Non Disney w/ EMH????

[clkelley]

Wait....you can rent RV's at FW?? I've always wanted to camp at FW, but didn't want to pull our rickety popup all the way from NH. Must look into this further!!

Disney doesn't rent RVs, but there are at least two folks (that are DISBoard members) that rent out their campers. They deliver, set up, and break down the rig for you at the Fort!!

www.campatthefort.com (5th wheel)

www.makecampingeasy.com (Pop-up, with golf cart as an option). Also has a 5th wheel, but it's not on the website.

 

[Tent Camping Mom]

I didn't read the rest of this thread because I have heard it got vicious and mean.
I don't think anything is wrong with this. You paid for the site and could do what you want with it. You could have a party or do nothing with it. If WDW wanted to stop this they could make you book at least two nights. Disneyland is making people book at least two nights during my April trip. I have a feeling this thread is like the refillable mugs and pool hopping threads. Have a great trip.

 

[auntie]

I didn't read the rest of this thread because I have heard it got vicious and mean.
I don't think anything is wrong with this. You paid for the site and could do what you want with it. You could have a party or do nothing with it. If WDW wanted to stop this they could make you book at least two nights. Disneyland is making people book at least two nights during my April trip. I have a feeling this thread is like the refillable mugs and pool hopping threads. Have a great trip.

You didn't read the rest of thread... because you heard it go vicious and mean. Yet, you felt compelled to share with us your justification for booking a throwaway campsite.
Then.. you minimize the concerns addressed by those opposed and effected by this practice.
You're just make friends all over aren't ya?

It's one thing to express a point a view..it's another to be a five year old and stick your tounge out and scream...Na..Na..Na..Na...Na...!

You should have taken the time to read the rest of the thread. Not so that you would be enlighted as to the ramfications of your choice on a a person who genuinely wants to camp..(because some people think only of themselves, no matter what)...but as a courtesty to all participants in the thread who took the time to do so.
Perhaps not changing any minds..on either side, but still bringing to light circumstances that may not have been given a second thought previously.

 

[metalis4ever]

It's not illegal but it is selfish (which I believe selfishness is wrong). And refillable mugs? Apples and oranges! With refillable mugs you are screwing Disney; booking a campsite without even camping is screwing a family.

Since you didn't read the thread...I wasn't vicious or mean but we were one of the families that was screwed out of a camping vacation for next week.

The refillable mugs argument isn't even comparable, as it clearly states on the mug the terms of use per Disney. There are no terms of use associated with how much time must be spent in a room or site in which one pays in full for. Everyone by definition is "selfish" in a Capitalist Society. For example you and I and all of us are selfish by even taking a vacation in the first place while there are children who go to bed hungry in this Country. You, I and all of us are selfish everytime we eat a meal and don't clean our plate and throw away leftovers. So if one wants to get all self righteous then one needs to go all the way otherwise one would be considered to be hypocritical. In any case the bottom line is by not staying in a campsite that one paid for the only person one is truly shafting (I wont use your word as it is a family board) is oneself as one is throwing out their own hard earned money. This is because everyone has the same opportunity to book a reservation as everyone else if the person in front of you gets to it first, that's not their problem it's yours.

 

[Tent Camping Mom]

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[clovermeg]

So if one wants to get all self righteous then one needs to go all the way otherwise one would be considered to be hypocritical. In any case the bottom line is by not staying in a campsite that one paid for the only person one is truly shafting (I wont use your word as it is a family board) is oneself as one is throwing out their own hard earned money. This is because everyone has the same opportunity to book a reservation as everyone else if the person in front of you gets to it first, that's not their problem it's yours.

This is ridiculous, we're not talking about radical socialism here, we're talking about infringing on another's ability to take a vacation, it is selfish. The poster is NOT being self-righteous or hypocritical. I live my life as close as possible to considering the impact of MY actions on others. I try not to waste food and other precious resources, however, by tossing out a portion of an unused meal is NOT directly negatively impacting someone else's life. It can hardly be compared. Knowingly booking a campsite that 1) is extremely limited in number and 2) you aren't going to use IS directly negatively impacting someone's ability to have a vacation. I CANNOT take my child on a vacation to Disney World without staying at a campsite...this is far more cost effective for us than even staying offsite, as we pitch a tent and have a place to prepare meals and don't have to use fuel to drive back and forth.

 

[jriae2000]

As I said, Ethics and Morals. Guess we know who has and uses them and who doesnt. Has nothing to do with capitalism, just being polite to others. Loopholes have corrupted the country by those who "DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT." Still doesnt make it right just because your not effected by the end result. Prison is full of people like that.

 

[metalis4ever]

This is ridiculous, we're not talking about radical socialism here, we're talking about infringing on another's ability to take a vacation, it is selfish. The poster is NOT being self-righteous or hypocritical. I live my life as close as possible to considering the impact of MY actions on others. I try not to waste food and other precious resources, however, by tossing out a portion of an unused meal is NOT directly negatively impacting someone else's life. It can hardly be compared. Knowingly booking a campsite that 1) is extremely limited in number and 2) you aren't going to use IS directly negatively impacting someone's ability to have a vacation. I CANNOT take my child on a vacation to Disney World without staying at a campsite...this is far more cost effective for us than even staying offsite, as we pitch a tent and have a place to prepare meals and don't have to use fuel to drive back and forth.

Actually I disagree it is a comparable analogy and could potentially have a direct negative effect on an individual.....say for example one buys an 8 ounce piece of meat because it's cheaper to buy more but ones family only needs a 6 ounce piece of meat, one cooks up the 8 serves it and each individual has some left that ends up in the garbage. The next person at the supermarket needs the 8 ounce to feed their family and there aren't any left, sure they could buy two 4 ounce pieces but they can't afford the 2 because they are more expensive than the single 8 ounce piece. Thereby the individual who purchased the 8 ounce and discarded the leftovers has directly impacted the person behind them. The majority of us knowingly do this, we all buy more than we have to because it makes more sense financially. To confirm this theory one must only take a look in their freezer, pantry and cupboards. There is nothing inherently wrong with this as our society is built that way as it is the whole more bang for your buck mentality. My point was that we are all selfish so to throw stones and pass judgment on others is in fact hypocritical.

That argument and analogy aside say Disney were to make a rule against this or apply a 2 night minimum stay, if the demand is so high anyway then the likelihood that another camper would take that reservation before you is high, thereby still depriving you of your vacation. The notion that many have expounded on this thread that only people who are actually going to camp should rent a campsite is in and of itself selfish and exclusionary therefore unethical and immoral.

 

[jriae2000]

Sadly, buying or paying for something and not intending to use it is an American idea. Anyone around the world reading this thread is mortified by all of us having this conversation in the first place. Shame on all of us. I served my country so all could have free choice, even if I dont agree with the choices some may make.

 

[clovermeg]

Actually I disagree it is a comparable analogy and could potentially have a direct negative effect on an individual.....say for example one buys an 8 ounce piece of meat because it's cheaper to buy more but ones family only needs a 6 ounce piece of meat, one cooks up the 8 serves it and each individual has some left that ends up in the garbage. The next person at the supermarket needs the 8 ounce to feed their family and there aren't any left, sure they could buy two 4 ounce pieces but they can't afford the 2 because they are more expensive than the single 8 ounce piece. Thereby the individual who purchased the 8 ounce and discarded the leftovers has directly impacted the person behind them. The majority of us knowingly do this, we all buy more than we have to because it makes more sense financially. To confirm this theory one must only take a look in their freezer, pantry and cupboards. There is nothing inherently wrong with this as our society is built that way as it is the whole more bang for your buck mentality. My point was that we are all selfish so to throw stones and pass judgment on others is in fact hypocritical.

That argument and analogy aside say Disney were to make a rule against this or apply a 2 night minimum stay, if the demand is so high anyway then the likelihood that another camper would take that reservation before you is high, thereby still depriving you of your vacation. The notion that many have expounded on this thread that only people who are actually going to camp should rent a campsite is in and of itself selfish and exclusionary therefore unethical and immoral.

The analogy makes me chuckle. The issue is that there is a limited supply of these campsites and this is a known fact, and by booking "throw away" campsites, one isn't even attempting to use it, but is being selfish, throwing away the WHOLE piece of meat instead of consuming even a portion of it. I do find it ethically, financially, and morally irresponsible for someone to throwaway an entire portion of food that hasn't even been touched! Furthermore, in my area at least: at Publix, Food Lion, WalMart, Bi-Lo, Piggly Wiggly, Kroger, Harris Teeter, Winn Dixie; the meat department will happily obtain another piece of meat out of the back, grind up more meat if it is ground, call another store etc, if is not readily available...additionally, these eight stores are within a 10 mile radius that all sell the meat for the same price give or take a few cents. These stores will also honor prices and will package the meat so the consumer can get the discount for purchasing a larger quantity. These courtesies cannot be done with the campsites at Disney. Once again, and I maintain my stance, there are limited campsites and throwing them away is selfish...

It is not unethical or immoral to believe that one should not waste the campsite.

 

[2luvmickey]

People, let's not forget this is a forum, where everyone can discuss things in a civil manner.

Personally, if I want EMH, I make the effort to stay on site or at the DTD Hilton (which can offer great rates). But, families renting a campsite and staying off site has been going on for years.

Does it "deny" some families the chance to visit Disney? Yes

But, it is their money and they have a right to their choices.

IMO, I feel many people are in such poor financial shape (as well as our Country, State and Cities) because of bad judgments in their spending habits. Why spend if you can't afford it? While there are people that save and budget and spend their money wisely. Sure, I would like to nip tuck my aging body rotfl, but I want my kids to go to college too.

Please, I AM NOT knocking those that are down on their luck. Many people just can't seem to dig out of a pretty deep hole.

Sure, we are an excessive country, but we are also a generous country that is the first to step up to help when needed.

The price of a campsite is a small part in the big picture of a Disney vacation. Add the food, ticket cost , transportation and it adds up!

Let's remember what the the DISboards are all about - discussing our love for all things Disney.

 

[Pirate-Jeff]

As I said, Ethics and Morals. Guess we know who has and uses them and who doesnt. Has nothing to do with capitalism, just being polite to others. Loopholes have corrupted the country by those who "DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT." Still doesnt make it right just because your not effected by the end result. Prison is full of people like that.

So is congress

 

[jriae2000]

So is congress

Thats where I was heading but thought I might be in enough trouble already.

 

[Lil' Lisa]

...The next person at the supermarket needs the 8 ounce to feed their family and there aren't any left, sure they could buy two 4 ounce pieces but they can't afford the 2 because they are more expensive than the single 8 ounce piece. Thereby the individual who purchased the 8 ounce and discarded the leftovers has directly impacted the person behind them...

The last time that I bought meat, they sold it by weight. So, wouldn't two 4oz pieces cost the same as one 8oz one???

 

[vicki_c]

The last time that I bought meat, they sold it by weight. So, wouldn't two 4oz pieces cost the same as one 8oz one???

Actually no- often times the bigger packages are less per pound than the smaller packages.

And how's that for off topic?

 

[LORNADUCK]

Not looking to offend anybody, but I have booked a group reservation for July 4th weekend. We could not get a good rate because group reservations told me it is a very busy weekend and they will not give better rates because of that. So now our rate is up because people book and not use them. So yes it is effecting the rates we pay also.
The other problem is when people want to book the fort, if there is no partial hook-ups (tent sites) a lot of them will book a full hook-up instead, now the full hook-up is booked and so on down the line, which is now taking away a non-tent site away from someone who wants it.

 

[Disneybridein2k3]

That argument and analogy aside say if Disney were to make a rule against this or apply a 2 night minimum stay, the demand is so high anyway the likelihood that another camper would take that reservation before you is high, thereby still depriving you of your vacation.

Exactly my thoughts!!! I'm not saying the concept hasn't been done, but how do you know YOUR (not you, Metalis4ever) resssie was the one affected by the person who booked the reservation and didn't actually use the site? Maybe you wouldn't have got in anyway just because of your excited fellow campers who was eager to camp during the same week/weekend as you. You will never know.

Actually no- often times the bigger packages are less per pound than the smaller packages.

And how's that for off topic?

I will tell you the board I come to most often is the Unplugged board because I am a huge fan of the Dis Unplugged podcast. When posts get ugly there, we turn to the very best OT subject of cake vs pie. Typically we try to outdo each other on the best relevant cake. I believe I have already won here.

 

[Cindy F]

Well DisneyBride, just to ensure that "cake" wins over "pie", I'm throwing these two cakes into the ring!

For us popup lovers
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sutterby/3601057375/

and this one because I just love it!

 

[Lil' Lisa]

I will tell you the board I come to most often is the Unplugged board because I am a huge fan of the Dis Unplugged podcast. When posts get ugly there, we turn to the very best OT subject of cake vs pie. Typically we try to outdo each other on the best relevant cake. I believe I have already won here.

On the camping board we turn the conversation to beer or lime green underwear...

 

[boldlyreal]

That clkelley rented out her camper {sigh} It is so cute and I want one of my own!!!! Hubby says after our expensive kids move out!