Who lets their kids sing loudly on an airplane

Muphry's law at it's finest.
You're funny. I used that deliberately. My kids say it as a joke: "Negan needs to be disappeared -- enough already"... "that food needs to be disappeared -- it's awful".

That really wasn't obvious??

And again: IT WAS MEANT IN GOOD FUN!!! Geez. Taking offense on someone else's behalf. Life is too short. :wave2:
 
Thanks. The struggle to not throw rocks at kids is real.
I find myself wanting to throw rocks at adults much more often. Kids are immature by nature. Obnoxious entitled adults have no excuse, other than to be a target of my well-thrown pebbles and gravel. Will gladly change up my ammunition to include larger rocks if they complain about the aforementioned pebbles and gravel.
 
Ha. In my millions if not billions of flight I’ve yet to be too concerned about misbehaving kids. Actually there isn’t too many kids in first class. Good parents like moi dump them in cattle class for someone else to be bothered with.
Just be sure to count kids' head ON the plane before you settle into first class for takeoff.
 
All of my flights in which there were problem passengers, the passenger was an adult. Sometimes it was an adult who was drunk and loud. Sometimes it was an adult who was just rude, or making inappropriate comments to flight attendants. Sometimes it was an adult who kept unbuckling as we taxi'd to the runway. Once it was an adult with two "service dogs" being encouraged to go up and lick fellow passengers. And sometimes it was an adult who ignored or encouraged their child in behaviour that was not acceptable on an airplane.
(and sometimes it has been an adult who is just nasty and rude about the mere precense of children on the flight)
 
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I don't usually. But I speak French so this was a no-brainer. A semi-sarcastic response meant in good fun to what I assume (perhaps incorrectly?) was a sarcastic post meant in good fun -- no? :)

And no -- my two-year olds did suffer tantrums at times -- we would take them out of the restaurant whether it was a McDonald's or Nobu. I didn't make it every other diner's problem that my kid was having a tantrum. Didn't happen often -- perhaps we were lucky. :thumbsup2

Absolutely in good fun. Who in their right mind would be that absurdly pretentious?

Interestingly you wound up precisely where I came in -- taking your miscreants out of a restaurant for doing what they do, achievable. Vaporizing their disagreeable beings out of an aircraft, not so easily achieved.
 
The two year old loves hibatchi with the fire...but I'm sure I'm a terrible step parent so it's all good.

You may have missed the point yet again. Two year olds may not have the grasp on consequences you seem to expect. A bit of an understanding of early childhood development might help inform your rock throwing urges -- and make the day to day existence of your future stepchildren more tolerable.
 
I agree with everything except drugging your kids.

Yeah I kept in my bag for emergencies when my 10 yo was a toddler because she has chronic ear infections and tubes, and take off and landing can be tough on her. She was in pain and my ped said “helping” her take a little nap during take off and landing would make her much more confortable. Thus no screaming. I don’t think drugging my child for the comfort and convenience of other passengers is reasonable. They can drug themselves if they think that’s necessary. But I do have friends who swear by it and just dose their kids every time they get on a plane.
 
I don't consider it "being confrontational" to ask someone nicely to try to have their child keep it down, or to ask the flight attendant to do the same.

Wearing earplugs gives me a headache. Not sure why I should be expected to tolerate that, and a parent not be expected to try to keep their child from disrupting a plane full of people.

Common courtesy. Sadly, not so common anymore.
I completely understand the thought process, however, when one is being bothered by the behavior or another, to ask them to cease, easily becomes confrontational.
If a parent is letting their kid be loud and obnoxious, oblivious to those around them IMO they don't care about the thoughts of others and to ask them to rein in their kid is just asking for trouble.
Is it right? Is it courteous? Heck no, but if the parent was actually concerned about your well being, they wouldn't be allowing the behavior in the first place.

I'd try a variety of earplugs or fly SWA where I can pick my own seat and the minute I see a small child I head to a row several rows away.
 
Aside from being confused about how they managed to reach your bag to crumble Goldfish into it (if they are kicking your seatback, wouldn't they be sitting behind you, out of reach of the bag under the seat in front of you?) I'm agreeing all the way. If Jr. won't stop harassing me, I talk to Jr., because it's obvious that the parents have already checked out. Most of the time it works, because today's kids tend to be shocked when an adult other than a parent presumes to call them down in public. As a general rule I don't touch Jr., but if Junior's extremities keep coming into my space in a way that constitutes assault, I'm going to take possession of said extremities (just enough to immobilize, and only on my side of the seat.)

I don't have any issues with seatback-bumping that occurs because of space constraints; there isn't enough space to go around, and my personal feeling is that we all have a duty to try to minimize how much we spill over into the space that someone else has purchased. You apologize when you bump, and that's normally that. My DS did wake an entire transatlantic overnight flight once when he was sleeping in his carseat and the very large man in front of him decided that his seat recline wasn't working well enough. The man started repeatedly slamming the seat backward to try to force it flatter, but the seat was encountering my child's shins each time. Naturally, DS started screaming his lungs out, whilst his father pushed forward on the seat to relieve the pressure and I tried to explain to the very irate FA that unless she could stop the seat-slammer and get me a bag of ice ASAP, DS wasn't going to be getting quiet any time soon. (It was a fairly serious injury; the bruises took several weeks to fade. DS was only 3, and the Ibuprofen I had with me didn't relieve much of the pain. He sobbed for the rest of the flight.) Normally I shut my kids down immediately when they became disruptive on flights, but that time there was simply nothing I could do to make him comfortable enough.

All that said, sometimes you have to just have a drink and try to bear it. One very memorable Xmas Eve, back before we had kids of our own, DH & I found ourselves delayed on a runway for hours while our plane was repeatedly de-iced and de-iced again. The flight was on AA, and we were seated just behind an unaccompanied minor, a boy about 7 years old. Apparently when he was put on the plane he wasn't packed off with an entertainment bag, and the FA's really didn't have anything available to keep him occupied. He started singing "Jingle Bells", but he apparently only knew the chorus. The FA refused to intervene. We sat through 5 straight hours of "Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Hey!" repeated over and over and over. Alcohol helped, but not enough. :drinking: My kids first heard that story when they were very young, as an example of what NOT to do on a plane.
 
I completely understand the thought process, however, when one is being bothered by the behavior or another, to ask them to cease, easily becomes confrontational.
If a parent is letting their kid be loud and obnoxious, oblivious to those around them IMO they don't care about the thoughts of others and to ask them to rein in their kid is just asking for trouble.
Is it right? Is it courteous? Heck no, but if the parent was actually concerned about your well being, they wouldn't be allowing the behavior in the first place.

I'd try a variety of earplugs or fly SWA where I can pick my own seat and the minute I see a small child I head to a row several rows away.
I can see that point--but I also know sometimes parents re so used to something they aren't hearing it for what it is---or so tired they don't notice. I have said something a couple of times (again, approaching the kids and being nice about it) and had a parent fall over themselves apologizing having not really registered the issue until pointed out, and agreeing it was an issue.

Similarly, once, when DS was about 6 he was "bouncing" his stuffed animal on his tray table for a couple of minutes while watching a movie. Since he was engaged in his movie, I was reading and hadn't noticed yet. He was normally very considerate of fellow passengers but had temporarily forgotten that his table was attached to someone else's seat. The passenger turned around and asked him to stop and both he and I fell all over ourselves apologizing
 
It's so important to work together - compromise - we're all in these horrible flight situations, every time we fly. Flying as a fat person, I get looks, stares, sighs, and I always do my best not to take up more space than necessary. It's not easy for anyone. It's not easy for the people stuck next to me, and it's certainly not easy for me, clutching my arms across my chest for hours at a time to not encroach on their space.

If you have a little kid behind you in a carseat, and it's not a hugely long flight, maybe just recline 2 inches instead of 3, and if you're flying with a kid in a carseat, remove their shoes! Work together!

I was on an overseas flight last year, sitting in front of an older couple and their adult special-needs daughter. I was wearing my very long hair in a ponytail. The mother leaned over to me and very politely asked me to move my hair out of the way, as her daughter tends to grab things. I immediately thanked her and braided my hair over my shoulder so it would be out of her daughter's reach. The daughter kicked my seat throughout the flight, and normally I would turn around and give a kid the stink-eye if that happened, but having been given the knowledge of her situation by the parents before the flight, I knew that it was not being done out of malice and that a long flight must be especially difficult for them all, and I managed to ignore the kicking. (A sense of righteous compassion will make anything endurable. ;) After the flight ended and we were disembarking, the parents apologized to me profusely for all of the kicking, and I smiled and told them it didn't bother me at all, and welcomed them to New York City.

I felt good after that flight despite my lack of sleep, because we had communicated beforehand and gotten through together with mutual understanding. Sometimes that's all it takes.
 
You may have missed the point yet again. Two year olds may not have the grasp on consequences you seem to expect. A bit of an understanding of early childhood development might help inform your rock throwing urges -- and make the day to day existence of your future stepchildren more tolerable.

Precisely why I pack the cast members thank you satchel of painted rocks in my checked luggage and not my carry on when I go to Disney.
 
It's so important to work together - compromise - we're all in these horrible flight situations, every time we fly. Flying as a fat person, I get looks, stares, sighs, and I always do my best not to take up more space than necessary. It's not easy for anyone. It's not easy for the people stuck next to me, and it's certainly not easy for me, clutching my arms across my chest for hours at a time to not encroach on their space.

If you have a little kid behind you in a carseat, and it's not a hugely long flight, maybe just recline 2 inches instead of 3, and if you're flying with a kid in a carseat, remove their shoes! Work together!

I was on an overseas flight last year, sitting in front of an older couple and their adult special-needs daughter. I was wearing my very long hair in a ponytail. The mother leaned over to me and very politely asked me to move my hair out of the way, as her daughter tends to grab things. I immediately thanked her and braided my hair over my shoulder so it would be out of her daughter's reach. The daughter kicked my seat throughout the flight, and normally I would turn around and give a kid the stink-eye if that happened, but having been given the knowledge of her situation by the parents before the flight, I knew that it was not being done out of malice and that a long flight must be especially difficult for them all, and I managed to ignore the kicking. (A sense of righteous compassion will make anything endurable. ;) After the flight ended and we were disembarking, the parents apologized to me profusely for all of the kicking, and I smiled and told them it didn't bother me at all, and welcomed them to New York City.

I felt good after that flight despite my lack of sleep, because we had communicated beforehand and gotten through together with mutual understanding. Sometimes that's all it takes.

:goodvibes I think what it comes down to for most people is just simple consideration. I would never begrudge anyone who is doing their best to work with their child, special needs or not. And I'll be happy to offer to help if there is something I can do. Most people only get upset when parents ignore or encourage behavior that disturbs others.
 

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