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I want to put our cars in the garage, but every time DH cleans it out, he puts more stuff in it.
First it was goose decoys. Then he built a giant workbench that fills up an entire garage bay, so everything else has to go in the other side. Now he has baby chicks caged out there until they are big enough to fit in the coop. We have plans to put up a detached garage, but he hasn't started working towards them yet, so I don't expect it to happen this year.
He grew up without an attached garage, so he doesn't really understand the concept of putting cars in one year round. He only lived in two houses growing up and one didn't have a garage at all. The house his parents live in now has an outbuilding, but they only use it for their cars when the weather gets really bad. We've been in this house for 2.5 years and I've only been able to park in the garage for a few months one winter. He basically uses it as a barn....

There's definitely a downside to the immediate notice home security systems. Most people probably don't need to know what is going on around their house that badly.


Yeah....I looked that up. The timing just barely locked me out from it, which is annoying, but oh well. It does mean that I either have to give up on a Sapphire card for this round of travel, or only open 4 new cards in the next 18 months, so I have the slot open in January 2022.

I probably really need to convince DH to let me churn in his name, or suck up paying out of pocket for the lion's share of our travel.


My Mom is the same way. My kids are all still young enough that they pretty much have to go where I tell them to go!
I wouldn't count on him being able to come. I expect getting leave authorized from the military will be very difficult for at least another year. Then they'll likely be prioritizing leave for people who are returning from deployments, PCSing or other non-leisure leave. When he gets back from deployment, he'll have a lot more leverage towards getting leave authorized. Even then, they can restrict where he is allowed to go.
I'm just glad they didn't recall my husband to active duty. He got an email about the possibility in March.
Since we lived in Iowa it was pretty essential to put our cars in the garage. It helped with the snow and ice and was a lot easier to heat our cars in the morning. Now that we live in Florida it’s the opposite and helps keep the car out of the direct sun. We agreed that if we can’t put our cars in the garage then we have too much stuff
 
We’re using a HELOC as a tool to help us pay for our kids’ college and our credit line is way larger than what we need. We set it up that way intentionally just in case we needed it. If they cut our credit line down, we may have trouble paying for their college. Right now we have about one semester’s worth of tuition/room/board on it. I guess we’ll keep doing what we started doing in March...making minimum payments and stashing as much as possible in savings, just in case they cut our credit line. All that to say...thanks for the heads up on this possibility, @palhockeymomof2 and @ctinct.
 
My Mom is the same way. My kids are all still young enough that they pretty much have to go where I tell them to go!
I wouldn't count on him being able to come. I expect getting leave authorized from the military will be very difficult for at least another year. Then they'll likely be prioritizing leave for people who are returning from deployments, PCSing or other non-leisure leave. When he gets back from deployment, he'll have a lot more leverage towards getting leave authorized. Even then, they can restrict where he is allowed to go.
I'm just glad they didn't recall my husband to active duty. He got an email about the possibility in March.
They're still being told they may have pre-deployment block leave so we're kind of waiting to see if that lines up and what restrictions they place on that. He's stationed up the road and we are just inside the restricted travel zone so I've seen him twice in the past month. He had scheduled leave last month and they didn't cancel it until I think day of, typical military lol
 
Thanks for all the inspiration to travel to Utah. National Parks were our pre-pandemic plan for 2021, but I haven't had the heart to plan anything at this point, so it's not going to happen any time soon. Embarrassed to ask this, but does anyone have any suggestions for touring that region if one is more of a resort princess and doesn't like to camp or stay in little motels? Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Also, thanks for teaching me more about mortgages - I had no idea about some of this stuff. The no new HELOC news is bad for me, because DH and I have been wanting to get one just in case something big happens to the house and it needs a lot of repairs, but it's one of those things we keep putting off. :(
They have hotels too. Pretty much every chain will capitalize on somewhere that gets tourists.

Goblin Valley seems to be the only place that doesn't have its own cache of hotels.
 


I had read somewhere that the grocery category on the Chase cards( other than the CF)was a little looser and might include Target if they had a specific grocery section. I decided to experiment and can confirm that my Target did not:(. It's just a regular target with groceries, not a Super Target. Has anyone had any surprises of what codes as grocery with the new bonus?
Bummer. I just did that same experiment today so it hasn't posted yet for me to see. My regular Walmart did code 5x on CSR, I did a GC purchase on Monday.

My Target is a Super Target (had to check) and it did code 5x on CSR :) I bought only a giftcard, nothing else.
 


Since we lived in Iowa it was pretty essential to put our cars in the garage. It helped with the snow and ice and was a lot easier to heat our cars in the morning. Now that we live in Florida it’s the opposite and helps keep the car out of the direct sun. We agreed that if we can’t put our cars in the garage then we have too much stuff
We're in Kansas, and I actually tore a handle off my car a few months ago, because it froze over.
Part of the problem this last year was that I was expecting a baby, so my ability to move stuff around has been limited.
We pretty much parked our cars in our garage until we moved out here. So, most of what changed is that he won't consistently limit himself to the small workshop area with his projects. He won't put those projects off either.

They're still being told they may have pre-deployment block leave so we're kind of waiting to see if that lines up and what restrictions they place on that. He's stationed up the road and we are just inside the restricted travel zone so I've seen him twice in the past month. He had scheduled leave last month and they didn't cancel it until I think day of, typical military lol
Yeah...I wouldn't obsess over ADRs.
What are your plans for that day otherwise? Are you staying at one of the Epcot resorts, or is this a pop out through the international gateway type of plan?
 
Yeah...I wouldn't obsess over ADRs.
What are your plans for that day otherwise? Are you staying at one of the Epcot resorts, or is this a pop out through the international gateway type of plan?
It would be an IG pop over. I can't find anything in Epcot that I want to pay for while dealing with YDS and his food issues on a hot day. We don't normally do many ADRs, but I thought it'd be a nice break in the afternoon. I'm not putting a lot into planning this trip, we're very much going to go with whatever happens and do our best.
 
Thanks! I don't mind sharing pics. I just wish I had some new travel pics to share from our travel hacking adventures. 2020 is looking like a whole lotta points and no where to go. Our latest cancellation was for what was supposed to be our first DVC Vero Beach stay over Memorial weekend. It got cancelled by DVC a few days ago. I had originally used Sep UY 2019 points to book the stay before the beginning of the zombie apocalypse. When I saw that DVC would return borrowed points back to their UY if they cancelled, I called in and switched out those 2019 points so I could bank them and used borrowed points so I wouldn't be stuck with soon to expire points if DVC cancelled. Glad I did that. So another trip bites the dust. I have a handful of speculative reservations for WDW for June and July but I'm not really counting those as trips. If they happen great, if not, great.

The next real vacation up to bat is Northern Ireland and Ireland in September, followed by Dubai and Africa in December. That's a long time in an N95 mask for both trips. I can swing it since I wear them for work (I'm back at work and off furlough) and have finally gotten used to wearing one all day. I dunno if PlanePrincess can though. I'm hoping there is a solid cure or preventative therapeutic by then.

This year I feel like truck stuck in the mud, spinning my wheels and going nowhere. Y'all know I'm normally vacation planned out for at least the next 2 - 3 years. Beyond December, I've got nothing and haven't even begun to try and plan anything. So much uncertainty. If I didn't have the current September and December trips booked I think I'd be all over booking and changing flights with Qatar to get business class seats at a really great price. But, I don't want to wind up getting left with a travel voucher. I've already got a few of those from cancelled trips that I'm not sure what I'm going to do with just yet. #firstworldproblems So for the first time, I find myself having no idea where I may be going next year.

I am firmly in the pro-mask camp (it makes me sad that I even have to say that--I can't believe it's even an issue). I wore one on my trip to Hawaii in February and my trip to London in March, but admittedly those trips weren't as hard core as things have been recently. I mostly wore them on the plane. We wear surgical masks or bandanas when we go outside to exercise and N95s when we are going to be inside anywhere close to people (post office, grocery stores, etc.). They've been mandatory where I live for a while, and people here get that they are wearing a mask (surgical or handmade) to protect others from asymptotic spread so 99% of people I see are following the mandates.

But to your point, wearing an N95 for International travel in today's world is a different beast. I can attest to that, as DD20 and I just got back last night from a last minute trip to England. I can tell you that after wearing masks for almost 24 hours getting there, and 20 hours on the way back, we were ready to have a bonfire with those blasted things. We double masked--N95 under and surgical on top to keep it "fresh" but they were still icky. But as the alternative was much more unpleasant, we managed, and until there is a vaccine or therapeutic, we will do so again. A little discomfort is nothing compared to the alternative. When you hear someone cough or sniffle on a plane today, I can tell you, you jump and you are VERY happy that they are wearing a mask as are you.

Like you, we have had to cancel a bunch of Disney trips (and Hawaii) but still have International trips planned in September and December--both are to England. As DD is starting Oxford for her masters in the fall, the September trip is going to happen if the UK is open. As of right now, Oxford is "endeavoring" (its word, LOL), to start on time in early October. We will go even if we have to quarantine first for 14-days there. The December trip was to spend Christmas with her and that one is more up in the air. Much will depend on how open things are, whether there is a quarantine in place in the UK, and how many people are traveling. After our recent experience these are all big factors.

I'm still putting my thoughts together on our trip, but it was one that I will never forget. I really feel as if we got *extremely* lucky and slipped through a weird crack in time. We had very little contact with anyone the entire trip. I've had more uncomfortable experiences at the grocery store. But as lucky as we were with our timing, it was also eerie and disconcerting to be walking through an empty Heathrow or sitting on a tube car through central London by ourselves.

DD has been attending University in England for the past few years. She's graduating this year (England is only 3 years), so we had a big trip planned this summer for graduation. Due to Covid she was sent home in March. Unfortunately, she didn't pack up her apartment and we had to get her stuff out before her lease was up. When her university cancelled graduation and British Air cancelled our June flights, we were worried about what would happen if we couldn't get out there next month. Her stuff was all mixed up with her roommates who from Norway and even more locked down than we are, and the apartment had already been rented so we couldn't extend her rent. The company wasn't helpful with options. Anyway, as moving is considered essential, we knew we could get over there now. I'd been following a couple boards, and decided to make a run for it when I heard how light planes were to London. Literally, the day after I changed our BA tickets (a few days before we traveled), the UK announced they were going to be starting a 14-day quarantine at the end of the month or early June. Talk about great timing.

So we flew out last Monday and returned yesterday. As BA has cancelled all direct flights to LHR out of SFO, we had to fly out of LAX. BA has also cancelled the LHR to NCL route so we had to take a train to Durham. It was a logistical nightmare that I put together in three days, with the biggest issue being hotels and food. Literally nothing is open over there. There are only a few hotels open near Heathrow (thank you Hilton points!) and most restaurants are closed even for pick up. There are a handful of restaurants using delivery services (and pizza) so we knew we could eat, but it's very different than here. In general, I would say the UK is much more locked down than we are even in the Bay Area. Even Costa and Starbucks are all closed in England. The streets were very very quiet, even in central London. But they were just easing restrictions as we were leaving so that could change--when I say we slipped through a weird crack I mean it.

Here's a sampling:
--On our trip from LAX to LHR there were about 30 people total on our flight. My daughter and I shared an entire Club World (business) cabin with one other person. There were 27 people on our return flight and we shared the Club World cabin with three other people. Crazy!
--We were the only people on our Heathrow Express car; there was one other person on the entire train.
--On the train from London King's Cross to Durham we had two or three other people in our car; on the way back we were the ONLY people in the car the entire way. I felt like the queen, LOL.
--On our tube ride from London's King Cross to our Heathrow area hotel we had about 5 people in the entire carriage for the first half of the trip. No one got on our carriage through all the stops of central London (I literally saw 2-3 people on the Green park station waiting to get on); for the second half of the trip we had the entire tube car to ourselves. It was a Sunday evening, which I think was crucial timing, but it was crazy.
--There are no restaurants open at any rail station or airport in the UK. The only food/drink available is from Boots or a convenience type store. So yuck.
--British air is not serving alcohol (which was surprisingly sucky) and only had 2 snack services (the food was the same for everyone and was pretty bleak). There were also no lounges open anywhere. In other words, you had to bring your own food and the only reason to fly in business was the lie flat. I had the brilliant idea of buying cup noodle type ramen for our food on the way back and it worked out perfectly.

The one negative of BA is that although all the passengers were wearing masks, only a couple of the flight attendants were. ***? It's too dangerous to serve alcohol or food but not to spread germs on the passenger? Yuck. I really hope they change that. Still, we had little contact with them so I really feel as if the whole international travel part was safer than I've felt at times in the market at home. If we picked anything up, I'd be shocked if it was from any of the international part of the trip. We had almost no contact with anyone the entire time--and except for a handful of times people walked past us on the train or plane all of it was social distanced with us wearing masks. There were a lot more people wearing masks in the UK than in March, but it still isn't like the Bay Area. The difference is that people aren't really out in the UK at all. They are locking down way more than we are even in a place like the Bay Area.

The worst part of the entire trip by far was the Southwest trip from Oakland to LAX and back. Our plane down was probably a little over half full, and the a@#hat in front of me kept lowering his mask as soon as the flight attendant would walk away--in between big sniffs. Seriously? He was the only person in both directions that wasn't wearing his mask, and of course he had to sit right in front of us. On both flights there was enough space for everyone to have their own row and middle seats were empty, but it still felt too crowded. The flight back was a little lighter, but even with 2/3 of the plane empty and everyone masked it wasn't exactly comfortable. There was still someone behind me and in front of me within a couple feet. Southwest is blocking off the first three rows and last three rows to keep people away from flight attendants, which I guess I understand, but if the flight had been any more crowded it would have been an issue. There is no drink or food service of any kind. The flight attendants came by to collect trash one time, but that was it.

It was a Twilight Zone type of experience, but what I'd take from it: Flying domestically is not fun and you will not be feeling social distanced even with 1/3 to 1/2 full flights. Flying internationally was surprisingly nice except for the eerie ghost town part of it. But I expect that will all change as things start to loosen. When planes fill, it's going to be a different. I'm really glad we jumped and went when we did.

We are just glad to be home and counting the days until we can are free from worry of exposure. I wish testing were an option, but they haven't opened it up here to everyone.

Here are some pics to get an idea of how deserted it really was:

1: Southwest flight to LAX (and the a#$hat in front of me)
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2. A deserted LAX international terminal:
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3. Our Club World cabin almost to ourselves
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4: Heathrow on arrival. Our flight was the only one in the entire terminal. We were off the plane and through customs in less than 15 minutes.
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5. An empty King's Cross Rail station (this is the Harry Potter station and usually PACKED). This was lunchtime on Tuesday.
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6: Durham high street midday on a weekday.
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7. Our completely empty train carriage from Durham to London (3 hours by ourselves)
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8. King's Cross tube station on Sunday at about 4 pm.
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9. Our Piccadilly line tube carriage to ourselves
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10. A shuttered duty free terminal at Heathrow. The only thing open was boots and a bookstore/newstand:
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We're in Kansas, and I actually tore a handle off my car a few months ago, because it froze over.
Part of the problem this last year was that I was expecting a baby, so my ability to move stuff around has been limited.
We pretty much parked our cars in our garage until we moved out here. So, most of what changed is that he won't consistently limit himself to the small workshop area with his projects. He won't put those projects off either.


Yeah...I wouldn't obsess over ADRs.
What are your plans for that day otherwise? Are you staying at one of the Epcot resorts, or is this a pop out through the international gateway type of plan?

Just wanted to say hi to a fellow Kansan! :wave2::wave:
 
We had a HELOC with BOA when the economy tanked in 2007/2008 they did cut the credit line down to the amount we had on it.

We had the same experience. BOA claimed with the housing downturn, our house wasn't worth enough to justify the credit line. I tried submitting comps from our realtor to contest it, but they didn't care. They took our line all the way down to ZERO right after we paid it off.
 
I am firmly in the pro-mask camp (it makes me sad that I even have to say that--I can't believe it's even an issue). I wore one on my trip to Hawaii in February and my trip to London in March, but admittedly those trips weren't as hard core as things have been recently. I mostly wore them on the plane. We wear surgical masks or bandanas when we go outside to exercise and N95s when we are going to be inside anywhere close to people (post office, grocery stores, etc.). They've been mandatory where I live for a while, and people here get that they are wearing a mask (surgical or handmade) to protect others from asymptotic spread so 99% of people I see are following the mandates.

But to your point, wearing an N95 for International travel in today's world is a different beast. I can attest to that, as DD20 and I just got back last night from a last minute trip to England. I can tell you that after wearing masks for almost 24 hours getting there, and 20 hours on the way back, we were ready to have a bonfire with those blasted things. We double masked--N95 under and surgical on top to keep it "fresh" but they were still icky. But as the alternative was much more unpleasant, we managed, and until there is a vaccine or therapeutic, we will do so again. A little discomfort is nothing compared to the alternative. When you hear someone cough or sniffle on a plane today, I can tell you, you jump and you are VERY happy that they are wearing a mask as are you.

Like you, we have had to cancel a bunch of Disney trips (and Hawaii) but still have International trips planned in September and December--both are to England. As DD is starting Oxford for her masters in the fall, the September trip is going to happen if the UK is open. As of right now, Oxford is "endeavoring" (its word, LOL), to start on time in early October. We will go even if we have to quarantine first for 14-days there. The December trip was to spend Christmas with her and that one is more up in the air. Much will depend on how open things are, whether there is a quarantine in place in the UK, and how many people are traveling. After our recent experience these are all big factors.

I'm still putting my thoughts together on our trip, but it was one that I will never forget. I really feel as if we got *extremely* lucky and slipped through a weird crack in time. We had very little contact with anyone the entire trip. I've had more uncomfortable experiences at the grocery store. But as lucky as we were with our timing, it was also eerie and disconcerting to be walking through an empty Heathrow or sitting on a tube car through central London by ourselves.

DD has been attending University in England for the past few years. She's graduating this year (England is only 3 years), so we had a big trip planned this summer for graduation. Due to Covid she was sent home in March. Unfortunately, she didn't pack up her apartment and we had to get her stuff out before her lease was up. When her university cancelled graduation and British Air cancelled our June flights, we were worried about what would happen if we couldn't get out there next month. Her stuff was all mixed up with her roommates who from Norway and even more locked down than we are, and the apartment had already been rented so we couldn't extend her rent. The company wasn't helpful with options. Anyway, as moving is considered essential, we knew we could get over there now. I'd been following a couple boards, and decided to make a run for it when I heard how light planes were to London. Literally, the day after I changed our BA tickets (a few days before we traveled), the UK announced they were going to be starting a 14-day quarantine at the end of the month or early June. Talk about great timing.

So we flew out last Monday and returned yesterday. As BA has cancelled all direct flights to LHR out of SFO, we had to fly out of LAX. BA has also cancelled the LHR to NCL route so we had to take a train to Durham. It was a logistical nightmare that I put together in three days, with the biggest issue being hotels and food. Literally nothing is open over there. There are only a few hotels open near Heathrow (thank you Hilton points!) and most restaurants are closed even for pick up. There are a handful of restaurants using delivery services (and pizza) so we knew we could eat, but it's very different than here. In general, I would say the UK is much more locked down than we are even in the Bay Area. Even Costa and Starbucks are all closed in England. The streets were very very quiet, even in central London. But they were just easing restrictions as we were leaving so that could change--when I say we slipped through a weird crack I mean it.

Here's a sampling:
--On our trip from LAX to LHR there were about 30 people total on our flight. My daughter and I shared an entire Club World (business) cabin with one other person. There were 27 people on our return flight and we shared the Club World cabin with three other people. Crazy!
--We were the only people on our Heathrow Express car; there was one other person on the entire train.
--On the train from London King's Cross to Durham we had two or three other people in our car; on the way back we were the ONLY people in the car the entire way. I felt like the queen, LOL.
--On our tube ride from London's King Cross to our Heathrow area hotel we had about 5 people in the entire carriage for the first half of the trip. No one got on our carriage through all the stops of central London (I literally saw 2-3 people on the Green park station waiting to get on); for the second half of the trip we had the entire tube car to ourselves. It was a Sunday evening, which I think was crucial timing, but it was crazy.
--There are no restaurants open at any rail station or airport in the UK. The only food/drink available is from Boots or a convenience type store. So yuck.
--British air is not serving alcohol (which was surprisingly sucky) and only had 2 snack services (the food was the same for everyone and was pretty bleak). There were also no lounges open anywhere. In other words, you had to bring your own food and the only reason to fly in business was the lie flat. I had the brilliant idea of buying cup noodle type ramen for our food on the way back and it worked out perfectly.

The one negative of BA is that although all the passengers were wearing masks, only a couple of the flight attendants were. ***? It's too dangerous to serve alcohol or food but not to spread germs on the passenger? Yuck. I really hope they change that. Still, we had little contact with them so I really feel as if the whole international travel part was safer than I've felt at times in the market at home. If we picked anything up, I'd be shocked if it was from any of the international part of the trip. We had almost no contact with anyone the entire time--and except for a handful of times people walked past us on the train or plane all of it was social distanced with us wearing masks. There were a lot more people wearing masks in the UK than in March, but it still isn't like the Bay Area. The difference is that people aren't really out in the UK at all. They are locking down way more than we are even in a place like the Bay Area.

The worst part of the entire trip by far was the Southwest trip from Oakland to LAX and back. Our plane down was probably a little over half full, and the a@#hat in front of me kept lowering his mask as soon as the flight attendant would walk away--in between big sniffs. Seriously? He was the only person in both directions that wasn't wearing his mask, and of course he had to sit right in front of us. On both flights there was enough space for everyone to have their own row and middle seats were empty, but it still felt too crowded. The flight back was a little lighter, but even with 2/3 of the plane empty and everyone masked it wasn't exactly comfortable. There was still someone behind me and in front of me within a couple feet. Southwest is blocking off the first three rows and last three rows to keep people away from flight attendants, which I guess I understand, but if the flight had been any more crowded it would have been an issue. There is no drink or food service of any kind. The flight attendants came by to collect trash one time, but that was it.

It was a Twilight Zone type of experience, but what I'd take from it: Flying domestically is not fun and you will not be feeling social distanced even with 1/3 to 1/2 full flights. Flying internationally was surprisingly nice except for the eerie ghost town part of it. But I expect that will all change as things start to loosen. When planes fill, it's going to be a different. I'm really glad we jumped and went when we did.

We are just glad to be home and counting the days until we can are free from worry of exposure. I wish testing were an option, but they haven't opened it up here to everyone.

Here are some pics to get an idea of how deserted it really was:

1: Southwest flight to LAX (and the a#$hat in front of me)
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2. A deserted LAX international terminal:
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3. Our Club World cabin almost to ourselves
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4: Heathrow on arrival. Our flight was the only one in the entire terminal. We were off the plane and through customs in less than 15 minutes.
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5. An empty King's Cross Rail station (this is the Harry Potter station and usually PACKED). This was lunchtime on Tuesday.
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6: Durham high street midday on a weekday.
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7. Our completely empty train carriage from Durham to London (3 hours by ourselves)
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8. King's Cross tube station on Sunday at about 4 pm.
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9. Our Piccadilly line tube carriage to ourselves
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10. A shuttered duty free terminal at Heathrow. The only thing open was boots and a bookstore/newstand:
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Wow! Those pictures are amazing (and so eerie). So glad everything went as well as it did. Talk about perfect timing! We are like you in regard to travel to the U.K. later this year. If Edinburgh is open to students, we will be traveling to Scotland in September to move DD in, even if it means arriving 14 days early to self-quarantine. It is just a non-starter to send DD (who will barely be 18) to begin university in a different country on her own. Crossing fingers Boris Johnson will either back off on the quarantine or that it will be ended by mid-September.
 
We had the same experience. BOA claimed with the housing downturn, our house wasn't worth enough to justify the credit line. I tried submitting comps from our realtor to contest it, but they didn't care. They took our line all the way down to ZERO right after we paid it off.

BofA is evil. They basically did the same to a cc I had years ago. Paid off the balance I'd been carrying and the reduced my cl to 500. No longer wanted me. Had they not done that I'd probably still have the card because it didn't have an af.

Oh well. A few cards I'd closed fell off my cr last week so dropped my score 3 points. Noticed my aac is 7 years cause only 2 cards are 15 or more years old. Oh well. Not worried but that one card would be nice to have on there.
 
Wow! Those pictures are amazing (and so eerie). So glad everything went as well as it did. Talk about perfect timing! We are like you in regard to travel to the U.K. later this year. If Edinburgh is open to students, we will be traveling to Scotland in September to move DD in, even if it means arriving 14 days early to self-quarantine. It is just a non-starter to send DD (who will barely be 18) to begin university in a different country on her own. Crossing fingers Boris Johnson will either back off on the quarantine or that it will be ended by mid-September.
The pics really are incredible. Since you know London, you know how crazy it is to be on a tube car alone or see the world's busiest airport like a ghost town. I definitely feel like we dodged a bullet and got really really lucky. We will be in that 14-day quarantine right there with you for Oxford. I'm already trying to figure out how we'll handle it, but like you I'm hoping Boris backs off or things have changed by September.
 
It would be an IG pop over. I can't find anything in Epcot that I want to pay for while dealing with YDS and his food issues on a hot day. We don't normally do many ADRs, but I thought it'd be a nice break in the afternoon. I'm not putting a lot into planning this trip, we're very much going to go with whatever happens and do our best.
You could check out the options at the Swolphin. They're all inside. I would give you a recommendation, but somehow we didn't eat there at all, when we stayed there a couple years ago. I probably got room service at least one day, because I love getting room service. It's further from the IG than Beaches and Cream though.
 
In case anyone is looking to book an annual passholder rate for Universal Orlando, rates were released today for the 3 deluxe hotels (the ones with included Express passes) through the first week of November or so. I booked my makeup birthday stay at Portofino Bay for August and got a little bit closer to earning my next bonus!

I am firmly in the pro-mask camp (it makes me sad that I even have to say that--I can't believe it's even an issue). I wore one on my trip to Hawaii in February and my trip to London in March, but admittedly those trips weren't as hard core as things have been recently. I mostly wore them on the plane. We wear surgical masks or bandanas when we go outside to exercise and N95s when we are going to be inside anywhere close to people (post office, grocery stores, etc.). They've been mandatory where I live for a while, and people here get that they are wearing a mask (surgical or handmade) to protect others from asymptotic spread so 99% of people I see are following the mandates.

But to your point, wearing an N95 for International travel in today's world is a different beast. I can attest to that, as DD20 and I just got back last night from a last minute trip to England. I can tell you that after wearing masks for almost 24 hours getting there, and 20 hours on the way back, we were ready to have a bonfire with those blasted things. We double masked--N95 under and surgical on top to keep it "fresh" but they were still icky. But as the alternative was much more unpleasant, we managed, and until there is a vaccine or therapeutic, we will do so again. A little discomfort is nothing compared to the alternative. When you hear someone cough or sniffle on a plane today, I can tell you, you jump and you are VERY happy that they are wearing a mask as are you.

Like you, we have had to cancel a bunch of Disney trips (and Hawaii) but still have International trips planned in September and December--both are to England. As DD is starting Oxford for her masters in the fall, the September trip is going to happen if the UK is open. As of right now, Oxford is "endeavoring" (its word, LOL), to start on time in early October. We will go even if we have to quarantine first for 14-days there. The December trip was to spend Christmas with her and that one is more up in the air. Much will depend on how open things are, whether there is a quarantine in place in the UK, and how many people are traveling. After our recent experience these are all big factors.

I'm still putting my thoughts together on our trip, but it was one that I will never forget. I really feel as if we got *extremely* lucky and slipped through a weird crack in time. We had very little contact with anyone the entire trip. I've had more uncomfortable experiences at the grocery store. But as lucky as we were with our timing, it was also eerie and disconcerting to be walking through an empty Heathrow or sitting on a tube car through central London by ourselves.

DD has been attending University in England for the past few years. She's graduating this year (England is only 3 years), so we had a big trip planned this summer for graduation. Due to Covid she was sent home in March. Unfortunately, she didn't pack up her apartment and we had to get her stuff out before her lease was up. When her university cancelled graduation and British Air cancelled our June flights, we were worried about what would happen if we couldn't get out there next month. Her stuff was all mixed up with her roommates who from Norway and even more locked down than we are, and the apartment had already been rented so we couldn't extend her rent. The company wasn't helpful with options. Anyway, as moving is considered essential, we knew we could get over there now. I'd been following a couple boards, and decided to make a run for it when I heard how light planes were to London. Literally, the day after I changed our BA tickets (a few days before we traveled), the UK announced they were going to be starting a 14-day quarantine at the end of the month or early June. Talk about great timing.

So we flew out last Monday and returned yesterday. As BA has cancelled all direct flights to LHR out of SFO, we had to fly out of LAX. BA has also cancelled the LHR to NCL route so we had to take a train to Durham. It was a logistical nightmare that I put together in three days, with the biggest issue being hotels and food. Literally nothing is open over there. There are only a few hotels open near Heathrow (thank you Hilton points!) and most restaurants are closed even for pick up. There are a handful of restaurants using delivery services (and pizza) so we knew we could eat, but it's very different than here. In general, I would say the UK is much more locked down than we are even in the Bay Area. Even Costa and Starbucks are all closed in England. The streets were very very quiet, even in central London. But they were just easing restrictions as we were leaving so that could change--when I say we slipped through a weird crack I mean it.

Here's a sampling:
--On our trip from LAX to LHR there were about 30 people total on our flight. My daughter and I shared an entire Club World (business) cabin with one other person. There were 27 people on our return flight and we shared the Club World cabin with three other people. Crazy!
--We were the only people on our Heathrow Express car; there was one other person on the entire train.
--On the train from London King's Cross to Durham we had two or three other people in our car; on the way back we were the ONLY people in the car the entire way. I felt like the queen, LOL.
--On our tube ride from London's King Cross to our Heathrow area hotel we had about 5 people in the entire carriage for the first half of the trip. No one got on our carriage through all the stops of central London (I literally saw 2-3 people on the Green park station waiting to get on); for the second half of the trip we had the entire tube car to ourselves. It was a Sunday evening, which I think was crucial timing, but it was crazy.
--There are no restaurants open at any rail station or airport in the UK. The only food/drink available is from Boots or a convenience type store. So yuck.
--British air is not serving alcohol (which was surprisingly sucky) and only had 2 snack services (the food was the same for everyone and was pretty bleak). There were also no lounges open anywhere. In other words, you had to bring your own food and the only reason to fly in business was the lie flat. I had the brilliant idea of buying cup noodle type ramen for our food on the way back and it worked out perfectly.

The one negative of BA is that although all the passengers were wearing masks, only a couple of the flight attendants were. ***? It's too dangerous to serve alcohol or food but not to spread germs on the passenger? Yuck. I really hope they change that. Still, we had little contact with them so I really feel as if the whole international travel part was safer than I've felt at times in the market at home. If we picked anything up, I'd be shocked if it was from any of the international part of the trip. We had almost no contact with anyone the entire time--and except for a handful of times people walked past us on the train or plane all of it was social distanced with us wearing masks. There were a lot more people wearing masks in the UK than in March, but it still isn't like the Bay Area. The difference is that people aren't really out in the UK at all. They are locking down way more than we are even in a place like the Bay Area.

The worst part of the entire trip by far was the Southwest trip from Oakland to LAX and back. Our plane down was probably a little over half full, and the a@#hat in front of me kept lowering his mask as soon as the flight attendant would walk away--in between big sniffs. Seriously? He was the only person in both directions that wasn't wearing his mask, and of course he had to sit right in front of us. On both flights there was enough space for everyone to have their own row and middle seats were empty, but it still felt too crowded. The flight back was a little lighter, but even with 2/3 of the plane empty and everyone masked it wasn't exactly comfortable. There was still someone behind me and in front of me within a couple feet. Southwest is blocking off the first three rows and last three rows to keep people away from flight attendants, which I guess I understand, but if the flight had been any more crowded it would have been an issue. There is no drink or food service of any kind. The flight attendants came by to collect trash one time, but that was it.

It was a Twilight Zone type of experience, but what I'd take from it: Flying domestically is not fun and you will not be feeling social distanced even with 1/3 to 1/2 full flights. Flying internationally was surprisingly nice except for the eerie ghost town part of it. But I expect that will all change as things start to loosen. When planes fill, it's going to be a different. I'm really glad we jumped and went when we did.

We are just glad to be home and counting the days until we can are free from worry of exposure. I wish testing were an option, but they haven't opened it up here to everyone.

Here are some pics to get an idea of how deserted it really was:

1: Southwest flight to LAX (and the a#$hat in front of me)
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2. A deserted LAX international terminal:
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3. Our Club World cabin almost to ourselves
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4: Heathrow on arrival. Our flight was the only one in the entire terminal. We were off the plane and through customs in less than 15 minutes.
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5. An empty King's Cross Rail station (this is the Harry Potter station and usually PACKED). This was lunchtime on Tuesday.
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6: Durham high street midday on a weekday.
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7. Our completely empty train carriage from Durham to London (3 hours by ourselves)
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8. King's Cross tube station on Sunday at about 4 pm.
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9. Our Piccadilly line tube carriage to ourselves
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10. A shuttered duty free terminal at Heathrow. The only thing open was boots and a bookstore/newstand:
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That is so spooky to see those usually crowded places so empty of people. Most peaceful Tube ride ever, I guess? I'm glad you were able to get over there to get DD's stuff and miss the mandatory quarantine. Hopefully things are better before you have to go back.

If anyone is looking for hand sanitizer, I bought a 12 pack of hand sanitizer spray from HelloBello. Not cheap but it's in stock and it doesn't smell gross. And it's 80% alcohol content.
Thanks for the tip, I will keep that in mind for the office (I am in charge of ordering shared supplies). I got a weird off-brand from the grocery store for a ridiculous price per ounce. I used it yesterday before using the scanner and I smelled like a moonshiner o_O.
 
Another hand sanitizer option - I bought some from Boxed. Big bottle for $7.99, shows as fully stocked on the website. Gel based, alcohol smell at first, but after that's gone has a pleasant citrus smell. Now I need to go buy some empty small bottles.

@CaliforniaGirl09 so interesting to read of your first hand experience and see the pictures. Thanks for sharing!
 
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