starry_solo
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Knew about it (there's been articles about travel "hacks" like these for years).
Don't care for it but whatever floats their boat...
Don't care for it but whatever floats their boat...
23rd paragraph on the article linked in Post #1A) That sentence shows up nowhere in the article.
B) Assuming you found that quote in another article, it's not about skiplagging (AND a resulting court case).
C) That quote refers to a company (kiwi.com) losing to Southwest, not passengers, which is what you said.
Now, before you go find a different case where the airline won some discrimination case or something against a passenger, see A & B above.
Now, care to try again?
ETA: Regarding B above, the case just says kiwi.com can't scrape SW's site for it's data, so skiplagged.com can't offer SW tickets. So marginally about skiplagging, but still not what @tvguy claimed.
Ah, there's the confusion. You quoted me where I linked an article then said "If you read the article... " I assumed you were referring to the article *I* linked, not the original article. For that, I apologize.23rd paragraph on the article linked in Post #1
Do YOU care to try again? LOL. It's there
It's still not a case of an airline suing a PASSENGER for skiplagging. They sued two websites for displaying the airlines fares.And in 2021, Southwest sued Skiplagged in Texas for displaying the airline's cheap fares and selling the tickets on its flights without permission - after it had already sued similar site Kiwi.com for the same reasons.
What amount are the damages? You can’t just sue for “damages” with some random amount like in a punitive sense …you have to show exactly what you lost. The passenger paid in full for a ticket and the airline accepted the full amount. They’ve lost nothing.They could theoretically attempt to collect monetary damages for breach of contract. And even large companies can use small claims court, and quite a few have mandatory arbitration terms in their terms of use.
They'd have to prove damages wouldn't they? And at most the damages would probably be a couple hundred (let's even say a thousand) dollars. What company in their right mind would go after someone, where even if they win, they're probably out tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees?
What amount are the damages? You can’t just sue for “damages” with some random amount like in a punitive sense …you have to show exactly what you lost. The passenger paid in full for a ticket and the airline accepted the full amount. They’ve lost nothing.
I can't. The "damages", while fairly easy to determine, are more than likely <$1000. That will cover what, MAYBE four hours of a lawyer's time (probably MUCH less, I'm being generous). While airlines "lose" money on skiplagging, I doubt it's enough to make suing in court "worth it", even as an example.Damages are easy. The terms clearly say that it can't be done and the amount could be fairly easily documented. I could see an airline doing it to set an example.
Just for example, tickets from Gainesville to JFK start at around $100 (I picked a random Saturday in November). Tickets from Gainesville to Charlotte start at around $200.What amount are the damages? You can’t just sue for “damages” with some random amount like in a punitive sense …you have to show exactly what you lost. The passenger paid in full for a ticket and the airline accepted the full amount. They’ve lost nothing.
I can't. The "damages", while fairly easy to determine, are more than likely <$1000. That will cover what, MAYBE four hours of a lawyer's time (probably MUCH less, I'm being generous). While airlines "lose" money on skiplagging, I doubt it's enough to make suing in court "worth it", even as an example.
I do get that …but they aren’t out anything. They sold a ticket to JFK and got paid for it -in their mind they’re out $100 because a bean counter told them so, but the fact remains that someone paid them what they asked. What the passenger does with the ticket is the passenger’s business …they don’t have to fly at all if they choose. I’m just saying there is no chance an airline wins a case like this -ever. They can write all the mumbo jumbo they want into their rules …it’s all meant to discourage, not protect them in a court of law.Just for example, tickets from Gainesville to JFK start at around $100 (I picked a random Saturday in November). Tickets from Gainesville to Charlotte start at around $200.
So, the airline would be "out" $100 plus the ticket they could have sold from CLT to JFK.
TOTALLY agree, ESPECIALLY with the bolded, regardless of what others may claim.I do get that …but they aren’t out anything. They sold a ticket to JFK and got paid for it -in their mind they’re out $100 because a bean counter told them so, but the fact remains that someone paid them what they asked. What the passenger does with the ticket is the passenger’s business …they don’t have to fly at all if they choose. I’m just saying there is no chance an airline wins a case like this -ever. They can write all the mumbo jumbo they want into their rules …it’s all meant to discourage, not protect them in a court of law.
Maybe the kid checked in online or at an airport kiosk to get a boarding pass. The first meeting with airline employees may have been at the gate. TSA wouldn’t care where his ID was from as long as it was valid.ETA: This article (don't know if it's the same one I read before) said the gate agent became suspicious because of the teen's NC DL. Why is the gate agent asking to see ID? It shouldn't have been at the counter to check in luggage, because skiplagging doesn't work with checked luggage.
UPDATE!! I continued checking into prices and I’m thrilled to say that Iceland air had one way tickets for 535!! They don’t fly to my city so I have to fly to NYC and then get a cheap flight home but that’s no big deal. I even ended up splurging and paying 750 for their fully refundable ticket. Added bonus with the money I’m saving on flights we’re doing a 2 night layover in Iceland!! I’m assuming this is why they offer their flights cheaper (to get people to come to Iceland) I’m so excited!! When I was seeing all the major airlines with one way prices of 2500 per person I was freaking out!!What @luvsvacation is talking about is something slightly but completely different, throwaway ticketing. Historically it has always been cheaper to book roundtrip than two separate one way flights. Usually the price difference aren't as drastic as what was posted but does happen. What I suspect happened with those specific flights is they were looked at very close to when they were made available for sale. And no discounted one way fares were loaded into the system yet. If you look again in a few months I would bet that the difference will not be nearly as much as what was seen. I highly doubt anyone on this board would pay full fare transatlantic Y unless they really had to get there right now.
An airline isn't going to sue anyone for skiplagging, the reason it's in the CoC is so that you can't sue the airline if they refuse to board you, refuse to let you book again or take away your FF points.
Maybe the kid checked in online or at an airport kiosk to get a boarding pass. The first meeting with airline employees may have been at the gate. TSA wouldn’t care where his ID was from as long as it was valid.
OT but your post reminded me of a trip we planned to London back in 2007.A big part of your problem is flying into London, or anywhere in the UK, actually. The UK has insanely high arrival/departure taxes for international flights, in fact, there are situations where the taxes are higher than the fare itself. Price out flying your international leg out of another country and you may end up saving a LOT of money.
Maybe the ticket counter agent grew suspicious and called the gate agent to investigate further. Or software flagged it for “skipping” Charlotte with a NC driver’s license.My reading is that he actually checked in at the counter (traditionally called the "ticket counter") where he provided his reservation and North Carolina driver license.
Maybe the ticket counter agent grew suspicious and called the gate agent to investigate further. Or software flagged it for “skipping” Charlotte with a NC driver’s license.
In any event, I doubt the kid was “detained” in the sense that the father claimed.
So if someone feels ill and doesn't want to continue on with the journey, they have to anyhow? Or gets an emergency call to turn around and fly home immediately, they can't? Or the plane seats are so narrow and close together that the passenger gets claustrophobia and just needs to bolt and take a train instead? They have to continue their itinerary?
H'mmm...
If you notify the airline in such situations it’s almost always OK. As long as you don’t make a habit of getting sick or having emergencies before the second legs of connecting itineraries.So if someone feels ill and doesn't want to continue on with the journey, they have to anyhow? Or gets an emergency call to turn around and fly home immediately, they can't? Or the plane seats are so narrow and close together that the passenger gets claustrophobia and just needs to bolt and take a train instead? They have to continue their itinerary?
H'mmm...