I am new to this type of conversation; how many threads have been closed, it seems this is a pretty new topic.
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I am new to this type of conversation; how many threads have been closed, it seems this is a pretty new topic.
Thanks.
I'm glad DISboards isn't going to censor discussion on this topic. I think that many posters wish that were the case for some reason, and I truly don't understand how this topic is somehow less worthy of discussion than the endless debates on whether Disney Dining Plan is worth it.
However, I think some people are not correct about the legal basis behind this policy. No law has been passed requiring Disney to do this. They are also the only hotel system implementing a policy in this manner. Ask any in-house lawyer and they will tell you that these things are not black and white at all. It is not only reasonable but imperative as a society that we feel free to question having basic privacy removed without a cogent explanation. Moreover, Disney has a long history of changing policy relative to guest demand so it is also useful to continue contacting guest services. If these forums can be helpful for people to gather their thoughts and concerns so their letters and phone calls are more persuasive, all the bettter.
One last comment (before I would really like to move back to our original discussion about what to ask Disney, which keeps being interrupted): I am disappointed that several posters have been accusing others of "hysteria" around this issue. Safety and privacy are not small things. They are not unimportant things. And while people differ on how much they require to feel comfortable, that does not mean that it is ok to gaslight others or belittle their concerns just because they feel differently about something. There are women who have been victims of abuse who have a very legitimate concern about men they don't know demanding access to their hotel room. There are people who for cultural reasons are extremely uncomfortable with someone disturbing them while they are in a state of undress. These are entirely legitimate concerns and I think anyone who feels the need to mock or silence those airing such concerns would be better off on another thread discussing something else.
It seems many have the goal to derail and shut down every thread on this topic, which is distracting and, frankly, bordering on juvenile. I highly doubt Disney would want any of their guests being treated with disdain by other guests either IRL or online. I'm asking nicely to please let those who want to talk about it be able to talk about it.
FYI to everyone reading: Dan's Dad is a valued member of the Dis Boards who has helped many people on these boards. His words are gold!
Dan's Dad: Thank you for posting this as it really helps many people who are reading this. I think we can begin to figure out a strategy in dealing with these room checks that won't cause a problem for the CM's who have to implement it.
I have a feeling that thanks to this POSITIVE thread we can develop some great suggestions by gathering information from everyone's experiences and from people who have different needs for remaining as undisturbed as possible while in the rooms.
I see a possible sticky post coming out of this thread...
Sort of like a:
what can be expected,
what works,
What doesn't work, (Example: addressing the problem when you are back home)
How to address your specific needs with the cast members,
Who best to speak with IN PERSON (Example:a manager) and WHERE to have that conversation (Front Desk at the resort)
and a general things not to do (For Example CALL from the room to speak with someone because you are speaking with the call center, etc.. etc...)
Just to be clear here, our goal is to put all this in one place to be as helpful as possible to Dis Board readers. To further spell it out, having recommendations in one place is way more helpful that scrolling through a bunch of threads.
If you have suggestions or experiences please post. The hive mind of the Dis Boards is fantastic for informing people about what is going on at WDW and how to make their trips better!
If you are so inclined, please be understanding and resist the urge to complain about what we are trying to do. That doesn't help anyone. If this irritates you please rise to the challenge and be helpful. If that is too hard then scroll on!
~NM
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So from what we are hearing:
1) They will not disclose what their policy actually is, but are expecting guests to comply with whatever any CM says outside that guestroom door.
2) They officially will not agree to respect medical, cultural, religious, or any other request for accommodation unless an individual CM wants to grant it as some sort of favor. This likely puts Disney on the receiving end of a discrimination lawsuit, because companies cannot leave it up to individual employees to discriminate at will against protected groups.
3) They are saying they reserve the right for individual employees to enter rooms with an unaccompanied minors, regardless of whether those minors have expressed concern, terror, etc. about this.
4) They refuse to inform guests any reasons for these changes.
5) They believe that pointing guests to a policy that *already existed long before this policy* is somehow sufficiently obtaining informed consent of the new policy.
6) None of these policies apply to guests with dogs.
I think getting some unofficial answers to our questions early is helping the letter take shape - because our questions can be more targeted.
Note: I have been speaking to a few lawyer buddies of mine, and they all agree what Disney is doing, contrary to what some might think, is a legal recipe for disaster, on several levels. (Just in case anyone was worried that these discussions were pointless ranting about something that can never change.
