Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[skeeter31]

They will hand out the clear, bubble umbrellas for fireworks...

Actually...

Too expensive, ponchos will be fine lol!

 

[mattpeto]

But the vaccine is only approved for emergency use, not full FDA requirement. Disney isn’t going to wade into that minefield to start requiring it.

It’s been discussed to death here, and I know @rteetz frowns when we talk about this.

Eventually it will get FDA approval, but there are logistics to deal with after that. If the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission (all hoping it does), then I’d think a immune cert of some kind could be in play. Far away and like @SaintsManiac allluded to, it will be tricky to make it a requirement but not impossible.

 

[SaintsManiac]

It’s been discussed to death here, and I know @rteetz frowns when we talk about this.

Eventually it will get FDA approval, but there are logistics to deal with after that. If the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission (all hoping it does), then I’d think a immune cert of some kind could be in play. Far away and like @SaintsManiac allluded to, it will be tricky to make it a requirement but not impossible.

I could see it WAYYY down the road, but not even next year. Too much unknown right now.

 

[yulilin3]

Vaccination programs have started in all central Florida counties for people over 65. Not one peep about it on the HUB.

 

[Jonfw2]

To be clear: I'm only referring to vaccine requirements for specific perks, such as VIP or dining encounters. I can't see this being hard to enforce.

 

[mshanson3121]

There’s a lot more to it than scanning something.

Not as much as you think there is though. I know we would all like to think that it would be way too complicated and difficult for WDW to implement, but the reality is, it's not. If it was, countries and multiple businesses and venues from all over the world wouldn't be considering it right this very minute.

But definitely count me in as one of the ones who really hopes they don't. And I would think they'll wait until they see the efficacy of the vaccine, first.

 

[yulilin3]

To be clear: I'm only referring to vaccine requirements for specific perks, such as VIP or dining encounters. I can't see this being hard to enforce.

Again I say this would be pointless if the cm are also not required vaccinate. I don't see it happening. Just my opinion

 

[Jroceagles]

This is terrible.

https://blogmickey.com/2020/12/disn...-flight-of-passage-at-disneys-animal-kingdom/

not that terrible. like everything else it is a personal decision to ride or not. With masks on and facing forward it is not that troubling IMO of course.

 

[Jonfw2]

I could see some cast members having a vaccine requirement.

 

[Marthasor]

To be clear: I'm only referring to vaccine requirements for specific perks, such as VIP or dining encounters. I can't see this being hard to enforce.

They are conducting VIP tours now without vaccinations, I don’t think that would change.

 

[jerry557]

If the vaccine is 95% effective (which is what the drug companies claim), what's the threat being made by those who refuse the vaccination? If Disney requires all CMs to vaccinate, they'll be protected. Any guests fearful of the virus can get vaccinated and be protected. If you refuse the vaccine and catch COVID, that's on you, right? That's not Disney's fault.

So why would Disney go through the enormous hassle of trying to require it for all guests?

 

[mshanson3121]

If the vaccine is 95% effective (which is what the drug companies claim), what's the threat being made by those who refuse the vaccination? If Disney requires all CMs to vaccinate, they'll be protected. Any guests fearful of the virus can get vaccinated and be protected. If you refuse the vaccine and catch COVID, that's on you, right? That's not Disney's fault.

So why would Disney go through the enormous hassle of trying to require it for all guests?

Because:

1. Children can't be vaccinated yet and won't be able to for quite awhile yet.
2. Because there will still be a portion of the adult population who can't be vaccinated.
3. They don't know if the vaccine will actually be 95% effective in real world settings, since the testing was extremely limited.
4. They also suspect that the mRNA vaccine at least, only protects you from becoming symptomatic, but not from transmitting to others.

Granted all of those ARE arguments against doing a vaccine proof campaign, too, because what does proof of vaccination really mean, if we don't know how effective it is?

 

[HikingFam]

My prediction is that, if Disney ever reaches the point of requiring proof of vaccine, it would already be the norm for all kinds of travel, school, etc. It wouldn’t be abnormal to whip out your vaccine passport or whatever they end up calling it. Obviously that’s a long way off at the rate we’re going.

 

[AvidDisReader]

Because:

1. Children can't be vaccinated yet and won't be able to for quite awhile yet.
2. Because there will still be a portion of the adult population who can't be vaccinated.
3. They don't know if the vaccine will actually be 95% effective in real world settings, since the testing was extremely limited.
4. They also suspect that the mRNA vaccine at least, only protects you from becoming symptomatic, but not from transmitting to others.

Granted all of those ARE arguments against doing a vaccine proof campaign, too, because what does proof of vaccination really mean, if we don't know how effective it is?

Lets go a couple steps further. Since there has only been limited testing, at this point the vaccine is only verified to work for 3 months (the length of time the first test were started), no guarantees beyond that time period. Second, there is already reports out of UK of a new strand of the virus, so the vaccine may not be effective for this strand.
The bottom line is like I have been saying for months, we do not know until we know. All this comments on plexiglas??? Is anyone on this thread a Scientist that is qualified to discuss if it is effective or not. As has been repeated, if you feel uncomfortable with all that is happening, DO NOT GO to WDW. And the rest of us, we will just have to grin and bear Disney's requirements.

 

[skeeter31]

Lets go a couple steps further. Since there has only been limited testing, at this point the vaccine is only verified to work for 3 months (the length of time the first test were started), no guarantees beyond that time period. Second, there is already reports out of UK of a new strand of the virus, so the vaccine may not be effective for this strand.
The bottom line is like I have been saying for months, we do not know until we know. All this comments on plexiglas??? Is anyone on this thread a Scientist that is qualified to discuss if it is effective or not. As has been repeated, if you feel uncomfortable with all that is happening, DO NOT GO to WDW. And the rest of us, we will just have to grin and bear Disney's requirements.

Thank you once again for pointing out that someone not comfortable shouldn’t go. That hasn’t been stated on this thread 400 times since March. Such a new and insightful solution.

 

[mshanson3121]

Lets go a couple steps further. Since there has only been limited testing, at this point the vaccine is only verified to work for 3 months (the length of time the first test were started), no guarantees beyond that time period. Second, there is already reports out of UK of a new strand of the virus, so the vaccine may not be effective for this strand.
The bottom line is like I have been saying for months, we do not know until we know. All this comments on plexiglas??? Is anyone on this thread a Scientist that is qualified to discuss if it is effective or not. As has been repeated, if you feel uncomfortable with all that is happening, DO NOT GO to WDW. And the rest of us, we will just have to grin and bear Disney's requirements.

Now if only the 10,392 people asking daily (on FB), "I am nervous, should I go still go to Disney?" would listen to this

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Well at least people will start to hear about it and decide if they want to ride or not. I'm curious as to their motivations of adding barriers to some rides and not others. Also, were riders actually 6 feet apart when skipping one vehicle?

Is there no room for plexiglass? It's probably coming.

Obviouosly I have never measured it but having ridden it a number of times and knowing I could reach out and touch the arm of my kid sitting next to me so that is what, 2-3 feet? So I think if there was a gab of one seat open that is probably about 6' or so then separating people

 

[TheMaxRebo]

To be clear: I'm only referring to vaccine requirements for specific perks, such as VIP or dining encounters. I can't see this being hard to enforce.

Again I say this would be pointless if the cm are also not required vaccinate. I don't see it happening. Just my opinion

I really don't see them requiring vaccines of all guests or of all CMs

One thing I was wondering was about shows though - my understanding is Disney doesn't want performers to wear masks, and just wondering if having those performers being vaccinated could help ease concerns about reblocking or whatever and would enable more shows to come back

 

[Farro]

Obviouosly I have never measured it but having ridden it a number of times and knowing I could reach out and touch the arm of my kid sitting next to me so that is what, 2-3 feet? So I think if there was a gab of one seat open that is probably about 6' or so then separating people

It just makes zero sense on why would they add barriers to Frozen, but not FoP?

Even if they are going to add them at some point, what about these days where there are no barriers and people are sitting right next to each other? Well, we will add them later, so it's a wash? Forget about the few days when we had nothing in place!

 

[TheMaxRebo]

It just makes zero sense on why would they add barriers to Frozen, but not FoP?

Even if they are going to add them at some point, what about these days where there are no barriers and people are sitting right next to each other? Well, we will add them later, so it's a wash? Forget about the few days when we had nothing in place!

yeah, to be honest this is the change that I am most surprised by. Even when they started loading omnimover every vehicle to me that wasn't a huge deal as there is a decent gap and some other protection around you

But this, there is nothing between you and the person next to you - like I said, I could reach out and tough the other person no problem

and this also seems like another case of how much capacity is really being added by this? The rooms are already split into groups of 8 vehicles, so assuming an average group is 3-4 people you likely only had one empty one per room, maybe 2 or 3 occasionally if individual riders, so what are they gaining? 10-15% capacity? Is that worth the risk (real or of bad PR)?