Moms of Liberty - Hypocrisy at its worst

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There were examples given earlier in the thread.

It’s not about what I want. It’s what parents that have kids in public schools want. And if they don’t want their young children exposed to sexual subjects I’m okay with that. If you want your kids exposed to it, then do it at home.
The examples earlier in the thread also included a book that showed a drawing of a naked boy running down the street. That's "sexual" to you?

Other books listed I don't remember anyone saying what schools they were in.

And you still dodge the questions, haven't you taught your kids what you want them to avoid and do you not trust them?

And if it comes down to what "parents want", why does only one side get to determine what's appropriate?
 
Yeah that’s wrong.

The examples earlier in the thread also included a book that showed a drawing of a naked boy running down the street. That's "sexual" to you?

Other books listed I don't remember anyone saying what schools they were in.

And you still dodge the questions, haven't you taught your kids what you want them to avoid and do you not trust them?

And if it comes down to what "parents want", why does only one side get to determine what's appropriate?
Exactly. "Liberty for ME, but not for THEE." Same old story for the hypocrites. Scream about freedom and rights but are only concerned for their own.
 
There were examples given earlier in the thread.

It’s not about what I want. It’s what parents that have kids in public schools want. And if they don’t want their young children exposed to sexual subjects I’m okay with that. If you want your kids exposed to it, then do it at home.
It’s not all about banning books. It’s also about whitewashing history. Slavery was good for Afro Americans right?
 


There is a whole field of study called library science where people get bona fide degrees.

This organization is creating distress where there wasn't before.

This 'wing' of politics is out of control with it's creating division where there shouldn't be and undermining actual professionals who have years of study in their field.

The agenda is division to undermine long standing principles of our democracy.
 
There were examples given earlier in the thread.

It’s not about what I want. It’s what parents that have kids in public schools want. And if they don’t want their young children exposed to sexual subjects I’m okay with that. If you want your kids exposed to it, then do it at home.
Examples were given. Just not good or convincing ones.

I've never had kids in public school (they never proved that one that time!), but $25,000 of my annual $42,000 property tax payment went directly to my local public schools, so you'd better believe I have a say in what's available to local students. I'd want nothing less for any of my kids. If I didn't want my kid exposed to all that hifalutin larnin' I'd "protect" them by homeschoolin' them and keeping their views as narrow as mine.
 
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Who remembers knowing who/what Ralph was after reading 'Forever' by Judy Blume...

Books are about discovery, but they do not create belief or converts...I read the Bible and the Koran... still don't believe in either. Also the Prince by Machiavelli... still have not overthrown a kingdom... Anarchist cookbook: nope, never built weapons. Also read some pretty racy erotica... and never tried most of THAT...

Reading about sex does not make people go out and have sex LOL... can't believe we still have these arguments. Read what you want... if your kid is out there and reading and reading and reading whatever... you should be happy, not stifle it.
I have to respectfully say that I disagree with the premise of your entire post. To suggest that what we consume today with our eyes (or ears for that matter) has no effect on our future selves is false. If this were true, advertising (just as one easy example) would have zero effect on the choices people make. I believe what we see, read, and hear has a profound effect on what we think, what we say, and what we believe. You say you don’t believe the Bible nor the Koran are non-fiction. That’s cool. Maybe I don’t either. But is it possible that somewhere along the line something you were told or something you read (or the aggregate of multiple things over and over) made you decide to only believe in that which is provable? (Not trying to speak for you and imply that’s what you believe, just wondering out loud.)

To say that we are impenetrable fortresses against all that is shown to our eyes (or ears) is not something I agree with. Whether it be the written word in books, the spoken word in speeches, movies and songs or the images we see in visual art. All of these things are woven together to make the fabric of our society. Our culture. And the culture we live in has a profound effect on who we are and who we are going to become.

Now sure, maybe some people have thicker skin than others. Maybe you’re one of them. Maybe you are swayed less by what you read today. But wouldn’t that ability to steadfastly stick to your current beliefs be nothing more than a testament to everything you were taught (via the written and spoken word) up until this point?

To say that books, whether fiction or non-fiction, have no effect on people is, I believe, turning a blind eye to history. Provable, verified, history that has been documented…..in books.
 
As I said earlier if you want to show your kids porn, then do it at home.
Pornography is in the eye of the beholder, of course, but to some people, teaching history is being swept up in the same category as [what you consider] porn.
 
Examples were given. Just not good or convincing ones.

I've never had kids in public school (they never proved that one that time!), but $25,000 of my annual $42,000 property tax payment went directly to my local public schools, so you'd better believe I have a say in what's available to local students. I'd want nothing less for any of my kids. If I didn't want my kid exposed to all that hifalutin larnin' I'd "protect" them by homeschoolin' them and keeping their views as narrow as mine.
This is not the flex you think it is.
 
I have to respectfully say that I disagree with the premise of your entire post. To suggest that what we consume today with our eyes (or ears for that matter) has no effect on our future selves is false. If this were true, advertising (just as one easy example) would have zero effect on the choices people make. I believe what we see, read, and hear has a profound effect on what we think, what we say, and what we believe. You say you don’t believe the Bible nor the Koran are non-fiction. That’s cool. Maybe I don’t either. But is it possible that somewhere along the line something you were told or something you read (or the aggregate of multiple things over and over) made you decide to only believe in that which is provable? (Not trying to speak for you and imply that’s what you believe, just wondering out loud.)

To say that we are impenetrable fortresses against all that is shown to our eyes (or ears) is not something I agree with. Whether it be the written word in books, the spoken word in speeches, movies and songs or the images we see in visual art. All of these things are woven together to make the fabric of our society. Our culture. And the culture we live in has a profound effect on who we are and who we are going to become.

Now sure, maybe some people have thicker skin than others. Maybe you’re one of them. Maybe you are swayed less by what you read today. But wouldn’t that ability to steadfastly stick to your current beliefs be nothing more than a testament to everything you were taught (via the written and spoken word) up until this point?

To say that books, whether fiction or non-fiction, have no effect on people is, I believe, turning a blind eye to history. Provable, verified, history that has been documented…..in books.
So well said!
 
I have to respectfully say that I disagree with the premise of your entire post. To suggest that what we consume today with our eyes (or ears for that matter) has no effect on our future selves is false. If this were true, advertising (just as one easy example) would have zero effect on the choices people make. I believe what we see, read, and hear has a profound effect on what we think, what we say, and what we believe. You say you don’t believe the Bible nor the Koran are non-fiction. That’s cool. Maybe I don’t either. But is it possible that somewhere along the line something you were told or something you read (or the aggregate of multiple things over and over) made you decide to only believe in that which is provable? (Not trying to speak for you and imply that’s what you believe, just wondering out loud.)

To say that we are impenetrable fortresses against all that is shown to our eyes (or ears) is not something I agree with. Whether it be the written word in books, the spoken word in speeches, movies and songs or the images we see in visual art. All of these things are woven together to make the fabric of our society. Our culture. And the culture we live in has a profound effect on who we are and who we are going to become.

Now sure, maybe some people have thicker skin than others. Maybe you’re one of them. Maybe you are swayed less by what you read today. But wouldn’t that ability to steadfastly stick to your current beliefs be nothing more than a testament to everything you were taught (via the written and spoken word) up until this point?

To say that books, whether fiction or non-fiction, have no effect on people is, I believe, turning a blind eye to history. Provable, verified, history that has been documented…..in books.
It’s called manipulation and influencing. It doesn’t need to exist for people to form their own opinion of what is right or wrong. We have morons with power attempting to substitute for mindful thinking
 
This is really off topic for this thread to be honest but I really hate when people talk about “book banning”. So we would all recognize that school libraries are curated, yes? The selection of books found in elementary school libraries would be different from those in middle school libraries and those would be different from those found in high school libraries, correct? If an elementary school library doesn’t have a wide selection on horror books or adult romance novels we wouldn’t consider them being banned correct? We would consider that while some 8 year olds might be able to read Stephen King books (or Danielle Steele lol), there probably isn’t a wide selection of those books in K-5 schools (or even 5-8). Are they banned? Nope. Can your child (or anyone else’s child) read advanced and graphic horror books? Sure! Those books are readily available at your bookstore or public library. Can your child get and read any of these “banned books” in the great state of Florida (or any state)? Yes! Why? Because they aren’t banned!
There is a vast difference between school library books curated by a librarian who is educated and trained in the process and untrained school board members, parents, "concerned citizens" and legislators making those decisions. The latter entities are the ones who are removing books from school libraries. Banning them from being read/checked out by the students in that library. If a book is removed from a library where it had previously been chosen by a librarian trained in selection for a specific age group, what else would you call it?
 
Examples were given. Just not good or convincing ones.

I've never had kids in public school (they never proved that one that time!), but $25,000 of my annual $42,000 property tax payment went directly to my local public schools, so you'd better believe I have a say in what's available to local students. I'd want nothing less for any of my kids. If I didn't want my kid exposed to all that hifalutin larnin' I'd "protect" them by homeschoolin' them and keeping their views as narrow as mine.
Your flex of including your property tax and corresponding school tax payments in your post did not add any weight to your argument. You could move the decimal points in your figures to the left and the person paying these new amounts will get just as many votes as you. In fact, I would submit that when trying to convince other people to have a similar opinion to your own, you might try pointing out what makes you *more* like them, not less. Your property tax payment (if this applies to your residence and not a commercial or industrial property) is substantially higher than most people in this country, or most any country for that matter. Including those numbers in your post only serves to remind many who read it that they’re dissimilar to you. Therefore the reader has a further distance to travel to get to where you’re currently standing. Just an all around bad strategy on your part here.

Also, I’m not sure why you chose to write with a stereotypical, what would you call it, “southern accent” in your last sentence. Is this your failed attempt to convey your opinion of people that don’t speak exactly like you do? Or maybe it’s the geographical and socioeconomic differences that your pointing out here? Not sure. Whatever the reason, I’m not getting the vibe that your intentions were that of an open-minded and inclusivity-oriented person.
 
Your flex of including your property tax and corresponding school tax payments in your post did not add any weight to your argument. You could move the decimal points in your figures to the left and the person paying these new amounts will get just as many votes as you. In fact, I would submit that when trying to convince other people to have a similar opinion to your own, you might try pointing out what makes you *more* like them, not less. Your property tax payment (if this applies to your residence and not a commercial or industrial property) is substantially higher than most people in this country, or most any country for that matter. Including those numbers in your post only serves to remind many who read it that they’re dissimilar to you. Therefore the reader has a further distance to travel to get to where you’re currently standing. Just an all around bad strategy on your part here.

Also, I’m not sure why you chose to write with a stereotypical, what would you call it, “southern accent” in your last sentence. Is this your failed attempt to convey your opinion of people that don’t speak exactly like you do? Or maybe it’s the geographical and socioeconomic differences that your pointing out here? Not sure. Whatever the reason, I’m not getting the vibe that your intentions were that of an open-minded and inclusivity-oriented person.
I think they were merely stating that they had a financial interest in the equation.
 
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