Boycotting the Oscars

I think lots of people use the term "Hollowood" to refer to the institutionalize standard & the state of mind. There are outliers such as the Netflix & independent makers that offer a different version from what's on the big networks. Still not enough diversity, I'm not holding Netflix up as a paragon; more as a step in a different direction and people are gobbling it up in droves

All I'm saying is that just because something is not on the big networks, it doesn't make it independent. A lot of what's now on the "outliers" is just as much a big studio production as the stuff that's on primetime networks.
 
I apologize for not understanding your point, but your reference to Precious is confusing me. Precious was directed by Lee Daniels and produced by Oprah Winfrey.


I don't know how to explain it further than to say the work displays a point of view that these issues are alien to 'White America' and the realities are an alternative
 
All I'm saying is that just because something is not on the big networks, it doesn't make it independent. A lot of what's now on the "outliers" is just as much a big studio production as the stuff that's on primetime networks.

There is an undeniable 'normal' range we see every day on TV & in print etc and that range is deeply alienating & offensive to many- it's a look, a way of life and a state of mind that is manufactured and yet has come to define us. Outliers of that 'socially accepted norm' are 'independent' from that 'norm'. The outliers result from creativity & free expression being adopted within the industry, no doubt but probably resulting from a changing of the guard so to speak but a still just drop in the ocean not nearly enough. When it happens the audience responds
 
My perspective is coming from being a black actress myself. I think the problems Jada is referring to start way at the bottom (ie: my level of acting). There aren't many roles for actors of color in mainstream tv/film. I have been a SAG member for over twenty years, and usually ( as in about 90% of the time) get called to audition for roles that say "African-American" female, which many times means they want someone jolly, laughing, dancing or talking about some minority issue. My AA counterparts feel the same way. The white actresses in my area get called in for anything that says "female", so they are given more opportunities than black actresses.

Which leads to writers - if AA actors are only going to be called to audition for roles that say "AA", then more roles need to be written for us in mainstream projects. And for that to happen, there probably need to be more people of color doing the writing for these projects (as in becoming members of the Writer's Guild). But also, maybe people of color need to be called in to audition for roles that don't stipulate a specific color. That involves the casting directors.

From what I understand. The "Academy" isn't very diverse, so that can be an issue as well (not sure how you get to be in the "Academy" though).

All that being said, I do believe that Jada's rant was fueled by Will not getting a nomination (I didn't see the movie, but I'm not too fond of Will doing dramatic work- but I did enjoy Pursuit of Happyness). I feel that boycotting the Oscars is her way of gathering attention to the issue, which it has done apparently.

Janet Hubert (aka Aunt Viv) made some valid points (even though she is still bitter, which I feel is warranted because she has been blacklisted in the industry because of her feud with Will).
 
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My perspective is coming from being a black actress myself. I think the problems that Jada is talking about starts way at the bottom (ie: my level of acting). There aren't many roles for actors of color in mainstream tv/film. I have been a SAG member for over twenty years, and usually ( as in about 90% of the time) get called to audition for roles that say "African-American" female, which many times means they want someone jolly, laughing, dancing or talking about some minority issue. My AA counterparts feel the same way. The white actresses in my area get called in for anything that says "female", so they are given more opportunities than black actresses.

Which leads to writers - if AA actors are only going to be called to audition for roles that say "AA", then more roles need to be written for us in mainstream projects. And for that to happen, there probably need to be more people of color doing the writing for these projects (as in becoming members of the Writer's Guild). But also, maybe people of color need to be called in to audition for roles that don't stipulate a specific color. That involves the casting directors.

From what I understand. The "Academy" isn't very diverse, so that can be an issue as well (not sure how you get to be in the "Academy" though).

All that being said, I do believe that Jada's rant was fueled by Will not getting a nomination (I didn't see the movie, but I'm not too fond of Will doing dramatic work- but I did enjoy Pursuit of Happyness). I feel that boycotting the Oscars is her way of gathering attention to the issue, which it has done apparently.

Janet Hubert (aka Aunt Viv) made some valid points (even though she is still bitter, which I feel is warranted because she has been blacklisted in the industry because of her feud with Will).

Just a question out of curiosity--is it the same way for AA men? Can they audition for anything that says "male" or is it only if it says "AA male"?
 
My perspective is coming from being a black actress myself. I think the problems that Jada is talking about starts way at the bottom (ie: my level of acting). There aren't many roles for actors of color in mainstream tv/film. I have been a SAG member for over twenty years, and usually ( as in about 90% of the time) get called to audition for roles that say "African-American" female, which many times means they want someone jolly, laughing, dancing or talking about some minority issue. My AA counterparts feel the same way. The white actresses in my area get called in for anything that says "female", so they are given more opportunities than black actresses.

Being as I have no knowledge of the acting profession, how does this "calling" work? Is this a problem with your agent? Are these not open auditions? Don't actors just go to auditions for roles as opposed to getting called by a casting director? Seriously, how does this work? I've got no clue.
 
My perspective is coming from being a black actress myself. I think the problems that Jada is talking about starts way at the bottom (ie: my level of acting). There aren't many roles for actors of color in mainstream tv/film. I have been a SAG member for over twenty years, and usually ( as in about 90% of the time) get called to audition for roles that say "African-American" female, which many times means they want someone jolly, laughing, dancing or talking about some minority issue. My AA counterparts feel the same way. The white actresses in my area get called in for anything that says "female", so they are given more opportunities than black actresses.

Which leads to writers - if AA actors are only going to be called to audition for roles that say "AA", then more roles need to be written for us in mainstream projects. And for that to happen, there probably need to be more people of color doing the writing for these projects (as in becoming members of the Writer's Guild). But also, maybe people of color need to be called in to audition for roles that don't stipulate a specific color. That involves the casting directors.

From what I understand. The "Academy" isn't very diverse, so that can be an issue as well (not sure how you get to be in the "Academy" though).

All that being said, I do believe that Jada's rant was fueled by Will not getting a nomination (I didn't see the movie, but I'm not too fond of Will doing dramatic work- but I did enjoy Pursuit of Happyness). I feel that boycotting the Oscars is her way of gathering attention to the issue, which it has done apparently.

Janet Hubert (aka Aunt Viv) made some valid points (even though she is still bitter, which I feel is warranted because she has been blacklisted in the industry because of her feud with Will).

See, THIS is something that makes sense. And I have no doubt it's a sincere frustration for you. I think the problem is Jada can't approach it from that angle because she'd have to acknowledge that Will's part possibly just wasn't that juicy or that (gulp) he possibly just didn't do it that well.
 
I think Ghandi was correct in suggesting one be the change they want to see in the world. I think women will do themselves an enormous service by writing parts for women that don't revolve around a man's orbit, instead depicting women using our inherent power to be and do things under our own agency and authority simply because that is our natural state of being. I also think there is a burden incumbent on African Americans who produce movies and television shows to write and make them inclusive and populated by everyone, demonstrating the truths and realities they feel white filmmakers are ignoring.
 
All I'm saying is that just because something is not on the big networks, it doesn't make it independent. A lot of what's now on the "outliers" is just as much a big studio production as the stuff that's on primetime networks.

For sure. They've figured out there's money to be made, they feel like the wind's blowing and they're making sure they're there to capture any dollars blowing that direction.
 
Being as I have no knowledge of the acting profession, how does this "calling" work? Is this a problem with your agent? Are these not open auditions? Don't actors just go to auditions for roles as opposed to getting called by a casting director? Seriously, how does this work? I've got no clue.

Most auditions are not open. Having an agent means your agent submits your resume and head shot for a role. The casting directors usually call the agents to say we want your clients X, Y, and Z to audition here are their time slots. So your agent could send your resume and head shot to a thousand roles that say female and then you may hear back from 5.

Some auditions may have an open "cattle call" addition but almost no one is hired through those. I'm more familiar with theater since that was what I was involved in but have been told film and television is the same. If you don't have an agent you could be sitting in a line for auditions for 8-10 hours just to have the assistant come out and say sorry we aren't seeing any one else today. In theater it is even harder if you aren't in the union because they have to give union actors the first go so they see actors with agents, then actors in the union, and then if they still haven't found a group for call backs or they have extra time they might see the non-union members.

Minority men and women both face the issue with what they get called back for more. As I pointed out earlier since Oscar Issac has the ability to be perceived as a "non-race" through his head shots he chose to drop his last name professionally. It opened up more roles for him and he wasn't just called back for the thug or the immigrant bestie. Many Jews do the same thing. They drop their very Jewish last name in order to appear more traditionally white. It is easier for people who aren't the status quo but look like the status quo to simply change their name to make the system work for them. It is much harder when you can't fit into the status quo because of your skin color. However, I still imagine David Oyelowo and Lupita Nyong'o were probably told at some point they should change their last names to make it easier for people to know their names. A unique name can help or hinder someone who is already having to break through the race barrier.
 
IMO, the problem with the Academy extends beyond potential racial bias, and its something that other group's and their awards have had to deal with recently. The two places that I'm familiar with is the Baseball Hall of Fame. There, the issue hasn't been surrounding race but whether or not people who play "modern" positions like the DH, relief pitchers and closers are "deserving" of being elected to the Hall of Fame and secondly, the steroid issue. The solution that Baseball came up with is that voters must have been active in the BBWAA in the last 10 years. 100 voters lost their privileges, and that group was predominately old, retired writers. And this year's votes definitely showed a marked change.

I don't know the exact makeup of the Academy voters, but a similar solution may be available. For years the complaints have been that the Academy is made up of old, white men and that the Oscars have become less relevant to younger people who see a growing disparity between performances they value vs this old guard. And that might benefit all actors whose roles or who themselves are viewed as non-traditional. This is a good reason why the makeup of the Hosts has been more "representative" over the last decade, because the ratings forced their hands. But it isn't enough to stop just at hosts.

The second place, isn't my "world," and I really don't know much about, except that I stumbled across a long article about it, several months back (I wish I knew which one, but google Hugo awards and puppygate and you'll find plenty). But apparently, the Sci-Fi writing community is struggling with it's white male conservative group of writers vs writers whose stories are more friendly to LGBT, females and people of color. The Hugo Awards became the focal point when a group who calls themselves Sad Puppies, and a 2nd group who calls themselves Rabid Puppies, orchestrated this year's ballot (block voting) to be more in tune with their politics, which meant white guys got nominated. Several popular authors, including George RR Martin spoke out. Unlike the Academy, it's easier to participate in Hugo voting, so membership swelled and this year's awards themselves turned out to be less controversial. But the groups who orchestrated the ballot plan to do the same next year.

Everywhere you look battles are being waged between so-called traditional and progressive values, with all the code words you can think of thrown in. This is another "symptom" and IMO, if people think this is just Jada's "sour grapes" aren't really paying attention to the rest of the world. People aren't perfect angels, no one. So there are going to be mistakes, injustices, biases etc everywhere. All we can do is strive to be better than before. And I don't see how we get there when, going in, we're looking to diminish, dismiss or subject the complaint raiser to "how perfect are *you*," tests. Obviously, Jada is sensitive to racial issues, but I think it's a mistake to think that the dissatisfaction is coming only about race. IMO, it's speaking to something bigger, and sometimes the words to describe don't come easy and it becomes easier to speak about just the racial component.

That's pretty much a complete misrepresentation of the Sad Puppies movement. They were protesting that the Hugo Awards were being nominated and awarded based on the Award board member's specific political agendas, not based on writing, story, or any true merit. They blacklisted writers simply based on their political thoughts, which caused many writers to go "under ground" with their thoughts in order to keep from being blacklisted. This year, the Sad Puppies slate of nominees was more diverse than the nominees being pushed by the board, with books that were entertaining and well written. It's similar to Gamergate, in that the Hugo awards board was trying to force a specific agenda for the writers, not the books, and that didn't really fly with those who read science fiction. Sad Puppies would actually be a great movement for those who want to try and change the Oscars to emulate.
 
My perspective is coming from being a black actress myself. I think the problems that Jada is talking about starts way at the bottom (ie: my level of acting). There aren't many roles for actors of color in mainstream tv/film. I have been a SAG member for over twenty years, and usually ( as in about 90% of the time) get called to audition for roles that say "African-American" female, which many times means they want someone jolly, laughing, dancing or talking about some minority issue. My AA counterparts feel the same way. The white actresses in my area get called in for anything that says "female", so they are given more opportunities than black actresses.

In your above quote, to me, it seems you would be afforded more opportunities then a white actress. If it calls for a female then anyone, AA or white (or any race) can audition. If they call for an AA female, then that means white actresses are ineligible to audition. So in a sense, you are afforded more opportunities then a white actress. Now if you feel white actresses are getting called in more often, then (to me), that is an issue with the agents.
 
I think Ghandi was correct in suggesting one be the change they want to see in the world. I think women will do themselves an enormous service by writing parts for women that don't revolve around a man's orbit, instead depicting women using our inherent power to be and do things under our own agency and authority simply because that is our natural state of being. I also think there is a burden incumbent on African Americans who produce movies and television shows to write and make them inclusive and populated by everyone, demonstrating the truths and realities they feel white filmmakers are ignoring.

Thank you so much for saying this in an eloquent way. That is what I tried to say earlier and failed miserably. Simply boycotting in my opinion is not the answer. Being proactive in a positive manner.
 
You do realize that Jewish isn't a race, right?

I never said it was for one thing but it is still considered a minority group. Also although Jewish is not recognized as a race many do argue that it is just as much a race as a religion but that is a whole different discussion. It is still a group of people that has to change to be more appealing to the mainstream Christian white audience.
 

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