Immanuel Kant and wearing masks in public.

[DeniseJH]

Have you even taken a science class ? Science is not something to believe, such as a faith. It is a PROCESS, whereby questions are asked, hypotheses made, and experiments conducted, results evaluated, hypotheses reformed based on those results. I am so tired of uneducated people just thinking using the word SCIENCE! makes them appear smart. It does the opposite to anyone with any intelligence. I don't blame you, I blame the idiot box (television).

So paying attention to what the CDC, Mayo Clinic, and The Cleveland Clinic recommend is not basing my opinion on science? Or are you simply arguing semantics - 'cause a lot of other people understood my meaning. If it will make you feel better I will put the word "the" before the word "science". Disboards never fails to disappoint.

 

[skyblue17]

I voted for all. Since no one knows if anyone has it or not, that makes the most sense to protect everyone. If a person can't wear a mask, they probably shouldn't be in a room with 99 other people right now.

 

[Weedy]

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[DeniseJH]

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[ShirikiUtundu]

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Linking editorials now? Aren't there enough opinions here for you?

 

[DopeyDame]

I'm really struggling to understand the mask issue.
The government and private businesses both mandate that I wear a shirt to go into a business or walk around in public. I'm not nursing, so there's no droplets or air or liquid coming out of anywhere in my shirt region.
There's really no medical reason at all for me to wear a shirt. I suppose there are the occasional shirt-protests, but generally people don't seem too upset about mandatory shirt wearing, even when it means they are hotter than they would otherwise be, or they end up with a splotchy tan, or whatever.

So I understand that for some people masks are uncomfortable or make breathing prohibitively difficult. But that's not the majority of the people, or - from what I've heard - the main argument of the anti-mask-you-can't-tell-me-what-to-do people. So what gives? Why are people so up in arms (literally!) about wearing masks? Or, I guess, why *just* masks and not also shirts and pants and shoes?

 

[sam_gordon]

I'm really struggling to understand the mask issue.
The government and private businesses both mandate that I wear a shirt to go into a business or walk around in public. I'm not nursing, so there's no droplets or air or liquid coming out of anywhere in my shirt region.
There's really no medical reason at all for me to wear a shirt. I suppose there are the occasional shirt-protests, but generally people don't seem too upset about mandatory shirt wearing, even when it means they are hotter than they would otherwise be, or they end up with a splotchy tan, or whatever.

So I understand that for some people masks are uncomfortable or make breathing prohibitively difficult. But that's not the majority of the people, or - from what I've heard - the main argument of the anti-mask-you-can't-tell-me-what-to-do people. So what gives? Why are people so up in arms (literally!) about wearing masks? Or, I guess, why *just* masks and not also shirts and pants and shoes?

I agree. I wish someone would ask an "anti-masker" why they're ok with stores requiring the wearing of shirt and shoes (but not pants), but if they require the use of a mask "it's against my freedom!".

I will wear a mask where it's required. If it's not required, I don't wear one.

 

[Kestryl]

I'm really struggling to understand the mask issue.
The government and private businesses both mandate that I wear a shirt to go into a business or walk around in public. I'm not nursing, so there's no droplets or air or liquid coming out of anywhere in my shirt region.
There's really no medical reason at all for me to wear a shirt. I suppose there are the occasional shirt-protests, but generally people don't seem too upset about mandatory shirt wearing, even when it means they are hotter than they would otherwise be, or they end up with a splotchy tan, or whatever.

So I understand that for some people masks are uncomfortable or make breathing prohibitively difficult. But that's not the majority of the people, or - from what I've heard - the main argument of the anti-mask-you-can't-tell-me-what-to-do people. So what gives? Why are people so up in arms (literally!) about wearing masks? Or, I guess, why *just* masks and not also shirts and pants and shoes?

I think when some people hear the argument that masks are pretty much the same things as shirts, and thus should be required too, they fear that masks will become a permanent necessity. And there are a lot of very good, valid reasons why masks should NOT become a permanent requirement, ranging from breathing troubles to anxiety issues to safety concerns to communication barriers. Wearing a mask is a privilege that not everyone has access to. (And, indeed, others wearing masks can affect someone negatively.)

I know that I personally do not want to wear a mask. (I hesitate to say “can’t,” as I can handle short bursts, though it is extremely unpleasant, and I’ve “grayed out”/gotten dizzy a few times with prolonged wear or walking up flights of stairs.) I will wear one temporarily right now to do what I need to do, but it is certainly impacting my life in a negative way. The more a mask is equated to a shirt, the more it’s totally normalized and will be expected a year or more from now.

For the record, I think everyone who wants to wear a mask permanently should be able to, whether it’s for medical or style or religious reasons. But there are people out there who think everyone should wear a mask forever, and that’s not something I can agree with.

 

[skyblue17]

I don't want to wear a mask forever, and I don't think everyone should. But at the same time, if it's required to enter a business, it's a simple fact that it's no different than a shirt or shoes. I don't NEED to wear shoes into a store. It's preferred by businesses because it's gross if I don't, my feet might be unclean and track in all sorts of germs. It's less of a health risk than not wearing a mask when there's a highly contagious virus that spreads primarily due to exposure from the mouth and nose, though. So for as long as that highly contagious virus is so highly contagious, yeah, it kind of IS on other people to wear masks.

I would venture to guess most people do not enjoy wearing masks. They aren't fun or comfortable for anyone. If I had no shoes, businesses would have no problem saying "you have no shoes, we can't let you in," it's odd to me that people see this as being LESS of an issue with something that makes a much bigger difference to society.

 

[oceanview2020]

So many of you keep asking the question as though you expect people to walk in a business, where it is required, without one? Is that happening where you're from?

Most anyone that I know or have heard of here that says they won’t wear a mask, simply don’t go where it’s required. They may say something about their rights on Facebook but they aren’t out starting a revolution. They just aren’t going where they are required.

 

[skyblue17]

So many of you keep asking the question as though you expect people to walk in a business, where it is required, without one? Is that happening where you're from?

Most anyone that I know or have heard of here that says they won’t wear a mask, simply don’t go where it’s required. They may say something about their rights on Facebook but they aren’t out starting a revolution. They just aren’t going where they are required.

It is required in all businesses here, and yes, people do go in without them. It puts the business and the other customers into an awkward situation, as not all small businesses have the man power to be policing who is wearing them, and not everyone will want to escalate if someone is not wearing one, nor should they have to.

There was a recently viral video from a grocery store on Staten Island where a woman not wearing a mask was screamed at by about 10 other shoppers until she left her full cart. I think we'll be seeing more of that around here if people refuse to comply.

 

[DopeyDame]

I think when some people hear the argument that masks are pretty much the same things as shirts, and thus should be required too, they fear that masks will become a permanent necessity. And there are a lot of very good, valid reasons why masks should NOT become a permanent requirement, ranging from breathing troubles to anxiety issues to safety concerns to communication barriers. Wearing a mask is a privilege that not everyone has access to. (And, indeed, others wearing masks can affect someone negatively.)

I know that I personally do not want to wear a mask. (I hesitate to say “can’t,” as I can handle short bursts, though it is extremely unpleasant, and I’ve “grayed out”/gotten dizzy a few times with prolonged wear or walking up flights of stairs.) I will wear one temporarily right now to do what I need to do, but it is certainly impacting my life in a negative way. The more a mask is equated to a shirt, the more it’s totally normalized and will be expected a year or more from now.

For the record, I think everyone who wants to wear a mask permanently should be able to, whether it’s for medical or style or religious reasons. But there are people out there who think everyone should wear a mask forever, and that’s not something I can agree with.

Thanks so much for answering sincerely!

I guess i haven't heard anyone discussing making mask wearing mandatory forever - that would certainly not be something I agree with either. (And for the record, I'd be OK if shirts weren't mandatory either, although I'm a pretty prudish person so you'll never catch me at a nude beach )

 

[oceanview2020]

It is required in all businesses here, and yes, people do go in without them. It puts the business and the other customers into an awkward situation, as not all small businesses have the man power to be policing who is wearing them, and not everyone will want to escalate if someone is not wearing one, nor should they have to.

There was a recently viral video from a grocery store on Staten Island where a woman not wearing a mask was screamed at by about 10 other shoppers until she left her full cart. I think we'll be seeing more of that around here if people refuse to comply.

And did they know if the woman perhaps had a medical reason for not wearing one? The customers have no business policing that. It is up to the businesses.

 

[skyblue17]

And did they know if the woman perhaps had a medical reason for not wearing one? The customers have no business policing that. It is up to the businesses.

I don't know. If the policy of the store is that a mask is mandatory, and someone is not wearing a mask, aren't they the person disregarding policy? I'm not sure that the people who ARE following the policy are in the wrong. Given her reaction in the video, I think she simply opted not to wear one.

I can see the "I can't medically wear a mask" going the way of service animals very quickly. I feel badly for those that are genuinely stuck between a rock and a hard place with this, but there are definitely people going this route to prove they can't be FORCED to wear a mask. Meanwhile, if I showed up at a store and said "I have shingles, wearing a shirt is extremely painful for me right now," they probably still wouldn't let me in.

 

[oceanview2020]

I don't know. If the policy of the store is that a mask is mandatory, and someone is not wearing a mask, aren't they the person disregarding policy? I'm not sure that the people who ARE following the policy are in the wrong. Given her reaction in the video, I think she simply opted not to wear one.

I can see the "I can't medically wear a mask" going the way of service animals very quickly. I feel badly for those that are genuinely stuck between a rock and a hard place with this, but there are definitely people going this route to prove they can't be FORCED to wear a mask. Meanwhile, if I showed up at a store and said "I have shingles, wearing a shirt is extremely painful for me right now," they probably still wouldn't let me in.

So wearing a shirt that is painful equals not being able to breathe?

Yes, they were wrong. Simply because they are following “the rule” does not make it ok for them to act that way toward someone. Unless they had exact knowledge of the situation, it was none of their business. It was between her and the store. It is up to the store to make sure their policies are followed.

She was disregarding the policy and she was wrong for that if it was simply lack of want to. Her being wrong doesn’t make them right.

 

[skyblue17]

So wearing a shirt that is painful equals not being able to breathe?

Yes, they were wrong. Simply because they are following “the rule” does not make it ok for them to act that way toward someone. Unless they had exact knowledge of the situation, it was none of their business. It was between her and the store. It is up to the store to make sure their policies are followed.

She was disregarding the policy and she was wrong for that if it was simply lack of want to. Her being wrong doesn’t make them right.

The amount of discomfort caused is not really the point, is it? NO ONE's health is risked if someone walks into a business with no shirt, but it's never considered an issue to refuse entry to someone without one. When the health of others IS risked because someone cannot follow policy, it should be enforced. If someone genuinely cannot wear a mask, they should be calling ahead and asking for what options they have to get what they need, not defensively screaming or self-righteously pontificating that the business has no right to not allow them in. That immediately makes me think that person is testing limits, and not actually in a situation where wearing a mask for ten minutes is going to risk their health.

As for how the crowd acted, it's Staten Island. It's an area full of first responders and frontline workers. And New Yorkers stand up for themselves.

 

[oceanview2020]

The amount of discomfort caused is not really the point, is it? NO ONE's health is risked if someone walks into a business with no shirt, but it's never considered an issue to refuse entry to someone without one. When the health of others IS risked because someone cannot follow policy, it should be enforced. If someone genuinely cannot wear a mask, they should be calling ahead and asking for what options they have to get what they need, not defensively screaming or self-righteously pontificating that the business has no right to not allow them in. That immediately makes me think that person is testing limits, and not actually in a situation where wearing a mask for ten minutes is going to risk their health.

As for how the crowd acted, it's Staten Island. It's an area full of first responders and frontline workers. And New Yorkers stand up for themselves.

So do southerners but we don’t treat other people like that. A crowd ganging up on someone is cowardice not standing up for yourself.

If the business had put her out or not allowed her in, they would have been in the right and there would be no discussion. I dont care what their job is, unless it’s store manager, they had no business acting that way.

I don’t have a medical reason per say but I do feel as if I can’t breathe and have felt faint with one on. I don’t go in a store where it’s required. I do pick up for groceries and online orders for other things. So far, so good. So I am not saying the woman shouldn’t have either put on a mask or at least tried to do something different but again, her being wrong doesn’t make them right.

 

[skyblue17]

So do southerners but we don’t treat other people like that. A crowd ganging up on someone is cowardice not standing up for yourself.

If the business had put her out or not allowed her in, they would have been in the right and there would be no discussion. I dont care what their job is, unless it’s store manager, they had no business acting that way.

I don’t have a medical reason per say but I do feel as if I can’t breathe and have felt faint with one on. I don’t go in a store where it’s required. I do pick up for groceries and online orders for other things. So far, so good. So I am not saying the woman shouldn’t have either put on a mask or at least tried to do something different but again, her being wrong doesn’t make them right.

So when she got in line behind them, without a mask on, they should just stand there and let her breath near them, even though everyone else is wearing a mask? Do you think politely saying "hey, where's your mask, do you mind putting it on?" would have gotten anywhere with someone blatantly disregarding the rules to begin with?

Clearly, you see this differently because you live somewhere where masks aren't all required. NO ONE wants to have to wear a mask every time they go outside. We are doing it because that is what is being asked of us, for the better of our community. It IS frustrating when people decide that rule does not apply to them.

 

[sam_gordon]

So when she got in line behind them, without a mask on, they should just stand there and let her breath near them, even though everyone else is wearing a mask? Do you think politely saying "hey, where's your mask, do you mind putting it on?" would have gotten anywhere with someone blatantly disregarding the rules to begin with?

I think it would be better to ask "hey, do you mind backing up? You know, the whole "social distance" thing?". If they won't, then I'd simply keep my back to them. I'd rather they breathe on my back then my face. And no, I'm not worrying about someone breathing on my back.

 

[skyblue17]

I think it would be better to ask "hey, do you mind backing up? You know, the whole "social distance" thing?". If they won't, then I'd simply keep my back to them. I'd rather they breathe on my back then my face. And no, I'm not worrying about someone breathing on my back.

I figured you're not, since you also don't wear masks unless someone directly says "consider the others around you."