Fantasy Springs opening date?

MrAlig

Earning My Ears
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May 3, 2021
Hi,

We are planning a trip to Japan in late June/early July 2023.

As far as I can see, Fantasy Springs is officially slated to open during OLC's fiscal year ended March 24, so any time between April 23 and March 24.

The 40th anniversary of the opening of Tokyo Disneyland is in April 2023, so I an wondering if this is the target opening date.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether Fantasy Springs will be open by summer 23? If not we might postpone the trip for a year.

Thanks
 
Work appears to be progressing nicely and it would be a logical assumption that that the new land would feature in the 40th anniversary. I had been working on that assumption for some time but we won't know until OLC release further info. In saying that, I am uncertain whether tourism in Japan in the first half of next year is feasible. Right now you can enter the country on approved tours which prevent you from autonomous sightseeing. It's very popular in Japan to keep foreigners out. Hopefully that situation changes but I, personally, have given up on the idea of April because there's too much uncertainty with their border situation and I needed to book something else. I may look at visiting later in the year when there is more chance of a semi-normal tourism situation.
 
I saw someone on WDWmagic post a picture from the walls of the construction site at Fantasy Springs and it says that the construction is scheduled to be finished September 30th, 2023. Not sure how true it is so take it with a grain of salt. I'll post it here in case anyone here can read Japanese.
 

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Yes. It says Reiwa 5 (2023) September 30. But you can see they've posted something over the date so it's already been adjusted before and there's a chance it can be adjusted again.
 


Thanks, I will maybe put the trip off until 2024 as I may as there will be more to see and I likely won't be back.
 
Just a little update.

We did go and loved Tokyo Disney, particularly DisneySea.I can see why people say it is the best park in the world. It is absolutely beautiful and there is already loads to do before the new areas open.

It was astonishingly cheap compared to the US parks. Park tickets and food were around half the price.

Queues were much shorter than they have been on our recent trips to Disneyworld. Rarely over half an hour. This may have been due to e timing the trip for weekdays outside of school holidays.

We stayed at the Miracosta, this is a beautiful and fantastically situated hotel. BUT I think it is worth pointing out that it other than the location and theming it is not a great hotel. In particular we had a few service issues and staff appear to be simultaneously very polite but actually unhelpful and badly informed We didn't get our room until 430pm, they appear to let no one check in before 3pm. The room bathroom was poor. The Wi-Fi was shockingly bad. The outdoor pool is only open from July 14th to late September, even though it was 30C when we were there in late June. I emailed to complain about the shortcomings and they didn't even bother with a cut and paste reply.
 
I agree that the food in TDR is cheap, especially with the cheap yen right now. But the US parks are just astonishingly expensive.

All of the Tokyo Disney hotels are annoying with check in like that and it's something you just have to put up with to get early entry into the park. Check in at Celebration is often a huge mess at night because so many people go there after their day in the parks.

Unfortunately, the lesson they'll learn from your email is likely that foreigners are bad customers and that it's potentially better to implement new measures to make it more difficult for foreigners to stay there. From a Japanese perspective, it seems like you didn't do your homework in understanding what you would get. There's this strong culture of it being the customer's responsibility to learn the systems that the company sets up even if they are somewhat unreasonable.

That's not to say that there is no way to ever get them to improve. This type of feedback would be better received in a situation such as if a CM asked how your stay was and you said you liked the stay but gently implied that your stay would be even better if the wifi were faster. Then in the next morning's meeting, the CM may mention that to a manager who may mention it to their manager and it eventually may get changed.
 


I did indeed distinctly get the impression that complaining about things was not on.

1. On arrival, we thought we would use the monorail to look around whilst we waited on our room. We were a bit surprised to find you had to pay for the monorail unlike in the US (apparently they only made this change at the end of March, I have not seen it mentioned anywhere). I didn't really mind paying as it was very cheap, but then they told us the ticket machines only accepted cash. This was the only place we found n our 12 day trip that did not accept credit cards. The staff at the monorail station said there was an ATM in the hotel and we could get cash there. So we went back to the hotel and asked where the ATM was and they said there wasn't one. I asked where the nearest one was and they said that there was one in the park or at the next monorail station. I said we needed cash to buy a monorail ticket and how could I do that if there was no ATM. At this point they were stumped and I asked to speak to a manager, which horrified them. They disappeared and after five minutes came back saying that they would escort us onto the monorail. This was in fairness a great solution. My later complaint was why did the monorail not take credit cards like even the smallest store in Japan and why was I directed to a non existent ATM by staff in the station attached to the hotel.

2. On the first day we wanted to buy post 5pm tickets for the park. Pre trip I had found we could buy tickets in the hotel. We went to the ticket desk in the hotel and they said to buy them on the app. I tried to buy them on the app and it failed every time. I tried six different credit cards Mastercard, Visa and Amex and none worked. I knew that there were sometimes payment issues but this seemed weird. It was made very frustrating by the slow Wi-Fi (I did have 4G available as back up). The speed was around 4Mbps and the latency was very high, 50-150ms. Also it was quite patchy and for example did not work in the restaurant and didn't work well everywhere in the room. In comparison we stayed in 4 Hilton group hotels on the rest of the trip and they all had over 100Mbps Wi-Fi. Anyway, after trying this I found a member of staff and asked if we could go to the gate and buy the evening tickets. they didn't know. They went away to speak to someone else and came back saying they couldn't find an answer. Eventually I found online that these tickets are only available on the app. I also found online that the app locks out foreign credit card holders from buying park tickets. I was able to buy Premier Access on the app. It seemed that buying park tickets was the issue. To get this fixed you have to call a phone line only open between 10am and 3pm (according to online commenters this was still not guaranteed to work). So we lost our first evening in the park and I was able to buy whole day tickets the rest of the trip at the desk.

So the staff did not know the issue with foreigners not being able to buy tickets in the app or where you could and could not buy specific tickets. They only sell a few kinds of ticket so why some are not available in the hotel escapes me.

3. The one that really annoyed me was check in. Frankly a lot of the issues seemed to stem from strict adherence to pointless rules. One of these is 3pm check in. I did not plan on early check in, but it would have been nice. No one was allowed to into rooms early. They took all your information and gave you a piece of paper to pick up your room key later. Fair enough, 3pm is check in. Except the piece of paper we got said we could pick our room key up at 430pm. So absolute strict adherence to the rule, unless of course it suits them to give you a worse service than the rule should provide. No apology or anything just tough. Apparently the lobby is a mess at 3pm. The rooms obviously aren't all ready simultaneously at 3pm so it would actually help the hotel to let people check in as rooms become free, reducing the 3pm bottleneck in the lobby.

4. I knew that they charge to use the pool facilities in Japan, it never occurred to me to check if it would actually be open in summer, in winter I would have checked. It wasn't a big deal that it wasn't open, but it was so bizarre I wanted to mention it to them. The hotel is full all year and full of kids, but both the indoor and outdoor pools are only open during the Japanese summer holidays. Hard luck if your country has holidays at a different date or you have young kids not at school or if you are just an adult who wants to use the pool.

As you say I really felt that as foreigners we were just a nuisance to them. Many of the rules seem to have been designed on the assumption that everyone is local and seem to have little logic behind them. From a business perspective this is not great as considering how cheap it is, and how great the parks are, they could massive ely increase the number of overseas visitors.
 
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This is way off topic now.

Anyway, I don't think that they want to massively increase overseas visitors. The primary audience for TDR is local Japanese people. Overseas visitors are a nice bonus.
 
Just a little update.

We did go and loved Tokyo Disney, particularly DisneySea.I can see why people say it is the best park in the world. It is absolutely beautiful and there is already loads to do before the new areas open.

It was astonishingly cheap compared to the US parks. Park tickets and food were around half the price.

Queues were much shorter than they have been on our recent trips to Disneyworld. Rarely over half an hour. This may have been due to e timing the trip for weekdays outside of school holidays.

We stayed at the Miracosta, this is a beautiful and fantastically situated hotel. BUT I think it is worth pointing out that it other than the location and theming it is not a great hotel. In particular we had a few service issues and staff appear to be simultaneously very polite but actually unhelpful and badly informed We didn't get our room until 430pm, they appear to let no one check in before 3pm. The room bathroom was poor. The Wi-Fi was shockingly bad. The outdoor pool is only open from July 14th to late September, even though it was 30C when we were there in late June. I emailed to complain about the shortcomings and they didn't even bother with a cut and paste reply.
Welcome to the world of Japanese customer service! Incredibly friendly and polite. Totally ineffective at any actual remedy or recompense!
 
I did indeed distinctly get the impression that complaining about things was not on.

1. On arrival, we thought we would use the monorail to look around whilst we waited on our room. We were a bit surprised to find you had to pay for the monorail unlike in the US (apparently they only made this change at the end of March, I have not seen it mentioned anywhere). I didn't really mind paying as it was very cheap, but then they told us the ticket machines only accepted cash. This was the only place we found n our 12 day trip that did not accept credit cards. The staff at the monorail station said there was an ATM in the hotel and we could get cash there. So we went back to the hotel and asked where the ATM was and they said there wasn't one. I asked where the nearest one was and they said that there was one in the park or at the next monorail station. I said we needed cash to buy a monorail ticket and how could I do that if there was no ATM. At this point they were stumped and I asked to speak to a manager, which horrified them. They disappeared and after five minutes came back saying that they would escort us onto the monorail. This was in fairness a great solution. My later complaint was why did the monorail not take credit cards like even the smallest store in Japan and why was I directed to a non existent ATM by staff in the station attached to the hotel.

2. On the first day we wanted to buy post 5pm tickets for the park. Pre trip I had found we could buy tickets in the hotel. We went to the ticket desk in the hotel and they said to buy them on the app. I tried to buy them on the app and it failed every time. I tried six different credit cards Mastercard, Visa and Amex and none worked. I knew that there were sometimes payment issues but this seemed weird. It was made very frustrating by the slow Wi-Fi (I did have 4G available as back up). The speed was around 4Mbps and the latency was very high, 50-150ms. Also it was quite patchy and for example did not work in the restaurant and didn't work well everywhere in the room. In comparison we stayed in 4 Hilton group hotels on the rest of the trip and they all had over 100Mbps Wi-Fi. Anyway, after trying this I found a member of staff and asked if we could go to the gate and buy the evening tickets. they didn't know. They went away to speak to someone else and came back saying they couldn't find an answer. Eventually I found online that these tickets are only available on the app. I also found online that the app locks out foreign credit card holders from buying park tickets. I was able to buy Premier Access on the app. It seemed that buying park tickets was the issue. To get this fixed you have to call a phone line only open between 10am and 3pm (according to online commenters this was still not guaranteed to work). So we lost our first evening in the park and I was able to buy whole day tickets the rest of the trip at the desk.

So the staff did not know the issue with foreigners not being able to buy tickets in the app or where you could and could not buy specific tickets. They only sell a few kinds of ticket so why some are not available in the hotel escapes me.

3. The one that really annoyed me was check in. Frankly a lot of the issues seemed to stem from strict adherence to pointless rules. One of these is 3pm check in. I did not plan on early check in, but it would have been nice. No one was allowed to into rooms early. They took all your information and gave you a piece of paper to pick up your room key later. Fair enough, 3pm is check in. Except the piece of paper we got said we could pick our room key up at 430pm. So absolute strict adherence to the rule, unless of course it suits them to give you a worse service than the rule should provide. No apology or anything just tough. Apparently the lobby is a mess at 3pm. The rooms obviously aren't all ready simultaneously at 3pm so it would actually help the hotel to let people check in as rooms become free, reducing the 3pm bottleneck in the lobby.

4. I knew that they charge to use the pool facilities in Japan, it never occurred to me to check if it would actually be open in summer, in winter I would have checked. It wasn't a big deal that it wasn't open, but it was so bizarre I wanted to mention it to them. The hotel is full all year and full of kids, but both the indoor and outdoor pools are only open during the Japanese summer holidays. Hard luck if your country has holidays at a different date or you have young kids not at school or if you are just an adult who wants to use the pool.

As you say I really felt that as foreigners we were just a nuisance to them. Many of the rules seem to have been designed on the assumption that everyone is local and seem to have little logic behind them. From a business perspective this is not great as considering how cheap it is, and how great the parks are, they could massive ely increase the number of overseas visitors.
Sorry you had a bad experience, but most of this info is available ahead of time. Also, don’t fault a culture for strict adherence to rules. It’s ingrained in them. We should adapt to them when we visit. Not the other way around.
 
Apparently it is spring 2024, but who knows. I would think it would be April or May 2024, more likely the latter.
 
I'm hoping that it is next year for sure... DH and I are thinking about Fall of next year. Osaka, Nara, Kyoto, then Tokyo Disneyland for the New Fantasy Springs area...
I'm thinking about the same period, maybe late October or November to get the fall colours (I've been during cherry blossom before). Hopefully, this way, even if there are a few months delay I'll get to see the expansion open.
Any Japan holiday to avoid in the fall?
 
I'm thinking about the same period, maybe late October or November to get the fall colours (I've been during cherry blossom before). Hopefully, this way, even if there are a few months delay I'll get to see the expansion open.
Any Japan holiday to avoid in the fall?

No major holidays but Halloween has historically been a busy time and the first few days of the Christmas event will certainly be busy. These may not necessarily lead to huge increases in ride wait times but can lead to large crowds for shows making it harder to win show lotteries and drive up hotel prices.
 
I'm going on a total guess here and think most likely it will be April 15, 2024. Anniversary dates.
 

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