Is DCL getting - or is it already - complacent?

PhilipC

Earning My Ears
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There is no doubt that DCL is a successful business. The two cruises my wife & recently completed on the Disney Wonder (our 11th & 12th) were fully booked. The demographics seemed to be an interesting mix across the different Castaway Cay Club categories plus plenty of first-timers. The back-to-back group we were in was the largest we'd personally been in (around 80 passengers) but, from all accounts, the back-to-back group at the end of our second cruise was going to be far bigger.

Having completed those cruises, though, I can't help but wonder if that very success is resulting in DCL becoming complacent. In other words, are they putting all of their effort into that first-time experience and not so much into the returning experience?

They no longer offer a shipboard credit for future bookings made on board. They might just as well not bother with the Castaway Cay stateroom gift - our platinum bag was identical to the gold bag we received last year. We now give our bags to charity when we get home.

They continue to charge for things that other cruise lines now offer as part of the package, e.g. laundry facilities, tips and, for some cruise lines, even Internet service.

Those points may seem picky so what about the way DCL looks after guests?

It seems to me that, over time, DCL has decreased the level of customer service. They used to be the shining beacon across the Disney companies. Now? I don't think so. Our stateroom host did not have a strong command of English, so we didn't engage with him to the same degree that we have with previous hosts. He did the bare minimum required of his job and even then managed to overlook a liquid stain on the desk mirror for the entire two weeks we were on board. The folded towels in the evening? Mostly the blue bed cover folded into something - my wife particularly missed seeing the monkey.

There were some excellent crew members on board, particularly in the dining team. However, we heard from one of the more senior dining staff that they were heading over to the Wish and were picking who they wanted to go with them. Logic suggests they will take the best with them ... leaving DCL to back-fill the vacancies across the fleet caused by those migrations. We also heard that Virgin are poaching/gaining crew from DCL, further affecting their staffing.

We had problems with two excursions during our cruises, one of which was so bad we asked for a refund. This is not the first time we've had a bad Port Adventure experience, I'm sad to say, and I think that some responsibility has to lie with DCL over this. They claim "we have pre-selected tours designed to ensure that you see the best that our ports have to offer" but they don't do anything to back up that claim. Quite the opposite. They make it very clear that Port Adventures are "operated by independent contractors that are neither agents of, nor supervised or controlled by, Disney Cruise Line". Now, I accept that DCL "does not maintain their facilities or modes of transportation" but they do publish the Port Adventure description and use that to sell us on that excursion. As a result, if the excursion does not live up to that description, DCL - on our behalf - should be interceding, obtaining a refund and making sure that the operator gets its act together or doesn't get used again in the future. Instead, it seems like the ship-board staff have less control than they used to and Shore Side are now in control of managing the Port Adventures. It took us several days of badgering and complaining to even extract a 50% refund and this was for a Port Adventure that was almost 90% deceitful in its description. How many passengers need to complain about Port Adventures (we weren't the only ones) before DCL does something to ensure that excursions are checked periodically (e.g. like a secret shopper) to make sure that they do live up to the description?

DCL's contract is full of situations like that, where services are provided by contracted third-parties and, if it goes wrong, it is tough on you, the customer. I was very surprised to hear about the $4m settlement between DCL and a member of staff over a misdiagnosis by the onboard medical staff. Why surprised? We had a misdiagnosis last year, albeit nowhere near that level of severity. DCL's response? Take it up with the medical company - nothing to do with us. If you are a non-US customer, that makes it all but impossible. There is no indication that DCL have tightened onboard healthcare procedures to make sure that even our minor experience happens again. There is certainly no indication that DCL are considering changing their medical provider.

Which is why I used the word complacent. They may well be expending a lot of planning and effort into the Wish and the other two new ships, but does that leave us with another Shanghai situation? All the money and effort being diverted elsewhere so the original fleet starts to suffer as a consequence?

There is no doubt in my mind that DCL offers a unique proposition and this is one of the reasons why it is successful. However, it costs more to attract new customers than it does to retain existing ones. Will the existing customers remain loyal if they, like us, start to see a degradation of service and value for money?
 
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DCL has been complacent for a long time. As background, we sailed 11 cruises with them and we have three more booked at this time.

I don’t think their training program or employment policy has changed over the years, nor their standard for guest services or in-room cleanliness. Not every CM is excellent and some may just be bad at their job. Your host might have been tasked with extra rooms because a collegue fell ill or had to quit the ship unexpectedly. We’ve had a bad service team before. Most of them are quite good. It’s luck of the draw. While other lines are always looking at good staff on other lines, I don‘t think Wish can affect the current cruises. The inaugural sailing is 2 years away, or 2.5 contracts away for most CM’s.

One thing to realize as a repeat DCL cruiser is that the DCL business model is, unlike other cruise lines, not based on repeat cruisers. Rarely will you get promotional emails from them, and they rarely offer ‘come back‘ perks. Meanwhile, I receive daily promotions from NCL, RCCL, Azamara and Celebrity. As OP said, it makes little sense for most companies to continuously look for new clients, but Disney is in a particular position.

With four ships targeted towards families with young kids, they act like a sailing relation with them will mostly last the time between the first cruise and the moment where the kids are in their teens. 50% of their business is also somewhat linked to their main revenue-driving destination, WDW. They have less work to do to convince a family to hop on a plane to reach their ships in PC than other lines.

Since they do not focus on casino or alcohol revenues, older repeat cruisers without kids are not as attractive to them as families of five crammed in a family deluxe room. Every guests paying a fare is their main revenue source. Other lines often offer ‘third or fourth guest sail for free’. Looking at suites on other lines, most of them are designed for two or maybe three guests. This summer, we had one of the largest suite on Celebrity and our son had to sleep on a pull-out couch that was rarely used and required a large table and chair to be moved out of the way.

Therefore, they do not change onboard programming, cruise schedules, menus, shows, etc. nearly as often as other lines. Crowd composition on most cruises - the exception being the TAs, PCs and European cruises - is made of mostly new or silver cruisers. Their loyalty program is the worst at sea for the same reasons. A free 40$ meal after 10 cruises is far from what you get on other lines - free Internet, free drink package, free photo package, etc. The removal of the OBC for onboard booking also points in that direction. ‘Thanks for coming and see ya real soon’ but they do not really care if they do actually see you again.

If you do come back, they won‘t pay much attention to complaints about in-room gifts not changing often enough. If you sail often with them, they know it’s not because of the welcome back gifts. That offer is thought for first-time silver cruisers. They have very precise data on why guests act the way they do. No other company uses surveys as much as they do. Any change they make is based on that data. They knew full well that removing OBC would help their bottom line, not hurt it. They know that changing the sling bag will cost them more than keeping it for another five years.

As for port adventures, all lines operate the same way. They all contract the same companies. In our experience however, DCL is the line that sends CM’s on tours the most often. I would say that 30% of our tours included the presence of a CM from a department not related to port adventures. They usually do not take part in managing the tour at all and, if not for their bored attitude and DCL name tags, you would think they were guests on the tours. Their reluctance to issue a refund is mostly based on the fact that they payed money to the tour operator for you to take part and probably will never get it back.

My main point is that return customers usually feel entitled to consideration and perks for their fidelity. Most of the time, companies act accordingly because it brings them more revenue than seeking new customers. DCL is different from every other cruise line and even from Disney parks. They make a minimum effort towards return customers, unless they want to take their money. That’s why the main perk for coming back is the ability to give them your money sooner, either when booking a cruise or onboard activities. That advantage is in fact beneficial for them.
 
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These are two thing I posted last November. Since then my wife and I have been on one more Disney cruise with one other Disney,one NCL and a Princess cruise scheduled over the next year and a half.




This is something I posted in another link titled "Dcl to get rid of Placeholder Booking Perks "and I think it holds true to some of what is being discuses here. I think Disney is going in the wrong direction in regards to some of its most loyal customers. It is costing them not only on the cruise ships but also in the parks. The prices go up and Disney removed more benefits from its guest. They can't have both and I think it has already cost some high up cast members their jobs.
This is what I posted.

"My wife and I have been on seven Disney cruises in the last six years all on the Fantasy. On at least the last three cruises the ships were not going out full and were a couple hundred people short of a full or sold out cruise. They were selling all room category's almost up till the last minute. The ship was noticeably less crowded.

We were gold at the time and had no problem booking on board activity's. On our last cruise we went as Platinum for our first time. Even though we we able to book activity's before other levels as the cruise grew closer there seamed to be no problem for others having plenty to chose from.

If you look at some of the up coming cruises they are now doing something called a Restricted/Guaranteed rates. They are not Florida resident rates they are available for everyone. Some of the prices are several hundred dollars less than a cabin in the same type "ocean view,veranda".

I think Disney is having trouble filling the boats during certain times of the year. I think they would rather offer deals on certain cruises during certain times of the year than rely on Cast Away Club. They are going the rout of other cruise lines by discounting their cruises as they get closer to sail time. For some who are flexible in how they take cruises they are great deals however if you have to plan out far in advance you will pay full price.

I think it will get even more interesting when the new ships come on line over the next few years. As the new ships come into Port Canaveral they should have no problems filling them up for a while because they are new. Cast Away Club will get first chance at the booking them and they will fill up. It will be interesting to see how they do as time goes on. It will also be interesting to see how the other ships will do with their booking. In the end they may have to start doing the on board booking credits again.

My wife and I LOVE Disney. We came to Disney World on our honeymoon from New Jersey twenty nine years ago. We are Disney Vacation Club members going on twenty three years. We have lived near Disney World for twenty years now and stay several times a year. We have been on eleven Disney cruises with twelve and thirteen scheduled. We have spent a lot of money with Disney over the last twenty nine years.
We are loyal Disney guest however recently with some of the changes we are having doubts about Disney's loyalty to us.


In the end we still love Disney cruises. We go because of the quality and outstanding service we have received in the past. To try to save some money after Disney doing away with the on board credit we will probably look at doing cruises more with some of the last minute deals/Florida resident rates they sometimes offer. "




This was something else I posted in response to a post in the same thread about what else Disney may take away. It has to do with the Cast Away Club. I read a lot of people complaining they can't book activity's on certain ships because there are to many Platinum members on the ships. This would be a good excuse for Disney to re do the Cast Away Club.

For the first time my wife and I are booking a cruise on another cruise line. When we look at there loyalty program we were amazed to see that if we had spent the same number of days at sea with them (77days/11 cruises with Disney) vs Disney what the benefits would have been plus the money saved.

This is what I posted on the other thread.

"I think the next big thing you are going to see is the Cast Away Club re done. They are going to have to create a different way for people to achieve different levels. Maybe even adding new levels.
Instead of number of cruises, they may go to days at sea. Any one who has achieved a certain level will stay at that level and all new levels must meet the new guidelines. I know this may be another benefit they may take away from some people working toward Platinum but I think this is next. I know there have been discussion about this in the past but I think Disney removing the on board credit is just the beginning to see peoples reactions. "
 
There is no doubt that DCL is a successful business. The two cruises my wife & recently completed on the Disney Wonder (our 11th & 12th) were fully booked. The demographics seemed to be an interesting mix across the different Castaway Cay categories plus plenty of first-timers. The back-to-back group we were in was the largest we'd personally been in (around 80 passengers) but, from all accounts, the back-to-back group at the end of our second cruise was going to be far bigger.

Having completed those cruises, though, I can't help but wonder if that very success is resulting in DCL becoming complacent. In other words, are they putting all of their effort into that first-time experience and not so much into the returning experience?

They no longer offer a shipboard credit for future bookings made on board. They might just as well not bother with the Castaway Cay stateroom gift - our platinum bag was identical to the gold bag we received last year. We now give our bags to charity when we get home.

They continue to charge for things that other cruise lines now offer as part of the package, e.g. laundry facilities, tips and, for some cruise lines, even Internet service.

Those points may seem picky so what about the way DCL looks after guests?

It seems to me that, over time, DCL has decreased the level of customer service. They used to be the shining beacon across the Disney companies. Now? I don't think so. Our stateroom host did not have a strong command of English, so we didn't engage with him to the same degree that we have with previous hosts. He did the bare minimum required of his job and even then managed to overlook a liquid stain on the desk mirror for the entire two weeks we were on board. The folded towels in the evening? Mostly the blue bed cover folded into something - my wife particularly missed seeing the monkey.

There were some excellent crew members on board, particularly in the dining team. However, we heard from one of the more senior dining staff that they were heading over to the Wish and were picking who they wanted to go with them. Logic suggests they will take the best with them ... leaving DCL to back-fill the vacancies across the fleet caused by those migrations. We also heard that Virgin are poaching/gaining crew from DCL, further affecting their staffing.

We had problems with two excursions during our cruises, one of which was so bad we asked for a refund. This is not the first time we've had a bad Port Adventure experience, I'm sad to say, and I think that some responsibility has to lie with DCL over this. They claim "we have pre-selected tours designed to ensure that you see the best that our ports have to offer" but they don't do anything to back up that claim. Quite the opposite. They make it very clear that Port Adventures are "operated by independent contractors that are neither agents of, nor supervised or controlled by, Disney Cruise Line". Now, I accept that DCL "does not maintain their facilities or modes of transportation" but they do publish the Port Adventure description and use that to sell us on that excursion. As a result, if the excursion does not live up to that description, DCL - on our behalf - should be interceding, obtaining a refund and making sure that the operator gets its act together or doesn't get used again in the future. Instead, it seems like the ship-board staff have less control than they used to and Shore Side are now in control of managing the Port Adventures. It took us several days of badgering and complaining to even extract a 50% refund and this was for a Port Adventure that was almost 90% deceitful in its description. How many passengers need to complain about Port Adventures (we weren't the only ones) before DCL does something to ensure that excursions are checked periodically (e.g. like a secret shopper) to make sure that they do live up to the description?

DCL's contract is full of situations like that, where services are provided by contracted third-parties and, if it goes wrong, it is tough on you, the customer. I was very surprised to hear about the $4m settlement between DCL and a member of staff over a misdiagnosis by the onboard medical staff. Why surprised? We had a misdiagnosis last year, albeit nowhere near that level of severity. DCL's response? Take it up with the medical company - nothing to do with us. If you are a non-US customer, that makes it all but impossible. There is no indication that DCL have tightened onboard healthcare procedures to make sure that even our minor experience happens again. There is certainly no indication that DCL are considering changing their medical provider.

Which is why I used the word complacent. They may well be expending a lot of planning and effort into the Wish and the other two new ships, but does that leave us with another Shanghai situation? All the money and effort being diverted elsewhere so the original fleet starts to suffer as a consequence?

There is no doubt in my mind that DCL offers a unique proposition and this is one of the reasons why it is successful. However, it costs more to attract new customers than it does to retain existing ones. Will the existing customers remain loyal if they, like us, start to see a degradation of service and value for money?

What are Castaway Cay categories?
 


I just got a very lengthy survey from DCL on their Castaway club, loyalty programs, in room gifts , and what changes I’d like to see, They also asked questions about other cruiselines loyalty programs and what they offered. I just received thiis survey on Friday, Maybe more of you will get it and ou can voice your opinions,
I wash pretty harsh. I’m not happy with their loyalty programs or their 3 to 4 years of the same sling bags.
 
Just to add one of the questions they asked was if I thought status should be determined by number of cruises or number of days and why. They also asked how often the in room gift should be changed and what perks I thought should be offered with each level. They did not ask about another level, but I do think they need one for 20 or 25 plus cruises.
 


Just to add one of the questions they asked was if I thought status should be determined by number of cruises or number of days and why. They also asked how often the in room gift should be changed and what perks I thought should be offered with each level. They did not ask about another level, but I do think they need one for 20 or 25 plus cruises.

Disney has a problem with their loyalty status: as time passes, more and more passengers are reaching the higher tiers.

This is not an issue in the airline industry as they require customers to requalify every year to keep their status. This is clearly a mistake in the original Castaway Club program, and I wouldn't be surprised that they change the rules in the foreseeable future. One of the options would be points gained based on the amount of dollars spent or number of days sailed, that would expire in a 2-3 years.

The days of the Castaway Club as we know it are probably counted anyway.
 
One of the options would be points gained based on the amount of dollars spent or number of days sailed, ....

The days of the Castaway Club as we know it are probably counted anyway.

DCL definitely needs to change it. A 3 night cruise in an inside room shouldn't count the same as a 7+ night cruise in a Concierge room. It should be based on a combination of price (or category since that determines price) and number of days.
 
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At least with dollar spent there's an amount of fairness. Plus they might sell more high-end staterooms for those who need the extra points to reach the next status.

I'll be honest. I don't get the whole notion of "working" at getting higher Castaway Club status. I've already seen people who spend almost twice as much to do back to backs instead of a 7 day, so this must be a thing. But given the rewards, I don't get it. On the other hand, I'm perfectly happy with the backpacks. I'm signing up for a cruise, not a door prize.

Shrodinger's Loyalty Program: Rewards are terrible, but people spend extra money to reach higher status.

And no, they don't seem to be getting complacent to me and given how much more it costs than other cruises, it seems to be meeting market expectations.
 
Disney has a problem with their loyalty status: as time passes, more and more passengers are reaching the higher tiers.

This is not an issue in the airline industry as they require customers to requalify every year to keep their status. This is clearly a mistake in the original Castaway Club program, and I wouldn't be surprised that they change the rules in the foreseeable future. One of the options would be points gained based on the amount of dollars spent or number of days sailed, that would expire in a 2-3 years.

The days of the Castaway Club as we know it are probably counted anyway.
That's a good point. People starting out now would never catch up to the previous platinum sailors.
 
The true measure of loyalty to the cruise line is the number of days spent on their ships. I don't see why any premium you pay above a baseline fare to maximize your enjoyment onboard should count toward that measure. To me that's like claiming that the amount you spend in the gift shops or on excursions should count toward your status. The benefits for Concierge are pretty paltry in comparison to other lines, but the place to start rectifying that isn't in the loyalty program.
 
Their current focus on new cruisers is somewhat understandable. They are near-doubling their capacity over the next three years, and they need new guests to fill the ships.

That being said, the cruise industry as a whole is grappling with the loyalty program swells. After all, outside of the school holidays, it's the same set of cruisers every year - and everyone will eventually reach those higher levels.

Now consider what the likes of RCCL are doing in response. They have created the 'Key' program to allow people to buy their way to priority perks for any given cruise. Probably the best example of showing an other-worldly finger to the repeats!
 
Now consider what the likes of RCCL are doing in response. They have created the 'Key' program to allow people to buy their way to priority perks for any given cruise. Probably the best example of showing an other-worldly finger to the repeats!

NCL recently started a similar program - Priority Access - which allows people to purchase some of the perks that come with their Platinum loyalty status. Very annoying, to say the least.
 
They would have to grandfather in anyone with current Status. The fact that 10 cruises is their highest level is pretty ridiculous.
As disappointed as I am in DCLs loyalty program I just got off my first RCCL cruise and Im pretty sure I’m one and done with them. IMHO they are not on par with DCL. Were supposed to try Carnival next year and I’m hesitant to do that after this experience. We had fun, but iI wasn’t wowed by it the way I’d hoped to be.
 
This was something I posted back in May of this year in response to the thread
Any thoughts on Castaway Club levels and future possible adjustments?


First off I think status should be based on days at sea not number of cruises. This might upset people who only take 3 and 4 day cruises but I think it would be a more fair way to gain different levels of the Cast Away Club. My wife and I had sailed on ten, seven day cruises for a total of seventy days at sea as apposed to some one that has done ten, three day cruises for a total of thirty days at sea to gain Platinum status. We are currently at seventy seven days at sea with another fourteen booked. As far as additional rewards on top of what Disney already offers Cast Away Club members, they might think about 5% off future cruises for Silver,10% off future cruises for gold and 15% off future cruises for Platinum without having to do an on board booking/placeholder. They might also want to look at similar discounts for on board shopping.
 
This was something I posted back in May of this year in response to the thread
Any thoughts on Castaway Club levels and future possible adjustments?


First off I think status should be based on days at sea not number of cruises. This might upset people who only take 3 and 4 day cruises but I think it would be a more fair way to gain different levels of the Cast Away Club. My wife and I had sailed on ten, seven day cruises for a total of seventy days at sea as apposed to some one that has done ten, three day cruises for a total of thirty days at sea to gain Platinum status. We are currently at seventy seven days at sea with another fourteen booked. As far as additional rewards on top of what Disney already offers Cast Away Club members, they might think about 5% off future cruises for Silver,10% off future cruises for gold and 15% off future cruises for Platinum without having to do an on board booking/placeholder. They might also want to look at similar discounts for on board shopping.
One of the questions I was asked on the survey was if 10% obc should be a perk. I didn’t understand what they meant. 10%of what? We have spent 160 days onboard. There are many like us that’s why we need a higher category.
 

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