(No politics!!) how impacted will Guardians in Epcot be now?

[Boski]

It does. It seems as though it's the "fictional character" vs "real person" factor.

But a real person wrote those lines.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

This is the question I was really getting at. I mean, let's look at racial slurs and stereotypes. If a star tweeted something racial, there would definitely be a backlash. And yet then we have movies like A Million Ways to Die in the West.

And obviously as a society we should evolve - but it seems like people are willing to accept that in the abstract and with “art” but not for an actual “artist”

So people can still love something like Gone with the Wind, even though no way that could be made today - and accept it as something of its time but not that an individual can more on fromsomething he/she said or did years ago (or at least not as easily)

And not sure if right or wrong but interesting at least

 

[HopperFan]

in light of today’s news. I know this’ll be a hotbed for debates and then when someone gets hurt they’ll cry here like every Roseanne thread or hall of presidents thread we’ve had in the past but I don’t want this so I’m just asking this and I want it to be short: how much will the coaster be affected?

(No politics!!) how impacted will Guardians in Epcot be now?

Impact ride? Not at all.

Roseanne, "the person" was the main character in the show.
Hall of Presidents would include "the person" in the show.
Will bet MOST people who saw and enjoyed Guardians have no idea who Gunn was.
Certainly wouldn't affect any coaster or any other attraction.
It will only affect the next movie in an artistic way, not necessarily a negative way.

 

[TomServo27]

My question: why is this sort of "humor" okay in movies, or as stand up comedy, but as soon as it's said outside of that context, it's no longer okay? So many comedy movies and stand up comedians with degrading, offensive comments and no one bats an eye. They applaud it, laugh and eat it up. But as soon as the same thing is tweeted or posted on Facebook... Well OMG what a horrible human being. The hypocrisy and double standards...

I think it’s more that it is something that you read. When something is in print in in tweet in this instance it has no tone. When you hear someone saying something it often feels completely different than just reading what they said.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I think it’s more that it is something that you read. When something is in print in in tweet in this instance it has no tone. When you hear someone saying something it often feels completely different than just reading what they said.

Also seeing *all* of them together with like not context just the words it is really starting and upsetting and just wrong

If this was 10 years ago and you followed the account for the “humor” or knowing, at least, jokes are part of it, and one of them come out at a time, might not be same impact

 

[Brocktoon]

No impact on the ride at all.

But since folks seem to be discussing Gunn ...

I'm a huge film geek and was shocked (yet ecstatic) when Disney choose Gunn for GoTG. Disney knew who they were getting! He's been known for controversial film making for years. He cut his teeth with Troma! ... known for Toxic Avenger, Class of Nukem' High, Surf Nazis Must Die etc ... This is the guy who wrote Terror Firmer, Lollipop Chainsaw, Slither, Beezel, Belko Experiment etc ... We're talking about someone who came from a film-making background that was VERY un-Disney

I love him as a filmmaker (don't agree with many of his statements), but his background is well known in Hollywood. Gunn's style and humor is not for everyone which is why I was shocked year's ago when Disney choose him.

Without bringing politics or the tweets into the discussion at all, in my opinion Disney had to know the type of person and history they were bringing into the Marvel Film group

 

[mshanson3121]

Also seeing *all* of them together with like not context just the words it is really starting and upsetting and just wrong

If this was 10 years ago and you followed the account for the “humor” or knowing, at least, jokes are part of it, and one of them come out at a time, might not be same impact

Very true. In all honesty, seeing them all together as they're being presented, is taking them out of context. Not saying the original context was good...

I think it’s more that it is something that you read. When something is in print in in tweet in this instance it has no tone. When you hear someone saying something it often feels completely different than just reading what they said.

Very interesting comment. Especially in light of what is happening with historical literature in today's world. I mean, when you have people removing Laura Ingalls Wilder's name from a literary award, calling her books racist... and yet... again, movies like A Million Ways and so many others, no one bats an eye...

So literature about true historical viewpoints and events is racist, and yet, when those same (and far worse) remarks are said in a movie or on a stage... it's comedy and great!

 

[MommaBerd]

I completely respect the viewpoint on the content and totally get it but even with the issues the MPAA can have they do give descriptive detail (more than they used to).

For Guardians of the Galaxy it was rated PG-13 with the following description for why: Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action, and for some language

For Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (edited: added the number) it was rated PG-13 with the following description for why: Rated PG-13 for sequences of sci-fi action and violence, language, and brief suggestive content

As for the question of why add in suggestive humor..IDK.

But without a doubt Marvel is not nor do I believe has ever intended to be 'classic Disney'. Marvel def. is an adult feel for me with Deadpool being the most adult content. And honestly, I think that's ok.

I acknowledged that I let my guard down re: reading the MPAA rating for GotG 2. I *do* think there is a clear difference in content between the Disney Marvel movies and the Fox or other production companies movies. I don’t just assume that because it’s Marvel, it’s family friendly. But I do think it’s reasonable for one to have the expectation that if “Movie” is relatively tame, especially for suggestive content, then Movie’s sequel would be also. But obviously, that isn’t always the case.

 

[HopperFan]

I acknowledged that I let my guard down re: reading the MPAA rating for GotG 2. I *do* think there is a clear difference in content between the Disney Marvel movies and the Fox or other production companies movies. I don’t just assume that because it’s Marvel, it’s family friendly. But I do think it’s reasonable for one to have the expectation that if “Movie” is relatively tame, especially for suggestive content, then Movie’s sequel would be also. But obviously, that isn’t always the case.

Understand.

And I think it's important to remember that COMICS are not the same as CARTOONS. So many grew up with the Adam West Batman and tv version of Superman that we forget that comics are edgy, violent and sometimes as scary as any horror movie often filled with mutants and evil characters.

The reason the Deadpool movie was a hit was because Fox didn't water it down or "Disnify" it. Disney owns many studios and many of them produce violent, bad language etc films. And they make lots of money from them. When we get to comics, Disney is walking a fine line of trying to stay true to stories and keeping it as family friendly as possible. I think I'd rather Disney stay truer to the film and making it appropriate for teens, than water it further down. It is then up to us as parents to decide what our child can see.

It would absolutely be possible to bring some in to the parks, designing around their positive parts ... so that the whole family can enjoy.

 

[rlbates13]

I hate Twitter!!!

Yup!

 

[Planogirl]

No impact on the ride at all.

But since folks seem to be discussing Gunn ...

I'm a huge film geek and was shocked (yet ecstatic) when Disney choose Gunn for GoTG. Disney knew who they were getting! He's been known for controversial film making for years. He cut his teeth with Troma! ... known for Toxic Avenger, Class of Nukem' High, Surf Nazis Must Die etc ... This is the guy who wrote Terror Firmer, Lollipop Chainsaw, Slither, Beezel, Belko Experiment etc ... We're talking about someone who came from a film-making background that was VERY un-Disney

I love him as a filmmaker (don't agree with many of his statements), but his background is well known in Hollywood. Gunn's style and humor is not for everyone which is why I was shocked year's ago when Disney choose him.

Without bringing politics or the tweets into the discussion at all, in my opinion Disney had to know the type of person and history they were bringing into the Marvel Film group

I imagine that Disney was very aware of what he was like. However they have a certain image to protect and when more detail about him became public then they had to distance themselves. Such behavior just isn't going to fly in today's environment.

 

[EveDallas]

He only wrote it, didn’t direct it. Maybe you can’t have a philosophical discussion if you don’t care to do proper research for facts. Which again is what I wanted to prevent with this thread. I hope the mods lock it especially seeing my question was answered

Why would they lock it? No one is being mean or rude. Just because you start a thread doesn't mean you get to control the way it goes.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I imagine that Disney was very aware of what he was like. However they have a certain image to protect and when more detail about him became public then they had to distance themselves. Such behavior just isn't going to fly in today's environment.

I also think when they are making that decision to hire him, if they knew of these things they were probably viewed in a compartment as something he did in one area (attempted comedy) and separated that from him as a director, etc. Just now, as things come to like and how much bigger social media is and everything else going on it becomes a much bigger then and basically shoved in their face and told to do something about it

Doesn't mean right or wrong, just even if it was considered it was probably with a very specific - and different - lens

 

[tlmadden73]

One of my team's star pitchers got into hot water (and almost suspended) for tweets he made AS A TEENAGER.

This digging up the past witch hunt stuff has got to stop. EVERYONE makes stupid, comments that would offend someone at some time in their life, on purpose, inadvertently, as a joke, or just from naivety.

I don't understand a society so quick to punish people for past mistakes.

That being said -- will Gunn's firing affect the ride at Epcot?

MOST people don't care or even know who a director is for any given movie, so it won' affect the box office of Guardians 3, not would it even come close to "tarnishing" an attraction based on that IP.

People are going to go to SWGE despite the Last Jedi being "underwhelming" in a lot of ways.

 

[mom2rtk]

One of my team's star pitchers got into hot water (and almost suspended) for tweets he made AS A TEENAGER.

This digging up the past witch hunt stuff has got to stop. EVERYONE makes stupid, comments that would offend someone at some time in their life, on purpose, inadvertently, as a joke, or just from naivety.

I don't understand a society so quick to punish people for past mistakes.

That being said -- will Gunn's firing affect the ride at Epcot?

MOST people don't care or even know who a director is for any given movie, so it won' affect the box office of Guardians 3, not would it even come close to "tarnishing" an attraction based on that IP.

People are going to go to SWGE despite the Last Jedi being "underwhelming" in a lot of ways.

It's reasonable to excuse stuff from a teenager years later. That wasn't the case here.

Also, these weren't just off color tweets. They were "jokes" about pedophilia.

 

[Moliphino]

I imagine that Disney was very aware of what he was like. However they have a certain image to protect and when more detail about him became public then they had to distance themselves. Such behavior just isn't going to fly in today's environment.

His tweets were always public, though. None of this was hidden for the past 5-10 years. It only became an issue when an alt-right conspiracy theorist (who has tweeted far worse things than Gunn) decided to take him down for being anti-Trump.

If he was still tweeting stuff like this today I wouldn't have any issue with him being fired. He has demonstrably changed since then, though, and apologized for his past behavior. I think the rapid firing was overkill here.

 

[rteetz]

One of my team's star pitchers got into hot water (and almost suspended) for tweets he made AS A TEENAGER.

Fellow Brewer fan?

And then fans get ridiculed for cheering for him in his latest appearance.

 

[rteetz]

Those who have twitter. Not sure if you’ve seen but several stars of the guardians films have tweeted things in response to the James Gunn news.

 

[TISHLOVESDISNEY]

I read a few tweets, couldn't read more
At first I thought he deserves to be fired and then some. Then I question Disney. Did they know the extent at the time of hiring and hired him anyway? If so, then why fire him years later? I don't think that is fair, if they truly knew about all those tweets.

If he did all of these tweets now, and got fired, would everyone still defend them as 'humor"? (Bad, disgusting, not funny humor)

One has to wonder if he can tweet such nastiness, does it come from somewhere deep inside him, and then, yes, should he represent Disney/Marvel?

Yuck.
It's a strange yucky situation...

As for the ride, no affect, Disney always finds a way.

I like the GOTG movies, so I am worried slightly, but if they get Taika Waititi, I LOVED Thor Ragnorak, as did my whole family. One of the only Marvel movies we have repeated more than 2x as a family.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Those who have twitter. Not sure if you’ve seen but several stars of the guardians films have tweeted things in response to the James Gunn news.

I saw Dave Bautista's comments a bit ago

Also thought I would share along a series of tweets Jame's brother Sean put out there:https://twitter.com/seangunn

Particularly these two:

9. So I guess my hope is that fans continue to watch and appreciate the Guardians movies, not despite the fact that the filmmaker used to be kind of a *******, but because of it. They are, after all, movies about discovering your best self.

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6. In many respects this change in my brother was reflected in the change that the Guardians go through. I've heard my brother say many times that when Quill rallies the team with "this is our chance to give a s**t"--to care--that it's the pep talk he himself needed to hear.

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In the thread i didn't see his brother making excuses or even saying Disney was wrong or anything - but (and obviously these and likely some of those from actors in the films, etc. are going to be biased) but it does seem like he was at least trying to evolve and change and realized things he was doing fro "shock" value were wrong to do and not needed, etc.

I know people point to the fact he wasn't a kid when he did this - but while I am sure most people do a lot of growing up in their teens and twenties, whose to say you can't also "grow up" in your 40s as well?

and again, I have no issue with Disney firing him - what he did was reprehensible - but I think there is a larger story and discussion around can people ever make up for things done in their past that were in bad taste/offensive/wrong?