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[Notrealname]

First US results in:
Of those that were given Hydroxychloroquin with Z Pak, 20% of patients died. Of those that did not, 11% died.
Small study, not peer reviewed . . . but then again the reports that got this treatment touted were even less stringent.

 

[Christine]

First US results in:
Of those that were given Hydroxychloroquin with Z Pak, 20% of patients died. Of those that did not, 11% died.
Small study, not peer reviewed . . . but then again the reports that got this treatment touted were even less stringent.

It was good to read this latest study. While still not a clinical trial, it's a little bit better than some of the early observations.

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2
Here's the link if anyone wants to read it.

 

[Ben E N]

Hopefully this helps end the silliness associated with this drug and Covid, and people who actually need it to treat Lupus can begin to easily get it again soon.
Let's hope another false hope isn't pushed by anybody without some actual scientific evidence to back it.

 

[JoeA]

It is my understanding that those who were given "hydro" were the most critical of patients so it would be reasonable that you see a much higher death rate.

 

[DisneyDreaminDee]

It is my understanding that those who were given "hydro" were the most critical of patients so it would be reasonable that you see a much higher death rate.

It is my understanding that those who were given "hydro" were the most critical of patients so it would be reasonable that you see a much higher death rate.

IDK Tom Hank's wife was given it and she certainly never seemed critical and she said that the side effects from that med were much worse than what she had been dealing with with Covid.

 

[siren0119]

It is my understanding that those who were given "hydro" were the most critical of patients so it would be reasonable that you see a much higher death rate.

Do you have any links regarding that? I read the abstract on the actual study (not just the news article about it) and I did not see anything in the abstract indicating that kind of difference in the patient array.

 

[PRINCESS Sweet Pea]

I have looked into this too! I know two people with Lupus. I don't think I would trust any one study. The thing is that there is a big difference in these two similar drugs. It looks like you have to have the right one, and you have to take it before you get really bad. High doses of the original chloroquine can have some real side effects! Like Tom Hank's wife. She also said that is when her fever went away. But the newer one is taken by a ton of people all the time with no problems. But this drug isn't going to help if it is to late. I saw a specialist who prescribes this to a ton of patients with things like lupus. They don't have bad side effects or die. He said it is all about how and how early you get the two drugs. I heard that in most places you can only get this if you are checked into a hospital. If you can only get it when you go into the hospital already with really bad breathing problems. that might be too late. But many people are saying even then, it saved them.

 

[Notrealname]

It is my understanding that those who were given "hydro" were the most critical of patients so it would be reasonable that you see a much higher death rate.

Your understanding is incorrect. Patients were not truly randomized but were matched.

 

[MillauFr]

I can't believe people keep falling for this nonsense spouted off by people who continue to lie and deceive. I guess it just proves the old adage....

It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

First US results in:
Of those that were given Hydroxychloroquin with Z Pak, 20% of patients died. Of those that did not, 11% died.
Small study, not peer reviewed . . . but then again the reports that got this treatment touted were even less stringent.

Dadgummit. I told them to use Dis Doctors. But they wouldn't listen.

 

[undertheradar]

Now if we only had the political leanings of the "celebrities" to have an accurate depiction. Remember, Hanks and wife were treated in Australia, and with accommodations that Australian citizens were not able to receive.

As for these non-certified studies, too many are hoping for failure, rather than hoping for a positive result.

 

[MillauFr]

Now if we only had the political leanings of the "celebrities" to have an accurate depiction. Remember, Hanks and wife were treated in Australia, and with accommodations that Australian citizens were not able to receive.

The rich and powerful never play by the same rules or get the same treatment the rest of us do.

 

[Arym]

That study implies that hydroxychloroquine harmed the patients so much that they died. That is ridiculous. It is not a dangerous medication for most people and has been widely praised by many doctors who are using the hydroxy, azythromycin, and zinc.
In the study referenced here, "About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival."
No doctors that I've seen have suggested hydroxy without azythromycin works, many/most say zinc must also be added; that they hydroxy attacks the virus so as to allow the zinc to get inside it and finish it off.
If anyone in our family gets Covid-19, we have all agreed to go on hydroxy, azythromycin, and zinc. No second thoughts at all.

 

[DWIsMyHappyPlace]

Anyone else read information about studies into treating Covid-19 like they do High Altitude Sickness...?

 

[HeatherC]

IDK Tom Hank's wife was given it and she certainly never seemed critical and she said that the side effects from that med were much worse than what she had been dealing with with Covid.

She also said her fever broke right after getting it. So she couldn’t be sure if it helped or not.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

That study implies that hydroxychloroquine harmed the patients so much that they died. That is ridiculous. It is not a dangerous medication for most people and has been widely praised by many doctors

I read it can cause arrhythmia and other heart issues?

 

[Arym]

I read it can cause arrhythmia and other heart issues?

Yes, I have read that but I've also read information from multiple doctors that it is extremely unlikely to do so with short-term use.

 

[Arym]

It is my understanding that those who were given "hydro" were the most critical of patients so it would be reasonable that you see a much higher death rate.

After reading the study, I see that the patients' information was looked back on and classified. In other words, they studied records. Some doctors may have been reluctant to prescribe hydroxy until the patients were in very bad condition which could greatly skew the results.

 

[tvguy]

IDK Tom Hank's wife was given it and she certainly never seemed critical and she said that the side effects from that med were much worse than what she had been dealing with with Covid.

I have no idea if this works, but chemotherapy is a common cancer treatment and it kills some of those people. And I know more than one person who had chemo who said they wish they hadn't had it, it was worse than the cancer and may not have increased their chances of survival.
We have been using chemotherapy for cancer for almost 80 years.
Coronavirus Covid 19 has been know to us for what, about 6 months? We have a lot to learn about the virus and it's treatment.

 

[bcla]

Now if we only had the political leanings of the "celebrities" to have an accurate depiction. Remember, Hanks and wife were treated in Australia, and with accommodations that Australian citizens were not able to receive.

They've made claims that they were treated with the same medical care that any Australian would have given their condition coming in. They spent most of their time self-quarantining in their hotel room.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237909897020207104