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[avengerspoilerer]

And that’s the Tea!!!

 

[sam_gordon]

Congratulations to the US Women's team. Great game!

And please, all you Americans who have been cheering for you women's team, now it's your turn to support them in their fight to be treated fairly by the US Soccer Federation. They deserve better.

M.

Totally agree they deserve better, including, in theory, equal pay to men. BUT, does the women's team bring in as much money (ticket sales, souvenirs, etc) as the men do? So where does the money come from to give them more pay?

 

[ashley0139]

Totally agree they deserve better, including, in theory, equal pay to men. BUT, does the women's team bring in as much money (ticket sales, souvenirs, etc) as the men do? So where does the money come from to give them more pay?

It's hard to get a concrete number, but in general, yes they do.

Also, is your income directly based on the money you bring in? I've literally only ever heard this argument when people are talking about the USWNT.

 

[maddiel]

Totally agree they deserve better, including, in theory, equal pay to men. BUT, does the women's team bring in as much money (ticket sales, souvenirs, etc) as the men do? So where does the money come from to give them more pay?

Yes, they do.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html
M.

 

[jrmasm]

Congrats to the USWNT!!!

Can’t wait to hear how you behaved badly today,

 

[sam_gordon]

Yes, they do.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html
M.

Well there you go.

 

[sam_gordon]

It's hard to get a concrete number, but in general, yes they do.

Also, is your income directly based on the money you bring in? I've literally only ever heard this argument when people are talking about the USWNT.

Well, considering my job requires me to spend company money and not bring it in, the answer to your question is "no". But it is logical to me that if the USWNT doesn't bring in as much money as the MNT (assuming a great disparity), then they shouldn't make as much. However, since that's not the case, it doesn't really matter. The women should be on the same salary/bonus structure as the men.

 

[ashley0139]

Well, considering my job requires me to spend company money and not bring it in, the answer to your question is "no". But it is logical to me that if the USWNT doesn't bring in as much money as the MNT (assuming a great disparity), then they shouldn't make as much. However, since that's not the case, it doesn't really matter. The women should be on the same salary/bonus structure as the men.

And their job is not to advertise or sell merchandise or broadcast the game over the airwaves. Bringing in the revenue is not their job. Their job is to play well, score goals, and win, which they do better than everybody else.

 

[sam_gordon]

And their job is not to advertise or sell merchandise or broadcast the game over the airwaves. Bringing in the revenue is not their job. Their job is to play well, score goals, and win, which they do better than everybody else.

And WNBA players have the same job. Should they get paid the same as NBA players despite the fact WNBA doesn't bring in as much $$? If the money is not there (which in this case it is), where do you want it to come from?

Please don't make it sound like I've said they deserve to be paid less. I think this is at least the third post where I've said they deserve as much as the men.

 

[ashley0139]

And WNBA players have the same job. Should they get paid the same as NBA players despite the fact WNBA doesn't bring in as much $$? If the money is not there (which in this case it is), where do you want it to come from?

Please don't make it sound like I've said they deserve to be paid less. I think this is at least the third post where I've said they deserve as much as the men.

Um, of course WNBA players should get paid the same as the men. Women and men should be paid equal pay for equal work (which has in fact been a law since 1963).

I'm not making it sound like that, I just disagree with your reasoning. In sports where the women "bring in more money," men are still paid the same as women. People would be up in arms if they weren't.

 

[jrmasm]

Both sides have agreed to mediation.

 

[wgeo]

If the argument is that the gender that is making more should get paid more than ok - nba players get more than wnba. But that means that womens soccer should make More than the men, and yet they're still fighting to be anywhere close to the men. It seems to me that this is a bigger issue than just about which group brings in more revenue, seems like there are other things being factored in.

 

[bcla]

Um, of course WNBA players should get paid the same as the men. Women and men should be paid equal pay for equal work (which has in fact been a law since 1963).

I'm not making it sound like that, I just disagree with your reasoning. In sports where the women "bring in more money," men are still paid the same as women. People would be up in arms if they weren't.

The NBA has a salary cap and minimum salaries that are tied to league TV revenues. The WNBA operates at a net loss to the NBA. Also - a lot of women's players prefer to play overseas because the money is better, even if the the talent isn't as good. The overseas leagues have better sponsors. The only way the WNBA could provide greater salaries would be with more subsidies from the NBA. The NBA is certainly trying, but the reality is the women's basketball players will never be paid as much as men's players.

Now individual sports are another matter. Just look at tennis.

As far as women's salaries go in soccer, it's kind of a tricky thing. Just ask the non-star players in the top US women's league. Many have quit because of the low pay, where only the players drawing a salary from the USWNT are making enough to make a decent living. I don't know how the lawsuit is going to go, but revenues from winning tournaments aren't necessarily sustainable in the long run.

 

[bcla]

Totally agree they deserve better, including, in theory, equal pay to men. BUT, does the women's team bring in as much money (ticket sales, souvenirs, etc) as the men do? So where does the money come from to give them more pay?

It's difficult to get a handle on all that because the primary sustainable revenue sources are from unified sponsorship and television deals where there's no breakdown. Their biggest single source of revenue is from Nike's sponsorship deal. The rest of their sponsorship is unified through MLS's for-profit marketing division, Soccer United Marketing. It sounds like they handle the TV and other marketing deals. They're not required to submit any breakdown beyond providing total numbers to the USSF, which is a nonprofit corporation.

https://www.ussoccer.com/governance/financial-information

 

[maddiel]

It's difficult to get a handle on all that because the primary sustainable revenue sources are from unified sponsorship and television deals where there's no breakdown. Their biggest single source of revenue is from Nike's sponsorship deal. The rest of their sponsorship is unified through MLS's for-profit marketing division, Soccer United Marketing. It sounds like they handle the TV and other marketing deals. They're not required to submit any breakdown beyond providing total numbers to the USSF, which is a nonprofit corporation.

Do you think there might possibly be some institutional bias that leads to the figures being reported in that way?
(Spoiler - I do.)

M.

 

[fly girl]

Um, of course WNBA players should get paid the same as the men. Women and men should be paid equal pay for equal work (which has in fact been a law since 1963).

I'm not making it sound like that, I just disagree with your reasoning. In sports where the women "bring in more money," men are still paid the same as women. People would be up in arms if they weren't.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree I wish women were paid equally. However, as in the WNBA I understand why they aren’t making as much as NBA. The revenue generated between those two is vastly different. NBA makes 100 times more than the WNBA. Sad, but true. You therefore cannot pay the same because if female players received those multi million dollar contracts, the league would be broke.

In the same token, female models make a lot more than males. Not many people up in arms over that.

 

[Jennasis]

The USWNT should get paid MORE than the USMNT. They're better.

 

[sam_gordon]

I understand what you are saying, and I agree I wish women were paid equally. However, as in the WNBA I understand why they aren’t making as much as NBA. The revenue generated between those two is vastly different. NBA makes 100 times more than the WNBA. Sad, but true. You therefore cannot pay the same because if female players received those multi million dollar contracts, the league would be broke.

That's what I've been trying to say. If the money isn't there, you can't pay it.

The USWNT should get paid MORE than the USMNT. They're better.

I'd say they're more successful. That doesn't mean better. I'd say the competition on the men's side is tougher than on the women's side.

 

[JaxDad]

I'd say they're more successful. That doesn't mean better. I'd say the competition on the men's side is tougher than on the women's side.

They could play each other; winner takes all.

 

[sam_gordon]

They could play each other; winner takes all.

That would be interesting to see.