Which headliners most susceptible to hurricane damage?

[JerseyJanice]

Forgot to attach the quote. I disagree that this thread is morbid. I understand the seriousness of the situation. But also don't think that means this subject is taboo or insensitive to discuss.

I obviously have no right to tell people what to discuss, and I will respectively bow out of this thread after this post.

For me, imagining which structures in my beloved Disney World are most likely to be damaged would be a very depressing thing to do.

I just don't want to go there with my mind.

 

[chartle]

1. like in magic kingdom on main street - the construction false front...no way is that going to stand up to a hurricane....

2. and all over WDW, there is tons of construction going on (road/bridge work etc)..that stuffs going to fly all over the place..

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1. not really they are the fronts of 2 story buildings. Not sure about DHS areas but not even sure whats still there. I haven"t been to WDW in 3 and half years.

2. But yes I see this as a bigger problem since while the finished product is built to a certain level of protection during construction stuff is usually just piled all over the place.

 

[Lalalyn]

As the person who started this thread, it was in no way meant to be morbid. Love Disney beyond words.

And if I had started it with no hurricane in sight, that would be odd. But, now that there is more certainty as to what Florida will face, it seems reasonable to know.

We have a trip booked for the end of October. I was thinking additional attractions might be down and was curious which ones those are more likely to be.

And also, I'm curious what folks think about Disney's speed in re-building a damaged attraction versus building a new attraction? I'd think they would throw resources above and beyond to re-build anything damaged. On top of that, while Florida will have as its priority to make sure people are safe and schools are re-built etc., I'd also expect them to speed up any permits etc. for Disney to keep bringing in those tax dollars -- which can then be used for said schools and roads.

 

[fractalpotato]

I obviously have no right to tell people what to discuss, and I will respectively bow out of this thread after this post.

For me, imagining which structures in my beloved Disney World are most likely to be damaged would be a very depressing thing to do.

I just don't want to go there with my mind.

I totally get that, each person has different ways of reacting to stressors, it's totally fair to feel that way, and I don't think anyone had a problem with your feelings of morbidity. I think it was more of a semi-joking way of coping with the stress of the hurricane. For all the data I have telling me I'm very likely to be safe, I'm still nervous, and deferring back to my engineering mind certainly helps. I personally did not take offense at your statement, though I personally disagree with it. I know you're bowing out but I hope you don't feel bad about this, I don't think anyone here had a problem with your thoughts.

Matt

 

[Lilylogan]

I'm not worried- I'm sure disney has protocol for storms and builds structures with that in mind. Like someone else said- I'd say you'll see more down trees/torn up plants than an actual ride damaged.

 

[chartle]

I'd also expect them to speed up any permits etc. for Disney to keep bringing in those tax dollars

Well with the RCID Disney writes its own permits, but I really can't imagine, ok sort of hoping, that any attraction will be down for any substantial amount of time. I'm going to assume it going to mostly be cosmetic damage and clean up.

Here is a a video from a former CM explaining what Disney does to prepare for a storm.

 

[akadada]

Mother nature doesn't care about protocols. We can't control nature no matter what we think. Army Core of Engineers exist under that concept and they frequently meet their match. Read John McPhee's Control of Nature if this interests you. He was well ahead of his time.

Depending on the strength of the storm, many things are at risk simply because 115+ gusts are partially to completely destructive to most man-made developments.

There's a larger risk that all the new development could be pushed back in terms of launch dates such as Toystory land and Star Wars. We had a major catastrophic event happen at a major league stadium near us years ago and it pushed opening day off an entire year.

 

[Gizmo1951]

Great Info

 

[CAS239]

I'm going to assume that Characters in Flight is going to have to be deflated. Not amount of tethers can hold it down and it just one big target.

It's been completely removed

 

[princessjadesmom]

Might I ask where? I'm asking because the forecast data I've seen predicts it to be a Cat 1/2 barely when it's in this region. I'm watching obsessively because I'm riding it out in Davenport and I've never once seen a forecast for this area breach Cat 2 but I've got concerned relatives telling me I'm about to get Maleficent-slapped by a Cat 5 storm and I don't understand why they think that.

Matt

According to this model from FOX it will be a 3 when it hits Orlando.

 

[JerseyJanice]

I totally get that, each person has different ways of reacting to stressors, it's totally fair to feel that way, and I don't think anyone had a problem with your feelings of morbidity. I think it was more of a semi-joking way of coping with the stress of the hurricane. For all the data I have telling me I'm very likely to be safe, I'm still nervous, and deferring back to my engineering mind certainly helps. I personally did not take offense at your statement, though I personally disagree with it. I know you're bowing out but I hope you don't feel bad about this, I don't think anyone here had a problem with your thoughts.

Matt

I know I said I would back out of this thread, but I got an alert link that you quoted me and I just followed it.

I want to thank you for your kind and respectful post.

I totally appreciate that all of us deal with stress in different ways.

 

[Jennasis]

I wonder if all this will have them reconsidering the gondola system.

 

[CAS239]

I wonder if all this will have them reconsidering the gondola system.

I doubt it.

Really they just have to make the supporting beams strong enough to withstand Cat 5 hurricanes, which any new building is required, so that won't be hard. And then a structure to house the cars when not in use

 

[purplefern]

Well with the RCID Disney writes its own permits, but I really can't imagine, ok sort of hoping, that any attraction will be down for any substantial amount of time. I'm going to assume it going to mostly be cosmetic damage and clean up.

Here is a a video from a former CM explaining what Disney does to prepare for a storm.

That video was interesting, thanks.

 

[fractalpotato]

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According to this model from FOX it will be a 3 when it hits Orlando.

I'm not sure how much faith I put in to Fox, nor how old this model is, but the latest and greatest from NOAA (link here: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClic...7&textField2=-81.3742&site=all&unit=0&dd=&bw=) put's the winds at a peak of 61mph gusting to 75mph, which, according to the Saffir-Simpson scale (see link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir-Simpson_Hurricane_Scale) is actually a strong tropical storm flirting with hurricane status. I'm hopeful that more people look at local forecast data straight from the scientists instead of the news coverage because I'm getting really irritated with the way the news is sensationalizing this storm and making everything seem worse. It makes it harder for people in greater danger to know exactly what to expect and causes relatively safe people to panic and overreact, all in the name of selling commercial time.

Matt

 

[Fangorn]

I'm not sure how much faith I put in to Fox, nor how old this model is, but the latest and greatest from NOAA (link here: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClic...7&textField2=-81.3742&site=all&unit=0&dd=&bw=) put's the winds at a peak of 61mph gusting to 75mph, which, according to the Saffir-Simpson scale (see link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir-Simpson_Hurricane_Scale) is actually a strong tropical storm flirting with hurricane status. I'm hopeful that more people look at local forecast data straight from the scientists instead of the news coverage because I'm getting really irritated with the way the news is sensationalizing this storm and making everything seem worse. It makes it harder for people in greater danger to know exactly what to expect and causes relatively safe people to panic and overreact, all in the name of selling commercial time.

Matt

If Orlando gets 61mph winds and gusts up to 75mph, then that's pretty much the same as Matthew last year. We were there at the Poly for that. There was some debris around (which was cleaned up in a couple of hours), but no damage to anything.

I'm certainly not minimizing the seriousness of Irma and the potential for destruction wherever Irma hits, but I agree that the national news makes far more of these events than is necessary to keep people informed. "Possible" is not the same as "probable", let alone, "likely". Local authorities have a much better handle on things and the obligation to keep people as safe and up to date as possible, than some corporate news organization a thousand miles away that's just trying to fill air time and keep viewers glued to the TV.

With Matthew, we had friends calling and texting us from home (Pacific Northwest) panicked that we were going to die based on the coverage at home. Most of what they told us was being reported was either old speculation or just plain wrong. And we couldn't convince them otherwise, even though we were the ones in the situation. It was just unreal. And the thing is, we actually get hurricane-force winds in Oregon (80-100mph is not uncommon) so these folks know firsthand what major storms are. But then they're not called "hurricanes" and aren't named storms by NOAA. They're just "winter storms" and come in December.

Sorry for the ramble.

Steve

 

[chartle]

Thinking back on this I would think the water parks will probably fair the worst with how open they are and how much stuff they have to put away and bring back out.

 

[Davey Jones II]

really? i heard cat 4..

i'm wondering about all the construction structures..

like in magic kingdom on main street - the construction false front...no way is that going to stand up to a hurricane....

and all over WDW, there is tons of construction going on (road/bridge work etc)..
that stuffs going to fly all over the place..

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Cat 4 when it hits the Florida coast, but the forecast is down to 2 when it goes through Orlando.

 

[JenniBarra]

I wonder if they will take down the Halloween decorations.. since they are not permanent fixtures, they may not be secure enough to withstand the storm.

I just saw a video today that was prep work being done at Epcot. Banners, canopies, flags, etc. were all being removed. They had also pulled things like Italy's gondolas. I would imagine anything that can't be tethered down is being removed all together.

 

[DebbieB]

Disney has been through this before, they know what to do.

I believe during Charlie, AK stayed closed longer than the others due to downed trees. I work in insurance and used to work on a country club program, downed trees can be a big loss.