"Ladies and Gentlemen" becoming an outdated term?

[ChrisFL]

I'm willing to bet that over 90% of people identify as one of the two primary genders and that's always been fine until the past few years it seems like.

Even in the term "LGBT" it implies two genders

 

[Sandeep1]

I'm only asking because you seem to think that because you are confident in your identify and present in a way that there is no reason for anyone to doubt it, that everyone is that way and those who aren't have something "wrong" with them. I'm asking you to put yourself in someone else's shoes, but it seems you can't even do that. Oh well.

Well nobody has doubted it in my 30+ years of living. I guess that's what happens when you go by the sex listed on your birth certificate. Crazy huh?

 

[soccerdad72]

Even in the term "LGBT" it implies two genders

The term now is LGBTQ+ The + encompasses a number of other designations.

 

[Happyinwonerland]

Is it ok for Ladies and Gentlemen to still be acknowledged too? Is there a third term of equal formality for the nonbinary set? As a biologically defined woman, who identifies as a woman, I don't mind acknowledging nonbinary persons, but I still matter too, and we should all equally be repsresented, should we not?

 

[sam_gordon]

Given that folks have slowly voted away their employee protections since the 80s, an employer can still terminate and not really worry about the letter of the law.

Even in the states that you don't have to show cause to fire someone, you can still get in trouble for firing someone in a protected class.

If an employee is made to feel uncomfortable pervasively, then that’s good enough. Employees rarely win suits against their employers for wrongful termination. Most of these suits fail.

The reality is that folks needs to be civil and inclusive.

I'm still of the opinion that saying "ladies and gentlemen" IS inclusive to 99.5% of the population.

 

[ChrisFL]

The term now is LGBTQ+ The + encompasses a number of other designations.

but "B" is still there, that means two genders. So if that's the case, do people who are in that community also not agree on the number of genders?

 

[skyblue17]

Well nobody has doubted it in my 30+ years of living. I guess that's what happens when you go by the sex listed on your birth certificate. Crazy huh?

You seem pretty unfamiliar with how people look after they transition.

 

[Colleen27]

Is it ok for Ladies and Gentlemen to still be acknowledged too? Is there a third term of equal formality for the nonbinary set? As a biologically defined woman, who identifies as a woman, I don't mind acknowledging nonbinary persons, but I still matter too, and we should all equally be repsresented, should we not?

Are you not represented if they choose to use "everyone" or change the greeting to "good morning" or "welcome" without a direct reference to the audience?

 

[skyblue17]

Is it ok for Ladies and Gentlemen to still be acknowledged too? Is there a third term of equal formality for the nonbinary set? As a biologically defined woman, who identifies as a woman, I don't mind acknowledging nonbinary persons, but I still matter too, and we should all equally be repsresented, should we not?

In what way are you not included in "everyone"? How does anyone at all stand out when a term that specifically exists to encompass all people is used? In what way does that imply that you don't matter?

 

[soccerdad72]

but "B" is still there, that means two genders. So if that's the case, do people who are in that community also not agree on the number of genders?

It's not a question of 'numbers' of genders. Simply that there's a segment of the population (outside of LGBT) who do not identify with a particular gender.

 

[skyblue17]

but "B" is still there, that means two genders. So if that's the case, do people who are in that community also not agree on the number of genders?

I'm curious what you think the B stands for? It's not related to gender.

 

[kiddo76]

I am a cisgender female and always have been. As a kid, I had that gender generic bowl haircut that was popular in the 80s. I was often mistaken for a boy if I was dressed in jeans and a tshirt. Would it have been appropriate when I corrected someone who thought I was a boy for them to either insist on referring to me as a boy or make me "prove" I was a girl?

 

[Colleen27]

Those who choose the bathroom fight seem to willfully ignore that some people can be quite far along in a transition before or if they ever have surgery. Which means that the same girl might be in a bathroom with what appears to be an adult male simply because society can't handle that person using the bathroom where they feel most comfortable. Who exactly is this helping?

Yep. My daughter has a friend who came out as trans about a year ago. Surgery is a distant dream at this point, both because of his age and because of the cost, but between hormones and his style of dress, hair, etc., I can promise you that a typical suburban mother would be alarmed to see him in the ladies room. The "plumbing" still matches his birth certificate but nothing about his outward presentation does, so a bystander would only see a fairly clean-cut, athletic looking 17yo boy lurking in the girls' bathroom.

 

[Happyinwonerland]

You do know transgender and gender fluidity is a mental illness right? It's not actually a real thing.

Is that per the DSM 5 or just your opinion?

 

[b2k1121]

Yes and there is absolutely nothing disrespectful about "good morning ladies and gentlemen." Further, I have no interest in indulging fantasies about someone claiming to be a man on Monday but a woman on Tuesday.

I'm just not going to do it.

Why do you care so much about something that doesn't affect you in any way? If my neighbor said they were a dinosaur, I'd say 'Cool, just don't eat my dog please'.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

What about people who actually like to be referred to as a lady or a gentleman. Thinking of some of our elders here. Do their opinions count? Or is just to heck with them, they're old and out of touch?

 

[skyblue17]

What about people who actually like to be referred to as a lady or a gentleman. Thinking of some of our elders here. Do their opinions count? Or is just to heck with them, they're old and out of touch?

In my experience, if you call a singular female "lady," you aren't doing it as a sign of respect.

 

[Sandeep1]

Is that per the DSM 5 or just your opinion?

There is no consensus on it. Some say mental illness, some don't. I'm firmly in the mental illness camp though.

 

[kiddo76]

but "B" is still there, that means two genders. So if that's the case, do people who are in that community also not agree on the number of genders?

Yes. Just as in any community, not everyone in the LGBTQIA community may all agree. In some communities, bisexuals were excluded and some Gays and Lesbians didn't believe someone could be attracted to all genders. Same with Transgender people, they were not always accepted. Gender identity and sexual preference "norms" are always evolving, even since before there was a label for it (meaning since the beginning of time).

 

[Sandeep1]

Why do you care so much about something that doesn't affect you in any way? If my neighbor said they were a dinosaur, I'd say 'Cool, just don't eat my dog please'.

I would argue having to indulge someone's fantasies does affect me.