Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[yankeesfan123]

One thing for sure this thread is going to be fascinating either way to look back on in a few months.

When Disney first closed in mid March, I predicted June in response to a tweet and was bombarded with people calling me a buffoon and it would only be closed for the two weeks...

 

[Brianstl]

From Google maps, this is what is still open for takeout and Disney Springs:

- 4r Cantina Food Truck
- The Boathouse
- Erin McKenna's Bakery
- Frontera Cocina
- Planet Hollywood
- Enzo's Hideaway


Again this is just what Google Maps is reporting so don't know how accurate it is.

It says all others are CLOSED when you click on them.

According to the website of each or their Facebook page everyone of those restaurants is shut down completely with the exception of Erin McKenna's which appears to be open only for delivery.

 

[mshanson3121]

According to the website of each or their Facebook page everyone of those restaurants is shut down completely with the exception of Erin McKenna's which appears to be open only for delivery.

One of the comments I'm seeing regularly among women on social media, one that I myself share, is how much they are sick of cooking and miss eating out. I can see Disney Springs being very busy and making a good chunk of change just on dining when they open back up, even if they do have to reduce capacity. I've already told DH the day we're allowed back out - we're going out for supper to my fave pub, and I do not care how much it costs

 

[gotomu212]

I am sorry I didn't mean to say that it would intentionally be locals-only. I just meant....with no resorts open, I doubt there will be very many tourists, flocking in to go go to Disney Springs.

For that reason, I think it will end up being primary locals.

No worries, I got what you were saying. I was just wondering further how many locals would visit DS given that Orlando has been hit particularly early and hard economically due to the collapse in tourism.

 

[Tigger's ally]

One of the comments I'm seeing regularly among women on social media, one that I myself share, is how much they are sick of cooking and miss eating out. I can see Disney Springs being very busy and making a good chunk of change just on dining when they open back up, even if they do have to reduce capacity. I've already told DH the day we're allowed back out - we're going out for supper to my fave pub, and I do not care how much it costs

Those of us men that do all the cooking feel the same way.. I also am spending money one meal a day at a local restaurant. Never had a steak be hand walked to my vehicle but I can't say that anymore.

 

[anthony2k7]

One of the comments I'm seeing regularly among women on social media, one that I myself share, is how much they are sick of cooking and miss eating out. I can see Disney Springs being very busy and making a good chunk of change just on dining when they open back up, even if they do have to reduce capacity. I've already told DH the day we're allowed back out - we're going out for supper to my fave pub, and I do not care how much it costs

Iv told the wife to get used to it, we wont be able to afford to eat out any time soon!

 

[xuxa777]

Updated IHME model out, only posting about FL, it moved the peak to May 3rd now. Still sticking by my earlier opinion the peak was already at the beginning of April

 

[Tigger's ally]

Updated IHME model out, only posting about FL, it moved the peak to May 3rd now. Still sticking by my earlier opinion the peak was already at the beginning of April

Does Florida get credit for all those cases getting off them cruise ships?

 

[shanes17]

Updated IHME model out, only posting about FL, it moved the peak to May 3rd now. Still sticking by my earlier opinion the peak was already at the beginning of April

Is that the same 'model' that has been wrong, pretty much every single time so far?

I wish people would stop wasting time with that thing. Its been a lie since the beginning.

No offense to you, I'm certain you didn't create the model!

 

[rteetz]

Let's not debate models now please...

 

[mi*vida*loca]

https://www.kennythepirate.com/2020/04/13/disneyland-paris-likely-wont-open-until-mid-summer/

 

[dynastyyanks]

Florida's surgeon general: "Until we get a vaccine, which is a while off, this is going to be our new normal and we need to adapt and protect ourselves".

https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...-until-a-vaccine-exists-surgeon-general-says/

 

[jdrasin]

The op pointed out that we're already going to grocery stores. Immune compromised have to get food too. A lot of people touch things in a grocery store.
If this virus has the long incubation period that has been discussed, it would be extremely difficult to trace a single infection accurately.
I think as for Disney reopening, when it does there will still be many people who are uncomfortable going. Like everything we do in life, we just have to do a risk assessment for ourselves and those close to us.

I think what makes this situation a little different is that the risk is not fully on the individual. If I decide to skydive, i'm largely internalizing the risk, no one else is going to get hurt (unless I land on them). However, in this situation, I could be causing a new vector, which can lead to a lot of people being hurt who did not make that choice. My family comes back, then my kids go to school, then other kids get it, then their parents get it, etc....

 

[Jroceagles]

https://www.kennythepirate.com/2020/04/13/disneyland-paris-likely-wont-open-until-mid-summer/

Mid July. I could see that for an opening of all the Disney resorts

 

[OnceUponATime15]

When Disney first closed in mid March, I predicted June in response to a tweet and was bombarded with people calling me a buffoon and it would only be closed for the two weeks...

I resisted posting my guess because I knew I’d get flamed.. lol.

I’m not an alarmist and from the start of the different closures here at home and abroad since mid-March I’ve just taken things a day or two at a time, adjusting as new info comes along.

I questioned early how the Parks could safely re open during the busiest months of the year - summer break. I haven’t seen a strong enough argument yet for how that would happen - either from a profit making business standpoint or a public health standpoint. Both have to work together in order for success.
People predicted the Springs would re open first and that seemed logical until the reality of who would shop there was a thought. The locals are particularly hard hit in the Orlando area - furloughed, jobs lost or living on the supports provided by the government to stay afloat. Maybe the Springs first.. but again it has to be viable with foot traffic (guests) in order to be a business success. Businesses need to cover their operating costs and turn a profit for it to make sense.
Resorts opening will likely happen when the Parks open, not many people who are not disney diehards are going to go to WDW with the main draws closed... then try to figure out how to fill their days.

I think that between Bob Iger (the idea/logistics man) and Bob Chapek (the numbers guy) the plan that comes together will not only address the when - but it will do it in a way that covers all the necessary bases and has the vacationing public willing excitedly to take that longed for Disney vacation. Guaranteed Disney magic - I wouldn’t expect less from a company who provides magic on a grand scale all around the world in many different ways.

I wouldn’t hesitate a guess on the how... I just know that they and their teams of dreamers and doers - will get it right.

The when... late summer/fall. Magic takes time even with pixie dust flying

 

[osufeth24]

Vaccines also have side effects, and they can sometimes (rarely) infect people who weren't already sick. As a result, they need to go through long-term testing on animal subjects, and then human subjects before they are released to the public. Remember that vaccines aren't antibiotics that kill the virus; they are usually small amounts of the dead virus injected to encourage antibodies without doing ourselves more damage. It's why a lot of people feel lousy for a day or two after a flu shot. I think a LOT of people are banking on a vaccine to kill this thing, but in most cases that's not what vaccines do. They simply help our bodies fight things.

One of the things that will help dictate when WDW reopens is actually abandoning the mentality that a vaccine is coming that will safeguard people from the disease. That and adopting a new mentality around mortailty rates. I think Tom Hanks did a lot this weekend just by appearing on SNL -- he was healthy, fine, in good spirits, no real side effects. The same thing with Boris Johnson getting sick, going to ICU and coming out of it okay. Those are the kinds of stories the public needs to hear more of in order to get over some of the fear. The actual mortality rate needs to be discussed much more often than it is. If people start understanding that this is a disease that mostly effects the elderly and even of them, mostly effects those with underlying conditions, then they'll be more willing to accept getting back to normal. No one wants to risk the lives of our most vulnerable, but we also need to understand -- and really believe -- that for the vast majority of us catching this thing is no big deal.

There needs to be some reporting outside of New York about it. New York is unique in America for its density and its human intermingling; no other city is as dependent on mass and shared transportation as New York; there is no where else in America where people are as jammed together as often as they are there. WDW on a 10 really has nothing on a Manhattan sidewalk most days at noon. So far this has been national reaction to what has been so far primarily a New York disaster. More than half the deaths in America so far have come from New York and New Jersey. There was a projected shortage of 8000 ICU beds in the country, which is why flattening the curve became so important. But of that 8000 shortage, 6900 were in New York and New Jersey. And if the current projections are to be believed, of the 62,000 American deaths to COVID 19, 18,000 of them will have been in New York and New Jersey. That's 28 percent of the deaths from a region that makes up less than 10 percent of the national population.

Now, some of that might work against WDW reopening, because population density might be the key in the virus spreading. So why cram a bunch of people into a smaller space if you don't have to? There's certainly validity to that. But the flip of it is that despite the weeks of crowds before the shutdown -- despite the beach shots the news all showed --despite Mardi Gras going on, and despite sporting events that were all happening even after the virus reached America -- the only dramatic spikes we've seen have been in New York. The good news -- really great news, actually -- is that New York is starting to decrease in reported cases and deaths. Not dramatically yet, and certainly way too many. But the number is starting to head downward. And as it does, so will the attitude of those who influence our society so strongly. As the media (and various celebrities and influencers and such) start to feel more confident about life getting back to normal, so will we all.

So there are a lot of things that have to happen to the national perception of this disease to make it possible for WDW to reopen. But I do think we're starting to see some of them. New York rates going down; nowhere else spiking. Famous people having caught the disease and having recovered. There is still along way to go, but as I've said before, I think June 1 is still a long way away.

I think this is the most reasonable post I've seen in here.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1249760113063268352

Sure doesn’t sound like Disney thinks Movie Theatres are going to be open in June...

 

[whiporee]

I resisted posting my guess because I knew I’d get flamed.. lol.

I’m not an alarmist and from the start of the different closures here at home and abroad since mid-March I’ve just taken things a day or two at a time, adjusting as new info comes along.

I questioned early how the Parks could safely re open during the busiest months of the year - summer break. I haven’t seen a strong enough argument yet for how that would happen - either from a profit making business standpoint or a public health standpoint. Both have to work together in order for success.
People predicted the Springs would re open first and that seemed logical until the reality of who would shop there was a thought. The locals are particularly hard hit in the Orlando area - furloughed, jobs lost or living on the supports provided by the government to stay afloat. Maybe the Springs first.. but again it has to be viable with foot traffic (guests) in order to be a business success. Businesses need to cover their operating costs and turn a profit for it to make sense.
Resorts opening will likely happen when the Parks open, not many people who are not disney diehards are going to go to WDW with the main draws closed... then try to figure out how to fill their days.

I think that between Bob Iger (the idea/logistics man) and Bob Chapek (the numbers guy) the plan that comes together will not only address the when - but it will do it in a way that covers all the necessary bases and has the vacationing public willing excitedly to take that longed for Disney vacation. Guaranteed Disney magic - I wouldn’t expect less from a company who provides magic on a grand scale all around the world in many different ways.

I wouldn’t hesitate a guess on the how... I just know that they and their teams of dreamers and doers - will get it right.

The when... late summer/fall. Magic takes time even with pixie dust flying

I want to ask this question to you and others who think the opening will be later. Why?

If we're at least a year from any vaccine, and if the death rates in the country are dropping, why do you think Disney would/should wait? I'm not being sarcastic -- do you not think the models that show the death rate at almost zero by mid June are accurate? The disease apparently cycles through the body in 14 days or so, so if we've all been social distancing for a month or two, why do you think it makes a difference for WDW to wait until the fall instead of the summer? If you think the disease isn't spreading because of social distancing, then why would returning anytime before a cure be better than any other?

Not trying to be snarky, it's just a line of reasoning I don't understand. I know people are adamant about delaying opening things up. I just don't understand why. What is the theory you're putting your faith in?

 

[jerry557]

Florida's surgeon general: "Until we get a vaccine, which is a while off, this is going to be our new normal and we need to adapt and protect ourselves".

https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...-until-a-vaccine-exists-surgeon-general-says/

In other words, Disney, Universal, and Sea World all better prepare for bankruptcy.

 

[rteetz]

Sure doesn’t sound like Disney thinks Movie Theatres are going to be open in June...

At the very least they don't think the box office will be strong at that point to debut a big movie like this.