Disgusting guest behavior in Jungle Cruise line

[DeluxePrincess]

The part that would annoy me the most is them holding up the line. I've seen people change diapers on their table tops at full service WDW restaurants and I was far more grossed out by that.

 

[cmrew]

So we were in WDW last week and we observed a mom changing a poopy diaper in the FP line at the Jungle Cruise.

Not let me set the stage because this was NOT some oops some accident that happened when she was in line and had been waiting for hours...not that would be acceptable either IMHO. You leave the line no matter what!

Ok my family approached the JC FP line. There was a mom, dad, maybe a 2yr old (could walk) and an older kid maybe 5 in front of us. They had NOT scanned their bands yet. In fact, they were holding up the line, pulling the 2yrold pants off. Dad then left the line. Mom then proceeded to hold up the line more by saying that she had lost the grandmothers and could they get on the ride with them later. The CM was kind of laughing at her story asking her what she meant by lost. We tried to get around them to get on the ride but no luck.

Suddenly the grandmas appeared and they scanned their bands, minus dad. We go through the line, dad now cuts through suddenly with the diaper bag. Mom then proceeds to hold up the line right before you scan again, lays the child btw her and a grandma and changes the diaper right then and there. And even though we tried to avert our look, we could tell it was a poopy diaper as we turned away. My DS12 was upset that everyone could see the kid's private parts and felt bad for the kid. The CM who was on the loading dock, told her that she should not be doing it there and there were more appropriate places to do this. Mom just said "oh no biggie, see I am done" The CM said that is not the point, it in unsanitary. The other CM standing next to her whispered "that's so gross" I have to agree. I think I saw mom put the diaper in the trash bin before you ride that sits out in the hot FL sun..ick. And I can not confirm or deny if she cleaned her hands with wipes or hand sanitizer. They then got on the ride.

Now I do not understand why she would not have gone and changed the child elsewhere...oh say the bathroom!!!! They had NOT scanned their bands, even if their FP was going to expire I bet instead of talking about lost grandmas, she could have asked the CM to allow them in AFTER they went to a proper place to change the child.

I posted this on Facebook and most thought this was disgusting but some actually did not see the big deal and claimed they have done it or would consider it, and some that slammed me for posting about it. Oh well!

What say you?

 

[Foltzyboy]

The part that would annoy me the most is them holding up the line. I've seen people change diapers on their table tops at full service WDW restaurants and I was far more grossed out by that.

And with that, my meal would've been right back up on the table

 

[cmrew]

People are just wierd. I've been 17 times since 2008 and have surely seen all kinds of behavior. We should all have a modicum of propriety in such a place as Disney World. That is not acceptable behavior period! You have a fast pass just leave and take care of business and come back. Tell a cast member. They take care of all of us. BTW I don't care if you are used to changing diapers or not as you can see I have two boys. It is rude and inconsiderate. And YES call out unacceptable behavior at our parks. I feel like part of the family when I go. Cast members make me feel that way! Soon as I save enough money, definitely going again!

 

[GaryDis]

Actually, no, trash cans are NOT the place to dispose of fecal material. Goes into the trash, goes into a landfill, slowly leaks into the soil and into our groundwater. That is NOT what we do with fecal material.

We need to flush fecal material.

Where for many people, it goes into the septic tank and then into the groundwater.

I agree with your sentiment, but for different reasons. It just isn't fair to the poor people emptying the trash cans, while the smell continues to emanate where other park guests can be disgusted.

In my previous town, the landfill, prior to closing, had an impermeable liner allowing the town to control where the effluent went, so that it could be treated. The main concern was chemicals pollution, including the impact of nitrates on the rivers and streams, and I suppose biological waste could be a source. Disposable diapers were certainly put into the landfill, and you're never going to get all the solid waste off it (even if you could police such a requirement). Given all the wildlife, the idea of telling people to stop putting their used kitty litter into the trash would have been laughed out of town meeting.

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

People are just wierd. I've been 17 times since 2008 and have surely seen all kinds of behavior. We should all have a modicum of propriety in such a place as Disney World. That is not acceptable behavior period! You have a fast pass just leave and take care of business and come back. Tell a cast member. They take care of all of us. BTW I don't care if you are used to changing diapers or not as you can see I have two boys. It is rude and inconsiderate. And YES call out unacceptable behavior at our parks. I feel like part of the family when I go. Cast members make me feel that way! Soon as I save enough money, definitely going again!

Agree with you. I actually would have been livid if I would have been stuck behind this woman who was changing diapers right in front of the world to see. I don't want to see it or smell it. It's so rude that I'm a little shocked that some seem okay with this behavior.

 

[sam_gordon]

Actually, no, trash cans are NOT the place to dispose of fecal material. Goes into the trash, goes into a landfill, slowly leaks into the soil and into our groundwater. That is NOT what we do with fecal material.

We need to flush fecal material.

Pampers and Huggies move things around, but I just found it on the Australian Huggies site: https://www.huggies.com.au/nappies/huggies-nappies/nappy-change/changing-your-newborn-nappies

"Remember if there are any solids in the nappy, dispose of these in the toilet."

THAT is what we do with fecal matter from a diaper. I don't want poop in the groundwater of a generation or two from now.

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone putting poop from a disposable diaper in the toilet. I'm sure it's done, but I don't remember ever hearing about it or seeing it. Regarding the bolded, what's your plan for keeping animal poop out of the groundwater? There's been poop in the ground for centuries.

 

[KateP85]

I can't believe so many people are ok with this!!!

When there is nowhere else to change a baby, you find a discreet place and make sure to clean up. But every single bathroom at WDW has a changing station! Under no circumstances is the Jungle Cruise line the place to do it!

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

I can't believe so many people are ok with this!!!

When there is nowhere else to change a baby, you find a discreet place and make sure to clean up. But every single bathroom at WDW has a changing station! Under no circumstances is the Jungle Cruise line the place to do it!

Yup and I don't buy the excuse that the grandmas wouldn't have been able to find them. It's a ridiculous notion that in the year 2015 that couldn't be coordinated via a simple text or phone call "Hey Grandma Ginny, we had to run to the restroom, meet you at Jungle Cruise in 5 min."

 

[mylittlebuttercup]

Yeah, as a mother of a two-year old, I still think that is disgusting and a sanitation hazard. There is no excuse, especially considering how the cast members will usually work with you. For instance, our DS pooped in line at the Magic Carpets in Adventureland in November. We knew no one, including us, wants to stand in line with a stinky kid, so we spoke to the CM; he let my husband leave the line to go to the bathroom and change my son while I kept our spot. If he hadn't or if it had been a harder line to rejoin (inside queue), we would have all just left the line.

 

[mylittlebuttercup]

After changing countless diapers, you just become immune to your surroundings and go with it.

No...just no...

Nope, no big deal to me and I don't understand the big deal about putting it in the trash can either. That's what they're for.

Mmmm...the smell of fresh-baked poop in the ninety degree Florida sun...gives the Jungle Cruise a sort of authenticity, like you can actually smell the true scent of the animals. ;-) Yeah, no problem , no problem at all!

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

Mmmm...the smell of fresh-baked poop in the ninety degree Florida sun...gives the Jungle Cruise a sort of authenticity, like you can actually smell the true scent of the animals. ;-) Yeah, no problem , no problem at all!

Imagine after the new Jungle Cruise restaurant opens. Wouldn't that be a nice sweet treat to get a whiff of that deliciousness?

 

[PollyannaMom]

When DS was little, There were many times that I changed him in the stroller in an out-of-the-way place. (Honestly, that was probably more sanitary for him than some changing tables we used.) But I certainly wouldn't have picked this particular spot - not because baby parts are so scandalous, but just because it's gross, and holds up everyone else.

So I do think the mother made a mistake in this case, but I guess I can see how she might have gotten flustered. She was already having trouble finding family members, and probably at the end of her FP window. (Having to plan your three rides months in advance, I can see being really afraid to lose one.) - Since it is a computer scanner and not a paper ticket, can the CM's really give an exception for her to go change the baby elsewhere?

Anyway, I do agree that it's gross, but I probably would have forgotten about it by halfway through the ride, unless I saw the family again later in the day.

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

Anyway, I do agree that it's gross, but I probably would have forgotten about it by halfway through the ride, unless I saw the family again later in the day.

I bet they would have stuck out like a sore thumb if you saw them in front of you at a lunch or dinner buffet later that day

 

[PollyannaMom]

I bet they would have stuck out like a sore thumb if you saw them in front of you at a lunch or dinner buffet later that day

Yep, I'd have been pulling out the hand gel then!

But I was thinking more along the lines of if we just saw them in the crowd, we probably would have nudged each other and whispered. (I wouldn't have still been thinking about after we came home, though.)

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

Meh. Doesn't bother me at all, as a parent I've seen almost everything. it would have been better if someone had held up a blanket to shield the kid from view, but maybe they didn't have an extra one. You say that you're sure that the CMs would have honored the fast pass, but did they ever offer that as an option? If my 5 year old desperately wanted to ride Jungle Cruise, if that was one of the only things my kid wanted to do, I would absolutely do the same thing. Well, actually, Jungle Cruise isn't my favorite ride, probably I'd have looked for a bathroom while the rest of the family rode. Point is, Disney is a family place, the majority of the riders in the line were parents and i can't believe that many had an issue with a diaper change. Now, I'd be grumbling about the family holding up the line, I think it's ignorant when people act like their time is more valuable than mine.

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

If my 5 year old desperately wanted to ride Jungle Cruise, if that was one of the only things my kid wanted to do, I would absolutely do the same thing.

Well I'm in my 30s. What if I desperately wanted to ride Jungle Cruise? Can I pull out a water bottle and just take a whiz in it right there by the FP+ entrance?

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

Well I'm in my 30s. What if I desperately wanted to ride Jungle Cruise? Can I pull out a water bottle and just take a whiz in it right there by the FP+ entrance?

Generally there is a difference between child nudity and body functions and adult nudity and body functions. The mother wouldn't be arrested for changing her child's diaper in line at Disney World. I'm guessing you could be arrested if you exposed yourself in front of children, or at the very least expelled from the park.

My point was, I think the majority of adults in any of the Disney Parks are parents, and have seen a child's diaper being changed. That's not what I have a problem with. I have a problem with holding up the line. I think the CMs on the ride could have handled it better. Why didn't they offer to hold the family's fp time so that mom or dad could change the diaper without inconveniencing the other guests? When I said I'd do the same thing (change the diaper in line) I meant that I would do that if the CMs had said they wouldn't hold our fp, it was a busy day, and my 5 year old desperately wanted to ride this ride. The family probably paid a premium to stay on Disney property for the convenience of utilizing fast pass during a busy season, just like you did, they have the same right to be there as you, and I think anyone who takes issue with a toddler's diaper being changed at Disney world should think about where they are. You are in a park created for children and families; sure, anyone can enjoy the park but Walt's intention was to create a park for children and families--this isn't a thrill park for adults. I have changed a diaper on the fly many, many times. You'd be amazed at how nasty those changing stations in restrooms can be, I've changed my kids' diapers while holding them on my knees and crouching on the floor of a nasty, gross bathroom, one handed--I could have done the same thing in that line, and it only would have taken me a minute or two, especially with other family members to assist me.

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

Why didn't they offer to hold the family's fp time so that mom or dad could change the diaper without inconveniencing the other guests?

Are we assuming that the FP+ was on the verge of expiring and they had to swipe ASAP before it expired? I think this is a rash assumption. I think the more likely scenario was that the grandma's wouldn't know where to find them which I don't buy at all. The mom could have gone with the baby to the changing room while the rest of the party stood at the BACK of the FP+ entrance waiting for them. Guys this really isn't that hard to figure out. Honestly, sometimes the way people try to solve problems is truly mind boggling at times.

When I said I'd do the same thing (change the diaper in line) I meant that I would do that if the CMs had said they wouldn't hold our fp, it was a busy day, and my 5 year old desperately wanted to ride this ride. The family probably paid a premium to stay on Disney property for the convenience of utilizing fast pass during a busy season, just like you did, they have the same right to be there as you.

Paying a premium doesn't entitle someone to inconvenience other guests. They have the same rights as me as long as they're following the rules. If traveling with a baby, there should be some additional planning done knowing that an accident or two may occur. Getting to the ride at the last minute (if this is what indeed occurred), swiping band, and then changing diaper right there in front of the line is unacceptable. And not just from blocking the line but also it's pig like behavior. You go in private and take care of one's bodily functions. I don't need to see it or smell it.

... and I think anyone who takes issue with a toddler's diaper being changed at Disney world should think about where they
are.

Earlier you said that the family probably paid a premium to stay on property and they have the same rights as me. So don't I have the same rights as them? Why should they they get to inconvenience me? I didn't pay money to see diapers being changed in front of my face nor have to take a whiff of it.

...but Walt's intention was to create a park for children and families

Let's not even go there because I can assure that Walt would be absolutely appalled if he was walking through the park seeing mothers changing diapers at the front of ride lines.

You'd be amazed at how nasty those changing stations in restrooms can be, I've changed my kids' diapers while holding them on my knees and crouching on the floor of a nasty, gross bathroom, one handed.

Then that's something you need to take up with Disney management. Someone just doesn't suddenly get to make their own etiquette rules because they don't like something.

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

Are we assuming that the FP+ was on the verge of expiring and they had to swipe ASAP before it expired? I think this is a rash assumption. I think the more likely scenario was that the grandma's wouldn't know where to find them which I don't buy at all. The mom could have gone with the baby to the changing room while the rest of the party stood at the BACK of the FP+ entrance waiting for them. Guys this really isn't that hard to figure out. Honestly, sometimes the way people try to solve problems is truly mind boggling at times.



Paying a premium doesn't entitle someone to inconvenience other guests. They have the same rights as me as long as they're following the rules. If traveling with a baby, there should be some additional planning done knowing that an accident or two may occur. Getting to the ride at the last minute (if this is what indeed occurred), swiping band, and then changing diaper right there in front of the line is unacceptable. And not just from blocking the line but also it's pig like behavior. You go in private and take care of one's bodily functions. I don't need to see it or smell it.



Earlier you said that the family probably paid a premium to stay on property and they have the same rights as me. So don't I have the same rights as them? Why should they they get to inconvenience me? I didn't pay money to see diapers being changed in front of my face nor have to take a whiff of it.



Let's not even go there because I can assure that Walt would be absolutely appalled if he was walking through the park seeing mothers changing diapers at the front of ride lines.



Then that's something you need to take up with Disney management. Someone just doesn't suddenly get to make their own etiquette rules because they don't like something.

If you're visiting a park that attracts guests that still wear diapers, you're going to smell poop occasionally. Please don't compare that to an adult, kids who have no control over their body functions get a pass, that's something that is generally accepted in our society. If the smell offends you that badly you should probably rethink your vacation spot. As for the sight of it, why would you look if it bothers you? As I said, you are in a FAMILY park. Young children soil their pants, you do what needs to be done and go about your day. Parents with young children tend to get desensitized to the whole procedure, since they might change a dozen or more diapers per day, it's so commonplace that they don't even think about it any more. it's an automatic, reflex, muscle memory type thing, which is exactly what I would think if I witnessed the same thing. the whole process of having and raising children is undignified.

I can't speak to the cleanliness of Disney's changing stations as I've never changed a diaper on one--because taking a child that isn't potty trained to Disney World sounds like way too much headache. Maybe I'll be able to go my whole life without that experience, since my kids are beyond diapers.

I can completely agree that the parents weren't entitled to inconvenience the other guests. As I said, they should not have held the line like they did. My only problem with the situation is that they rudely held up the line, I don't find a parent changing a dirty diaper to be rude, nor does it inconvenience me in any way. Is a mother breastfeeding offensive to you as well? that's a body function too. I don't understand how grown adults can have such hissy fits about parents caring for their kids, or expect that children should only be tended to in quiet, out of the way places. Life becomes infinitely harder once you have kids, and each additional kid adds an extra layer of difficulty. You suggesting that parents can always avoid situations like this with better planning seems to confirm that you don't have any kids yet, am I correct? Kids are nothing if not inconvenient. They say or do the darndest things, generally at the least convenient and most embarrassing time.

Not really sure why we are arguing about this, apparently the parents in question weren't breaking any rules, since the CMs didn't feel the need to call security. Also, I agreed with you that the parents were rude in holding up the line, that shouldn't have happened, but you don't know what was going on with that family and having a little bit of tolerance for others will save you some stress in life. Let it roll off your back, it's ok, society doesn't revolve around you and occasionally you will be inconvenienced for no other reason than people are inherently selfish creatures. Spending time stressing about it is silly.