a check for that too with domestic supply so it just doesn't compute. The only thing left is investment dollars that can come from loans, and this is a sure thing so it's still weird.https://apnews.com/1295eae6f73d1870a23cb8e2cb66ad05
Besides raw material concerns, making masks also requires investment.
With enough money, I believe most things are possible. But, intricate and specific machines are not cheap.I read into this early on, a manufacturing device needs to be able to spin the material down into a fine enough thread and then weave it tightly enough to create the appropriate barrier to be called N95 so it's not easy. Still, if we have at home laser printers which can whip up just about anything how is it we don't have modified laser printers making masks? Fairly certain the masks are made from petroleum based material so a check for that too with domestic supply so it just doesn't compute. The only thing left is investment dollars that can come from loans, and this is a sure thing so it's still weird.
At any rate, it seems lots of people are getting vaccinated so fingers crossed this year we'll have less everything.
It depends on what you read:With enough money, I believe most things are possible. But, intricate and specific machines are not cheap.
Businesses up- and downstream do not invest in assets that they cannot envision providing a return in perpetuity.
As the article noted, where is that investment from the government?
Yes, however in order to understand what’s happened, we need to know the history. Some of the articles posted seemed to have a short memory.^^ That article is from April and a lot has changed since then. Paying a premium for a product is different from the other prior comment about investing in tooling/equipment to expand the manufacturing capability of a product on an ongoing basis. Complex manufacturing capital equipment can have a leadtime measured in months (or longer).
More tests will ALWAYS be better. Ideally every man, woman, and child would get tested at least multiple times a week, if not daily. I say that and I haven't had a test. In my "ideal" world, everyone gets a test daily. The results need come back within hours if not minutes.Not if it is because more people are actually contracting and getting sick from the disease. I am all for doing as much surveillance testing as possible. As that is one of the ways to STOP the spread. Test and isolate.
I agree that we need more surveillance testing. That is the only way to catch asymptomatic carriers and isolate them.More tests will ALWAYS be better. Ideally every man, woman, and child would get tested at least multiple times a week, if not daily. I say that and I haven't had a test. In my "ideal" world, everyone gets a test daily. The results need come back within hours if not minutes.
I agree that we need more surveillance testing. That is the only way to catch asymptomatic carriers and isolate them.
I know in my county when an asymptomatic person tests positive they isolate for 10 days from the date of the test the same as if one had symptoms and tests positive.I haven't read a lot about the asymptomatic carriers so this isn't directed just to you, Christa, but how long do "we" isolate asymptomatic carriers? In other words are they only carriers for a couple of weeks??? I can't see isolating these people for much longer........unless of course there is a vaccine.
Our way of testing is a lot different than it was in the beginning and even the middle. Unfortunately because of that it becomes very difficult to get out of that mindset. Even if 1 million people are tested and more people than the day before are seeking out tests because they have symptoms and thus are included in that 1 million amount it will still be better that we are testing them in the first place, that we have enough tests to test them. We need more 1 million days, we need months IMO of 1 million days (or at least high up there consistent numbers).Not if it is because more people are actually contracting and getting sick from the disease. I am all for doing as much surveillance testing as possible. As that is one of the ways to STOP the spread. Test and isolate.
In August and into September there are for sure testing increases there and at the lower education level. If you have various colleges around having testing mandatory you're going to be conducting thousands to tens of thousands of tests multiplied by how many colleges are doing. I'm very thankful we have this capacity to even think to do this I just wish we had this capacity back in June when it seems many places were starting to really open up.It’s the increase of tests at the colleges.
I know in my county when an asymptomatic person tests positive they isolate for 10 days from the date of the test the same as if one had symptoms and tests positive.
And then that said person isn't asymptomatic or I guess I should say a carrier anymore??
After 10 days that person is no longer considered contagious.