The Running Thread - 2018

ATTQOTD: By the time I'm in shape to consider going for BQ, I expect them to have changed the times at least once more. So, basically, no effect on me.

At the moment, my half-marathon PR barely qualifies.
 


I need to get something out there...for the folks saying they could not ever qualify.

Let me rehash my running story...Please scroll on by if you have heard this before.

I was going to be a "one and done" marathoner. I had been forced to take a leave from work (airline industry, post 9/11). I finally had the time to train even though I was pretty clueless--we just weren't as internet savvy back in 2002. I remember going to the library and checking books out about running. I trained on my own and ran a 4:14. I had no care whatsoever what my time was. The only goal was to finish and it was one of the greatest days of my life.

I loved the experience so much that, I ran a few more marathons (had a couple of babies in between), and finally broke 4 hours. I thought that was pretty awesome and was very proud. Boston NEVER entered my mind and I was happy just plugging away like I had been.

Then I entered the dark years where I was in a lot of pain which was diagnosed as rheumatoid arthritis. I had a surprise pregnancy and the pain started to go away. I ran about 1-2 months after having my youngest ds (2009)--it had been about 2+ years. I ran a 10k a few months later and finished under an hour. I didn't get an official time because they ran out of bibs and told people just to run. I cried in my car on the way home because I was so happy to be able to run again. I waited until spring 2011 to try a marathon again--it had been 4 years since my last marathon. I ran that in 3:58 and was thrilled.

Over the next year, I started changing how I ran. Instead of mindlessly running at the same pace for all my runs, I started running intervals, hills, progressions, and just trying to go faster. I kept it to 4 days/week of running with cross training on the other days. I lived in constant fear that my joint pain would return so I tried to avoid consecutive running days when possible. It was around this time that I started running my long runs fast, at least close to marathon pace. When my marathon came around in May 2012, I knew I had a sub 3:40 in me (3:40 was my BQ time). This was going to be my first attempt ever at a BQ. I went out a little fast but felt good for the race. Around mile 19, I felt a pop in my foot, then lots of pain. It would not stop. I had to alternate run/walking just to finish. I had been ahead of the 3:40 pace group and saw them go by. Then I saw the 3:45 group go by. I wanted to cry (and probably did at some point). I finished in 3:49:30, missing the BQ by less then 10 minutes. It was new PR and everyone congratulated me but I was so sad. I didn't go to the doctor for my foot, but I know it was a stress fracture (I have had my fair share and I am familiar with the feeling).

I was angry that all my hard work and training seemed to be for nothing. About 2 months later, I signed up for The Columbus Marathon in the fall. I have never been so focused on training. Again, I was running 4 days/week, maybe adding an extra short run sometimes. I had never ran a marathon in a different city before and was nervous about the travel logistics. Race morning was perfect fall weather. I went out fast because I was just so excited. I felt amazing during that race. Even the last 6 miles which always seem hard, weren't unbearable. I knew I could slow down considerably and still easily BQ. I kept pushing and was so mentally in tune to that race. I kept telling myself, why settle, let's see how fast I can really run this. I finished in 3:14:11 (I will be 90 yers old and still remember that time). I pr'd by over 35 minutes. Boston 2014, here I come. That day was even better than my first marathon finish.

I hovered around the 3:15-3:30 marathon time for a couple of years and then started kicking it up a notch. I did a few short races over the summer in 2015. I was running times that I would have never believed were from me. I ran a 38:59 10k (previous pr 42:5x) and 18:56 5k (previous pr was 21:02). That was when I really set my sight on a sub 3 hour marathon. I had maybe thought it was possible earlier that year for Boston 2015, but I got a stress fracture in my femur that set training back. I was registered for NYC and I thought that is where I will try to go sub-3. Training had gone well most of the summer until September and a stress fracture in my tibia. It wasn't horrible and I probably ran on it more than I should have. I did a HM in mid/late October as a tune up and pr'd with a 1:26. I think that set any recovery back. I went to NYC and thought I would give it my all and see what happens. I was frustrated from the start--crowded, people SEVERELY mis-corralled, crowded, and then even more crowded. I felt ok until about the half way point and then my leg started hurting. It got worse and worse. I think my last 3 miles were between 9-9:30/mile. I just wanted it to be over. I ended up with a 3:19--not what I was hoping for.

Jump ahead to next spring, Boston 2016. I finally had an injury free training season. I started in wave 2 that year and the weather was perfect (for me) although some would say it was hot for running. I went out fast which is so easy to do at Boston. I was passing people in droves. I felt awesome at the hills and was passing people who had started in wave 1. I knew that sub 3 would be within reach if I stayed strong through mile 21. From there, the race is mostly downhill again. I felt like I had during my Columbus marathon. I knew I could go sub 3, but didn't want to just give up and squeak it. I kept pushing and finished in 2:58:20 (65th OA woman). Another "best day of my life" moment.

That fall I ran Chicago (2016) in 2:59:xx. I was thrilled to know the first time wasn't a fluke. Boston 2017 I set my current pr: 2:56:41. That was extra special because my kids got to see me do it. Twenty days later I came in 2nd in The Flying Pig in 2:59:55.

2018 has been a little tougher. I had a devastating injury last August and fractured my sacrum. That took me out for awhile and shattered my confidence. I get extra freaky about any little twinge or pain. I had a rough Boston this year and was mentally and physically defeated by the weather (3:18), but rebounded somewhat later a few weeks at The Pig (3:05).

I am a masters runner and I don't know if I have peaked or if I am on the "other way down". I do know that I am enjoying the journey and will continue to do this until my body says "hell no".
 
Yeeah, Boston is a "maybe in a decade or two if I decide I love marathons enough to push for it." Can't deny it'd be cool to run it someday, but it's so far off my radar at this point in my life that it's on another planet. +/- 5 minutes doesn't change anything for me right now.
 
ATTQOTD: I'd need to shave 10 minutes off my PR (less than a year ago) AND maintain that for 2-3 years, so it's certainly doable.

But, I think this may sum it up for me:

I have thought about a BQ attempt. I can't stop thinking that my reasons for doing so would be more to say that I did it rather than truly wanting to do it.

So not ruling it out, but also not feeling a burning desire to do it.
 


@Wendy98.....thank you for telling your story and letting us know that goals that seem unattainable can be had with hard work and focus. Your story is amazing with all the injuries and setbacks you have overcome.

Since I recently made it to the big 5-0, my body seems to be telling me "Hell No" on a frequent basis. I just ignore it and keep running.
 
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ATTQOTD: At this time the change to BQ doesn’t mean anything to me. I’m running my first marathon in Nov. so until I do that I wkn’t Know if I even want to run more of them. If I like it, I’ll probably look to see what my BQ time would be and then think about it from there.
 
@Wendy98 thanks so much for sharing. It really is giving me a boost of confidence. I can't believe all the injuries you have over come. It really is helpful. I am injured quite frequently. My first attempt at BQ was supposed to be last year Oct at a local race, but injury struck. This is my first chance to actually toe the line and try. I ran track in high school but was more just a general athlete mostly a basketball fan. After high school i ran to keep my weight down which went up. i was overweight but not crazy. Then i started to run a little faster getting close to the under 2 hour half marathon. At disney Jan 2016 i was like i am sick of being slow. My marathon PR at the time was in 2009 with a 4:39 and had not been close since. I decided to lose weight even though lots of people told me i did not have to. I lost 40 lbs. I currently weigh less than i did as a senior in high school. In april 2016 i finally went sub 2 on a half marathon (down about 20 lbs from jan). My next marathon was Feb 2017 at RNR NOLA. It was a PR i went sub 4, 3:54, and that is when i said, "OMG I could qualify for Boston" and a few @DopeyBadger plans later here i am with my first attempt. I am was freaking out a few days ago but now i am just excited nervous. If the weather holds out, my training has been spot on except maybe a little fast, i have been running tempo at 8:30, i just might BQ on Sunday!! i hope to meet you on saturday at the shakeout run. you are very inspiring to me.
 
QOTD: I believe this was already mentioned last week, but BAA is lowering the qualifying times by 5 minutes across the board for the 2020 marathon. For those who have Boston as a goal, does this change your plans any?

ATTQOTD: This is something that's been on my mind the past few days. I got back into running in January after several years of chronic issues with plantar faciitis with the goal of completing my first marathon in November (Seattle). Never having run farther than 16 (very slow) miles, I had no idea what kind of time to shoot for. Over the summer, I ran the Seattle Rock & Roll Half Marathon and finished in 1:42:30. It later occurred to me that I had managed to comfortably maintain a BQ pace in a half marathon. I had lots of room for improvement, since I had only been averaging 20+ mpw for about 6 weeks at that point and had 5 months to prepare for the marathon. I slowly increased my base miles to 40 mpw and then started using Hansons (I'm on week 11 now).

My training paces have been on par with a BQ, but truth be told, I started with those paces with the full intention of assessing whether I needed to readjust after week 12. I figured BQ with the old standards was an aggressive and difficult, but attainable goal. The idea of BQ-5 (now just BQ) when I've never run a full marathon seems a bit too unrealistic. I'm just going to maintain my current plan and consider whether I think I can maintain my current paces after next week. No need to dramatically increase my risk of injury. Besides, if this foray into marathon running works out for me, there's a slew of downhill marathons I could do next summer.
 
@Wendy98 I'm playing that You Better Work song by Britney in my head as I read your story!!!
Although where I'm at now to a BQ is still a significant jump, and not sure I even like marathons yet or care to get that much faster at that distance. You (and others with similar stories) do give me that extra desire to see if a 26min, 25 min, 24min, etc 5k is in this body waiting to be trained into shape for it. Who knows?
 
Very behind but chose the right time and page to pick back up. Thank you @Wendy98 for your inspiring story!!

September miles: 41 (Plus a completed sprint triathlon - yay and woo!!!!) :)

As for fall run goals: Continue slow increase of time/miles after long period off post foot injury. Very happy to be working on another DopeyBadger plan to crush an upcoming half marathon in November! Haven’t raced a half since last September, so feeling excited for that!
 
ATTQOTD: BQ-5...
I kind of already answered that but, yes, the change kind of deflated me a bit.

Here is the very long story for those interested.

I started running in 2016 by doing a couch to 5k with coworkers who had asked me to. Then ran two-three times a week that summer.

In April 2017, I got my running form evaluated by a coach who gave me a program to follow with the goal of running a sub-1hour 10k, which I did in June that year. I then registered for the WnD Two Course Challenge in November 2017. My first Half was just for fun and that is why I love that distance.

With the encouragement and advices of the coach, I kept running in Winter. I put a time objective on a 10k and achieved it.

Then, another Challenge in May. Achieved my 5k goal time. Had fun for most of the rest.

I really tried to push a Half for the first time in September 2018 and achieved my sub-2hours goal.

So... when I first talked about Dopey 2020 to my coach last Spring she said that it would not be the « real » Marathon experience for a first timer. So I had this 2019 racing plan where I would try to run in November 2019 what was BQ-5 adjusted to the next age group. I was then going to run Dopey 2020 and Boston 2021.

My last Half thought me a few things:
- Running a Marathon in 3:50 is achievable if I set my heart and energy on it,
- Pushing a distance is not necessarily my idea of fun.

Then, the BQ change arrived just when I had those thoughts and, now, I have no confidence that if I run 3:50 (new BQ time), it would mean that I could run Boston. It probably means that I have to aim at 3:45 because nobody tries to make it just on time. Attempting it might just make me hate that Marathon distance forever. While running it at Disney in a multi-race challenge (I love challenges) at an enjoyable pace might get me hook for a while.

So, to try to BQ in 2019 or not, that is the question and I tend to think, no.

And, with that, when the train was cancelled tonight, DH and I ended up Running Shoes Shopping. He found a pair, and I just added one for me too. I am a responsible adult who will need a lot of shoes to run that Dopey in 462 days (yes, I am counting).
 
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ATTQOTD:
Not going to go full-on soapbox here, but one of the things that I like about running is that you don't have to be good at it to participate in most of the big events and be a part of the sport. So to me, Boston is the exact opposite of what running should be about.

That said ... I think it's really important that they changed the standards. When you publish a standard and people who submit times faster than that standard don't get in, it's disheartening. I think it's important that they constantly change the published standard to keep up with the times they're seeing submitted.
 
QOTD: I believe this was already mentioned last week, but BAA is lowering the qualifying times by 5 minutes across the board for the 2020 marathon. For those who have Boston as a goal, does this change your plans any?

ATTQOTD: The 5 minutes change is a big change IMO, but over the last few years you basically needed a BQ -4:00 anyway, so i guess it just makes it more or less an official thing. I am a far ways away from getting to that point at this time. Eventually I will be able to get back to my old running ways, but for the time being I am just trying to be prepared to finish long distance runs.

I’ll admit, it was discouraging to hear. The truth is, if I don’t put in the work the standards won’t matter.

No personal experience, but a friend of mine runs it every year and says it ranks among her favorite races!


Well done! And don't worry - I ordered 3 pairs of shoes yesterday, so I've got ya covered. :rotfl2:

ATTQOTD: No ability or desire to BQ, no interest in ever running Boston, so I'm good with whatever! :)

Excellent, thanks.

I need to get something out there...for the folks saying they could not ever qualify.

Let me rehash my running story...Please scroll on by if you have heard this before.

I was going to be a "one and done" marathoner. I had been forced to take a leave from work (airline industry, post 9/11). I finally had the time to train even though I was pretty clueless--we just weren't as internet savvy back in 2002. I remember going to the library and checking books out about running. I trained on my own and ran a 4:14. I had no care whatsoever what my time was. The only goal was to finish and it was one of the greatest days of my life.

I loved the experience so much that, I ran a few more marathons (had a couple of babies in between), and finally broke 4 hours. I thought that was pretty awesome and was very proud. Boston NEVER entered my mind and I was happy just plugging away like I had been.

Then I entered the dark years where I was in a lot of pain which was diagnosed as rheumatoid arthritis. I had a surprise pregnancy and the pain started to go away. I ran about 1-2 months after having my youngest ds (2009)--it had been about 2+ years. I ran a 10k a few months later and finished under an hour. I didn't get an official time because they ran out of bibs and told people just to run. I cried in my car on the way home because I was so happy to be able to run again. I waited until spring 2011 to try a marathon again--it had been 4 years since my last marathon. I ran that in 3:58 and was thrilled.

Over the next year, I started changing how I ran. Instead of mindlessly running at the same pace for all my runs, I started running intervals, hills, progressions, and just trying to go faster. I kept it to 4 days/week of running with cross training on the other days. I lived in constant fear that my joint pain would return so I tried to avoid consecutive running days when possible. It was around this time that I started running my long runs fast, at least close to marathon pace. When my marathon came around in May 2012, I knew I had a sub 3:40 in me (3:40 was my BQ time). This was going to be my first attempt ever at a BQ. I went out a little fast but felt good for the race. Around mile 19, I felt a pop in my foot, then lots of pain. It would not stop. I had to alternate run/walking just to finish. I had been ahead of the 3:40 pace group and saw them go by. Then I saw the 3:45 group go by. I wanted to cry (and probably did at some point). I finished in 3:49:30, missing the BQ by less then 10 minutes. It was new PR and everyone congratulated me but I was so sad. I didn't go to the doctor for my foot, but I know it was a stress fracture (I have had my fair share and I am familiar with the feeling).

I was angry that all my hard work and training seemed to be for nothing. About 2 months later, I signed up for The Columbus Marathon in the fall. I have never been so focused on training. Again, I was running 4 days/week, maybe adding an extra short run sometimes. I had never ran a marathon in a different city before and was nervous about the travel logistics. Race morning was perfect fall weather. I went out fast because I was just so excited. I felt amazing during that race. Even the last 6 miles which always seem hard, weren't unbearable. I knew I could slow down considerably and still easily BQ. I kept pushing and was so mentally in tune to that race. I kept telling myself, why settle, let's see how fast I can really run this. I finished in 3:14:11 (I will be 90 yers old and still remember that time). I pr'd by over 35 minutes. Boston 2014, here I come. That day was even better than my first marathon finish.

I hovered around the 3:15-3:30 marathon time for a couple of years and then started kicking it up a notch. I did a few short races over the summer in 2015. I was running times that I would have never believed were from me. I ran a 38:59 10k (previous pr 42:5x) and 18:56 5k (previous pr was 21:02). That was when I really set my sight on a sub 3 hour marathon. I had maybe thought it was possible earlier that year for Boston 2015, but I got a stress fracture in my femur that set training back. I was registered for NYC and I thought that is where I will try to go sub-3. Training had gone well most of the summer until September and a stress fracture in my tibia. It wasn't horrible and I probably ran on it more than I should have. I did a HM in mid/late October as a tune up and pr'd with a 1:26. I think that set any recovery back. I went to NYC and thought I would give it my all and see what happens. I was frustrated from the start--crowded, people SEVERELY mis-corralled, crowded, and then even more crowded. I felt ok until about the half way point and then my leg started hurting. It got worse and worse. I think my last 3 miles were between 9-9:30/mile. I just wanted it to be over. I ended up with a 3:19--not what I was hoping for.

Jump ahead to next spring, Boston 2016. I finally had an injury free training season. I started in wave 2 that year and the weather was perfect (for me) although some would say it was hot for running. I went out fast which is so easy to do at Boston. I was passing people in droves. I felt awesome at the hills and was passing people who had started in wave 1. I knew that sub 3 would be within reach if I stayed strong through mile 21. From there, the race is mostly downhill again. I felt like I had during my Columbus marathon. I knew I could go sub 3, but didn't want to just give up and squeak it. I kept pushing and finished in 2:58:20 (65th OA woman). Another "best day of my life" moment.

That fall I ran Chicago (2016) in 2:59:xx. I was thrilled to know the first time wasn't a fluke. Boston 2017 I set my current pr: 2:56:41. That was extra special because my kids got to see me do it. Twenty days later I came in 2nd in The Flying Pig in 2:59:55.

2018 has been a little tougher. I had a devastating injury last August and fractured my sacrum. That took me out for awhile and shattered my confidence. I get extra freaky about any little twinge or pain. I had a rough Boston this year and was mentally and physically defeated by the weather (3:18), but rebounded somewhat later a few weeks at The Pig (3:05).

I am a masters runner and I don't know if I have peaked or if I am on the "other way down". I do know that I am enjoying the journey and will continue to do this until my body says "hell no".

I know I’m probably crazy but I do believe I have the ability to qualify if my ankles hold up. I was in the low 8:00/mile range prior to injury and improving slowly. If I get back to that level, and lose a few more pounds, I can put that together with a real training plan and I think I can do it. Stories like yours and @CheapRunnerMike make me believe it’s possible.
 
Oh, I forgot. I came on tonight because I need to see if anyone had heard Disney is no longer giving medals to people that are swept. My girlfriend heard that from someone and asked me if it’s true. I didn’t hear it so I didn’t know if anyone else heard. I figured if anyone would know it would be @Keels.
 

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