Disney Genie announcement

I will preface this with stating that I don’t like this one bit.

BUT….I’m trying to look at it from a different angle.

Ok so it seems like the top top tier attractions won't be included with +. If I want to take a positive spin on this here it is. With fast pass+ , if you wanted to ride FOP and couldn't get a FP, you spent hours (2,3, sometimes 4?!) in an unmoving line, right?

During the time of no FP, the line moved. It was long, but it moved. 1-1.5 hrs?

If it were included in genie + which probably like 75% of people are going to pay for (based on zero facts), it wouldn't be quite as bad as FP+ times, but would be close.

With that NOT included in genie plus, you're hopefully drastically reducing the number of people you are accommodating via Lightning Lane keeping it as close to a level playing field as possible and closer to a moving line.

Also, although they did say the individual pricing would limit you to 1 or 2 ‘most popular attractions’ per day, it didn’t necessarily say that there are more than 1 of these in each park. They made a point to say you can reserve these at different parks on the same day. You could make the argument that the only rides on that list might be :

Flight of Passage
Rise of the Resistance
Ratatouille
7 Dwarves Mine Train

I think it’s unlikely that they would limit it to this list, but I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if they didn’t expand it much beyond it.

Just a bunch of speculative thoughts from my overactive Disbrain, filling in the holes that their lack of detail left.

This is kind of where my head went as well after reading through this thread and watching some of the Touring Plans response to this news. For the Tier 1, Lightning Lane purchase only rides like 7DMT the question is what percentage of the queue is available (compared to current Fast Pass levels) and how much it is utilized. If it's the current level (Touring Plans was estimating 75-80%) and fully utilized then it's the same long line as it is currently without the previous option of getting a FP unless I want to pay more (BOO! bash). BUT if the number of FP equivalent slots is lower or not fully utilized then the standby line should be shorter.

Additionally, if Genie+ is pushing people to other rides included in its list particularly at park open but also throughout the day that should also have an impact. The tier 1 rides still seems like a good rope drop option, particularly if you have the 30 minute Disney early morning as an onsite (or affiliated) guest. Say, you get in at 8:30 as on onsite guest and have a 9:00 park open lightning pass for Peter Pan... you should be able to clear 7DMT and get that 9:00 - 10:00 window for Peter Pan. But for offsite guests, are you going to take that gamble now or just go directly to Peter Pan and pick up your next lightning pass? Does that suppress the rope drop line? And then if more guests are even just using vanilla Genie (versus butterscotch maple Genie+) it's going to be pushing them around the parks in different ways, at what point does it say "120 minute wait for 7DMT, you should get on that" and expect guests to accept that with a straight face.

Long winded way of saying, it's hard for me to see (though to be fair, I do wear glasses) a situation where the number of purchased lightning passes for those Tier 1 rides like 7DMT is equal to the previous level of free fast passes that were picked up which should result in faster standby lines for those rides.

I do think the list of Tier 1 rides is going to be more than just one per park though:
AK: Flight of Passage, ??? okay - already stumped me on the first park, for a second ride - Festival of the Lion King? Expedition Everest?
HS: Rise of the Resistance, Slinky Dog Dash
Epcot: Ratatouille, Frozen (sub out for Cosmic Rewind when it comes on line)
MK: 7 Dwarves Mine Train, Space/Splash Mountain (seasonal substitution? sub out for Tron when it comes on line)

A couple funny things with that (less ha-ha funny and more hmm funny) is that now you're pulling a chunk of what used to be fast pass slots out of the system. Do shows end up in Genie+ when they return? Do they make sense to use a lightning pass on? Overall, it seems like there are going to be fewer fast pass equivalent slots in the system and some weird value decisions (is a lightning lane for Mad Tea Party 30 minutes from now greater/equal/less value than one for Haunted Mansion 90 minutes from now?).

A lot of the cost arguments are treating this as an all or nothing proposition as well, family of 4 for 5 days equals an extra $300 dollars but does Genie+ make sense in all the parks? I can see it's value in MK or HS but it seems a bit dodgy in Epcot and AK. If you're going to be doing standby for FOP in AK anyways (an extra $$$ to skip the line or suck it up buttercup(s) and we'll get ice cream after) you can probably navigate the rest of the park with some longer waits but trails and train rides as wait time pressure releases and similarly in Epcot you can focus your energy on getting the Ratatouille virtual queue while the butterscotch maple Genie+ users are scrambling to get Spaceship Earth lightning passes at 7 AM. Again, it's still an extra cost even if you just use it for MK and HS but, oh... to be in the meeting when they go over Genie+ adoption rates at different parks, that will be interesting. I think they are drawing on the Max Pass experience from Disneyland and perhaps forgetting the way the proximity of the parks to each other there contributed to its success. If I can split out days where I don't need it ("We spend most of our Epcot day in World Showcase", "We just want to hit Hollywood Studios in the morning to walk around Galaxy's Edge while we wait for our ROTR boarding group and then have a pool day", "Kids, it's time you learned an important lesson about how cruel and unforgiving the world can be... we're going to the Magic Kingdom and not using any lightning passes today.") from the days where it would be a benefit ("Sorry about yesterday kids, let's try this Genie+ thing at Magic Kingdom today") then maybe it's a bit less of an additional charge (still... an additional charge so... we're back to BOO! bash).
 
Sorry if already asked but can you do both Genie+ and individual headliners at same time? Can you have genie+ ride booked and an individual E-ticket ride booked simultaneously?
They are individual optional add-ons. You can do one or the other or both. So yes, you can have a G+ and $LL (up to 2) at the same time.
 
I do think the list of Tier 1 rides is going to be more than just one per park though:
AK: Flight of Passage, ??? okay - already stumped me on the first park, for a second ride - Festival of the Lion King? Expedition Everest?
HS: Rise of the Resistance, Slinky Dog Dash
Epcot: Ratatouille, Frozen (sub out for Cosmic Rewind when it comes on line)
MK: 7 Dwarves Mine Train, Space/Splash Mountain (seasonal substitution? sub out for Tron when it comes on line)
If AK has more than one Tier 1 (and I would question that), I'd bet it'd be Safaris. (Two years ago, it would have been Navi River Journey.)

MK is a tough one. 7DMT is obvious, but I can't imagine that any of the other rides really rise to that level. It's one of the main problems that the MK has had - almost everything in the park is (very) old. (In the FP+ era, it was the only park where all of the rides were treated equally.)

The real question is how far they go with Tier 1. In the FP+ era, DHS had by far the most top-tier rides - there's an argument that they could throw MMRR and/or ToT in there, just at a lower price threshold than ROTR. (I'm gently skeptical of that, if only because they didn't throw MF:SR in there.)
 
Literally the opposite of socialism, but go off... lol.
I shall, I mean in terms of the tiers. There are different forms of socialism and differs models behind each. What this adds after the resort tiers, dining tiers, vip tiers is now a ride tier. Maybe you prefer caste system?
 


YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! id like to ask who ever came up with this how they intend on selling this to international guests? Most of us book 2 weeks onsite....... 2 weeks of upcharge or 2 weeks of utter hell in lines. Well in Disney well in.

Im up at 6am crunching numbers, moving offsite will save me £1300 enough to drive in pay for few of these things and still pay for seaworld and Uni. I will miss Disney it gave me and family memories of a life time but enough is enough.
 
I did something today I’ve never done before:

I was researching rooms and tickets at Universal.
I wish people wouldn't say this every time Disney does something they don't like. (And you're allowed to not like this.)


Universal's Express Pass is a much more expensive version of what people are mostly complaining about here.

It's not like Universal's immune from this kind of behavior. For example, if you buy a Universal AP, you still have to pay for parking on the first visit (unless you go after 6pm).

(And I'll gently nudge that the two most recent ride additions at USP are two of the worst theme park rides of the last thirty years.)


EDIT: USP is just Universal Studios Park, UO is the entire resort. I was specifically referring to Fast & Furious and Fallon.
 
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I shall, I mean in terms of the tiers. There are different forms of socialism and differs models behind each. What this adds after the resort tiers, dining tiers, vip tiers is now a ride tier. Maybe you prefer caste system?
But that's not socialism. Socialism would be more like some people paying a little more for the Genie+ and everyone gets that distributed benefit. This is quite literally late stage capitalism, where those with money have access to buying out any competition- the competition in this case being anyone else who wants to enjoy an attraction at the same time.
 
I wish people wouldn't say this every time Disney does something they don't like. (And you're allowed to not like this.)


Universal's Express Pass is a much more expensive version of what people are mostly complaining about here.

It's not like Universal's immune from this kind of behavior. For example, if you buy a Universal AP, you still have to pay for parking on the first visit (unless you go after 6pm).

(And I'll gently nudge that the two most recent ride additions at USP are two of the worst theme park rides of the last thirty years.)

Yes if you purchase Express Pass on a busy day in a prime week it costs a lot. However you could also pay that fee(sometimes less) and get a night in one of their deluxe resorts and get unlimited express pass for your entire party for both your check in day and check out day. Plus, unlike Disney their deluxe resorts are truly deluxe and cost less and you're a short walk or boat ride away from the parks. You don't have to be on a schedule, you can ride all but 2 rides as many times as you want to or can with express and there is no stress of getting up early and scrambling for a reservation and you can park hop back and forth if you want. As for the 2 non-express rides, on busy days Hagrids runs a VQ(which even allows you to push back your return time if something happens and you might not make it) and Velocicoaster runs like a beast and churns through people pretty quickly. Plus they are so amazing even waiting for an hour for them is worth it and with the rest of the rides having express that time in line isn't going cause you to loose out on other attractions.

Universal Express is expensive compared to the Genie+ but it doesn't work like Genie+ at all. There is no scheduling, there is no other up charges and you are not limited in anyway other than with the 2 rides not on it. And like I said, you can get it for the whole family for two days with just a one night resort stay if you want.
 
But that's not socialism. Socialism would be more like some people paying a little more for the Genie+ and everyone gets that distributed benefit. This is quite literally late stage capitalism, where those with money have access to buying out any competition- the competition in this case being anyone else who wants to enjoy an attraction at the same time.
Or a little more for VIP tours. Like I said multiple forms of the very multiple definition of socialism. I’m speaking more to the larger various definitions and types. Either way, this system is a glorified money grab from Disney. 0 stars.
 
Universal's Express Pass is a much more expensive version of what people are mostly complaining about here.

You seem to be forgetting that Universals UNLIMITED Express Pass comes FREE to EVERY member in your hotel room if you stay at one of their Premier hotels. Mind you, I just paid $224 per night at one of their Premier Hotels (AP rate - reg rate was around $389 but STILL a deal) which came with an UNLIMITED Express Pass ($129 per person per day) for up to 5 people in our room for TWO DAYS (check in and check out days). Disney isn't even in the same league as this.
 
Ya know.. I am not going to go with the crowd here..
I’m excited for this. I think that given a chance this could really be something good.
Yes it’s an up charge and the “I’m tired of paying more for less” crowd are going to struggle..

but I think this will overall make a more enjoyable expirence in the parks and just like everything else we will learn to navigate and strategize it.
 
Ya know.. I am not going to go with the crowd here..
I’m excited for this. I think that given a chance this could really be something good.
Yes it’s an up charge and the “I’m tired of paying more for less” crowd are going to struggle..

but I think this will overall make a more enjoyable expirence in the parks and just like everything else we will learn to navigate and strategize it.

The only way this is more enjoyable is if your willing to throw sums of cash at the mouse. Im sure for some this will be a dream come true no more lines ever again and that is totally fine. The question is are there enough people willing to do it or will the standby lines become stupidly long?
 
The only way this is more enjoyable is if your willing to throw sums of cash at the mouse. Im sure for some this will be a dream come true no more lines ever again and that is totally fine. The question is are there enough people willing to do it or will the standby lines become stupidly long?

I think I have an easier time of it because we started as Disneyland goers and maxpass was just part of our budget and actually disliked fastpass plus.
 
I think I have an easier time of it because we started as Disneyland goers and maxpass was just part of our budget and actually disliked fastpass plus.


Thats a good point, id guess that first timers to will just see as part of the budget not knowing any different.

Different note i wonder how long they leave the comments on the youtube videos, they are getting roasted and notched up 1.5k dislikes already
 
Sorry Disney, as an international guest, I will not be paying for any of these new amazing "benefits". Our next trip is a little over two weeks staying on-site next spring. Usually we get up for park opening and are on our way back to the hotel by lunchtime. Getting long multi-day passes we are paying much less for park entry (around $80 per day). I doubt if we will use the free planner feature either. We will see how things pan out using our usual strategy of early rising and getting as much done as possible still works for us. If it doesn't (but I expect it will) then it may be Disney is over for us. We are lucky that there isn't any "must do" ride for us after quite a lot of vacations. Basically we pass on any queue of more than 25 minutes. Star Wars is of little interest (so RoR is ho hum), Marvel of even less interest!!!

Perhaps this is an alternative version of a rich individuals approach, but we don't feel that rich. Because of the distance to travel we go to WDW about once every couple of years. Although my wife and I have done a couple of short trips backed onto a cruise (7-day with DCL or a couple of weeks with Celebrity). Up until now UK guests have had pretty good deals for our longer vacations: 14 day tickets for the price of 7 day, free Memory Maker plus a Disney Gift Card, etc. The US travel agent we use for DCL opening day bookings has always said she can't match the UK deals! I guess we may be lucky? It still isn't cheap!!
 
Sorry Disney, as an international guest, I will not be paying for any of these new amazing "benefits". Our next trip is a little over two weeks staying on-site next spring. Usually we get up for park opening and are on our way back to the hotel by lunchtime. Getting long multi-day passes we are paying much less for park entry (around $80 per day). I doubt if we will use the free planner feature either. We will see how things pan out using our usual strategy of early rising and getting as much done as possible still works for us. If it doesn't (but I expect it will) then it may be Disney is over for us. We are lucky that there isn't any "must do" ride for us after quite a lot of vacations. Basically we pass on any queue of more than 25 minutes. Star Wars is of little interest (so RoR is ho hum), Marvel of even less interest!!!

Perhaps this is an alternative version of a rich individuals approach, but we don't feel that rich. Because of the distance to travel we go to WDW about once every couple of years. Although my wife and I have done a couple of short trips backed onto a cruise (7-day with DCL or a couple of weeks with Celebrity). Up until now UK guests have had pretty good deals for our longer vacations: 14 day tickets for the price of 7 day, free Memory Maker plus a Disney Gift Card, etc. The US travel agent we use for DCL opening day bookings has always said she can't match the UK deals! I guess we may be lucky? It still isn't cheap!!


Stuck in the same boat, im blindly holding out hope we get free Genie + with our 14 day tickets....but i dont hold alot of hope
 
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As an international solo visitor to Disneyland California I am actually excited and loving this.

I never used Maxpass as there was a free alternative which worked just as well. But now that its all paid, I am fine paying the extra $20 per day.

I am banned by a Presidential Executive Order from entering USA and my last visit was June 2019. I already have park tickets from my cancelled June 2020 trip, so basically on my next visit I will only have to pay an extra $20 per day.

Due to travel and other Covid restrictions in my country, I still have the money I had saved for my cancelled June 2020 visit. My financial situation has actually benefited from Covid, as I have worked all the way through but have had to cancel all travel and my day to day spending has been reduced. Therefore for my next Disneyland trip I am in a far better financial position than on any of my previous trips.

I know that I am a very different type of park visitor than most here on Diss, but I'm sure there are a lot like me, people who due to Covid have huge pent up demand AND are in a better financial position.

I know I am in a very lucky position to be part of the upper section of the "K-shaped economic recovery" I also work in the tech and internet industry where during Covid my job has been to help my clients pivot their business to eCommerce and mobile first, so I am excited to experience all the new tech experiences at Disneyland.

I guess maybe I have a different outlook as being able to keep up with and adapt to the rapidly changing tech and internet industry is part of my job The changes that Disney is making excite me, as I get to experience what a high end company can do when they have the huge resources that Disney have.

I am not resistant to change, I embrace it. To just get to Disneyland cost me over $2000, thats just flights and hotel, so the pay per ride system is not really a big expense to me.

This new change is the natural ebb and flow of the customer lifecycle.

For every family that has been going to Disneyland for the last 20 to 30 years that is priced out, there will be the new family that starts going to Disneyland.

Having been at the front of helping business survive Covid over the last 18 months, the way to survive is get rid of the fuzzy feel good and just concentrate on making money any way how. Yes I know this will anger many here on the Dis but thats the way it is now.

Disney don't care WHO is in the parks as long as people ARE in the parks.

Disney don't care that your family has been going to the parks for the last 20 to 30 years and now feel slighted that things have changed and its not YOUR Disney parks experience any more.

They will move forward and change things and its up to you whether you stay stuck in the past and resist the change and not go to the parks or whether you embrace the change, and enjoy the new Disney Parks experience.

I'm sure if you go back through the years on Dis, you will find the same types of discussions when Maxpass started, when Galaxys Edge was announced, when Carsland was announced, when Disney changed to making restaurant reservations through the website and App, when the dining packages with the exclusive viewing areas for Fantasmic and World of Colour were first announced.

Its all a cycle. People get used to THEIR way of experiencing Disney Parks, Disney as a company move forward with technology and new ideas, people complain and say they are done with Disney, the new changes become normal and accepted, and the cycle starts again, >>>>People get used to THEIR way of experiencing Disney Parks........
 

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