Evening Magic Hours for Deluxe Guests Only

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January 6-15. I need 3 real beds. Can't do pull out couches. Murphy beds are fine. Was looking at a 2 bedroom but those are gone from what I've seen. Right now I have 2 rooms booked at CSR.

I'm basing availability on what I'm seeing on a rental site. Everything says partial. It's during the marathon so I know it's probably hopeless

Have you checked here? DVC Availability Tool

This is what I'm seeing for a Saratoga Springs 2 bedroom standard for your trip dates (green is available):


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2 bedroom preferred is only booked on the night of the 6th.

So it looks like the first night or two is your problem. Maybe you could keep a different reservation for that/those nights, but rent SSR for the rest of your trip?
 
this. we drive to disney.

Im looking at 2022 options. To fly out west and do national parks and other things, its starting to look cheaper for us. That was not the case for us in the recent past.

We did a really neat vacation a few years ago. Flew into Vegas. Stayed at the Golden Nugget and enjoyed their pool that has a slide that goes through a shark tank. Drove to Grand Canyon. Then drove around AZ doing one day visits at various places, mostly national parks. We visited three ancient Indian dwellings of different types, the meteor crater, lake Powell, did a float tour down the river, slot canyons (these are a must), visited a recreated gold mine and old mining town. We also did another boat tour and saw some nifty animals. Boat was the Dolly? Something like that. The family loved it. I'm a sunphobic redhead and while I had fun, I didn't want to go outside for a month after.
ETA: We flew home from Phoenix
 
all of this is interesting..... my 2 cents? I've wondered for many years now what would make staying "deluxe" (disney's version at least lol) worth the ridiculous cost? I've stayed at every level onsite over the years...and could never figure this out.(incl. DVC) Maybe this is "it" for those willing to pay. (That won't be me but whatevs)
 
Maybe. The week we are going next year (around easter) all of the standard rooms, aside from AKL, in the deluxe resorts are already booked. I don’t know how it works though. They say that there are no rooms available for the dates at the Polynesian. Do they have like a cap or is legitimately every room filled?
The time around Easter is always super busy bc pretty much every school has time off around then. And I think with the “revenge” travel and the 50th this is probably not representative of most years. Not all resorts are open yet either. But I’d guess that yeah, most available rooms are booked.
 
FWIW, 6 months out is "late" in terms of booking DVC. If you want the so-called premium resorts, you need to book at least 7-11 months ahead. If you're traveling at a popular time, even the larger resorts (OKW, SSR, AKV) will have limited availability at <7 months out. This is especially true this year as DVC owners scramble to use up points that will expire soon.
Oh, I know. It's just that everyone keeps saying "anyone can rent points and stay deluxe for the same price if they want to" but it's just not that simple. When we booked there was no benefit to staying at SSR, although I considered it for the extra space. But for the way we like to vacation, we prefer all the onsite dining and lounge options at CSR, so it won out in the end. I was super excited when AKL started booking because in the past I've done AKL for slightly more that CSR but that just isn't happening this year.

Now that they've announced a new perk (which I don't really care about, Im just worried about what this means for FP+ for our trip) I can't easily change things around because it's *only* 6 months out. And the price would be comparable to the CSR rack rate, but I'm still ***hoping*** that there will at least be a room discount. We're doing USO for 3 days before Disney and we've got 6 adults. My budget is about tapped out at this point.
 
So it looks like the first night or two is your problem. Maybe you could keep a different reservation for that/those nights, but rent SSR for the rest of your trip?
Unfortunately my DH doesn't want to deal with a split stay. we already have to change resorts between USO and Disney and I think he'd kill me if I asked him to pack up/unpack again mid-stay
 
I was one as a kid. When my family first started going Values and Mods didn’t exist. We stayed on I Drive. After that my army vet mom was an RN working 2 jobs as a single parent and we stayed at the Dolphin through Costco and nurse/govt discounts. We didn’t go every year either, mom scrimped and saved. And that still made me more fortunate than my partner, who went all of twice as a kid, once through Make a Wish because she’s disabled, and the one trip she went on that her family paid for they stayed at then brand new CBR. I work with a ton of people who have never been at all because their folks couldn’t afford it, or only stay offsite.

I’m a literal card carrying union member and a civil servant, my benefits & pension make me middle class not my salary in one of the most expensive cities in the US. And real talk, if we’re bringing Issues into this discussion, one of the reasons I continue going to Disney and staying onsite in Deluxes is because it’s a known quantity and I feel safe there. My vacation dollars definitely stretch more elsewhere, though honestly not much more. But elsewhere I don’t have to play Russian roulette with staff who see an obvious same sex couple and refuse to give us the king room we booked (happened to me once in a major “hip” city), or follow me in a shop because they see my complexion and think I’m going to steal (multiple times in Italy).


Every time discussions around upcharge events, extras, etc. there’s always someone aghast about who could possibly afford all of this, and every time it needs to be said that it’s not just a matter of income level but party makeup. There is absolutely no way we could afford to travel like we do if we had kids. Dessert parties, After Hours, etc. are a lot easier to swallow with only 2 working adults at most to pay for. Resorts are no different from that tbh. We don’t have those extra considerations so our discretionary income goes to Disney and our other hobbies. And I totally understand people who could stay Deluxe and choose not to because they just don’t see the value in it. We do, so that’s where we stay. It just gets a little old hearing that we’re singlehandedly ruining Disney for everyone because we want to sit on a balcony and look at the monorail go by or be able to walk to a park.

Kylene, I know what you mean about feeling "safe" at disney, for other reasons. :)
You don't have to explain anything at all to anyone as to why you stay at Deluxe resorts. I'm glad you can do that and share it with your loved one.
We are "older" and can stay at Deluxe if we want, but we feel more comfortable at moderates. It's a personal choice.
When we were younger with kids, we could only afford offsite and day tickets at disney. It's just the way it was. If there were extra magic hours it was for everyone and that's what some people are upset about.
Just ignore the "stuff" on here by upset people and enjoy you visits:)
BTW, I am a retired RN and I Know how hard your mother worked:)
I am a white woman and have never had to face the kind of prejudice that you explained. But I have a native american grandson who has experienced those hateful comments and situations, and I just want to scream at those ignorant people. So, I do have some idea about that.
Have a great time at Disney on your next trip.
 
Unfortunately my DH doesn't want to deal with a split stay. we already have to change resorts between USO and Disney and I think he'd kill me if I asked him to pack up/unpack again mid-stay

I see. Well, maybe try keeping an eye on the availability then? It looks like both standard and preferred are booked now for the 6th and the 7th. There could still be a cancellation somewhere down the line.

Good luck!
 
We are DVC owners and have never rented points so I don’t know a ton about the process. I’d be cautious with direct rentals - granted most people are honest and things go fine. Right now though over on the DVC forums someone is posting about how they got scammed by doing a direct rental.
Thank you for bringing that up. Yes, I have heard horror stories like that too. It's a real shame and hopefully it's rare. I would definitely want to talk with other people they have rented to and not be their first, if I was to go directly through an owner.
 
I am not persuaded this version of EMH is permanent. In a time of recovery and when staff might not be fully optimized, it’s certain to be more cost-saving to provide an evening benefit to a group of guest who many have the ability to just walk back to their resort, and to provide a small bump in the A.M. to all. Seems more probable EMH are making a slow re-entry than a slow exit.
 
This 30 minute per day "benefit" that they are trying to sell as better than the EMH ( true benefit for all resort guests ) of 1 hour early morning entry and/or 2 hour evening after regular park hours is just ridiculous . Do they think we're stupid ? They tried eliminating EMH back in 2002 and tried offering a Character Caravan in its place and that blew up in their faces . Hopefully they realize that this is just a stupid idea and restore EMH in the not too distant future .
 
And as far as extra evening hour for Deluxe and Villa resort guests...another bad idea . The people who want to pay to stay in this level of accomodations should not be entitled to better park benefits than any other Disney resort guests . If you decide to stay at one of these resorts it is so you have a better room , pool , restaurant choices , transportaion options , location , and other amenities not found at Moderate or Value resorts . That is why you are paying more to stay there . That level of comfort , choice , and service . Just my opinion ,but I think it's fair .
 
One more thing...when they first started doing After Hours and Early Morning Magic I warned people that if this was at all successful it was going to be the end of EMH and I was mocked by many on here because "they're very different " and "could co-exist" . I argued that Disney would not continue to give something away for free when they could make big $ charging for it . And that this limited attendance event would slowly change and become more like the holiday parties had become with the unlimited free snacks and drinks would also eventually disappear ...and thus become just like EMH was ...except now you're paying for it !
 
While I understand this change makes some people upset, I don't understand all the "everyone used to get this" or "they are now tiering the guests" posts. Disney has run their business like this for years! If you are surprised they did this, you haven't been paying attention.

I'm sorry, but if someone is willing to spend $600+ per night on a 350 sq foot studio, Disney knows they will likely spend quite a bit more $ on other stuff while on property. It's in Disney's best interest to try to trap them "on-site". For the most part, there is nothing "Deluxe" about these hotels besides the prices. I know people like to bring up, location, pools, transportation, restaurants (this one is strange since anyone can eat at any restaurant). But those things are literally the bare minimum a "Deluxe" hotel should have.

While Disney likes to pretend nobody else is in their league, internally they know Universal is pulling market share (even if it's just a little bit each year, it adds up) and more and more people are comfortable with staying in off-site hotels or VRBO.

Also, DME used to be their best way to trap people on-site. Harder to spend your money elsewhere if you didn't have a car. Now that DME is going away, they need more hooks. And yes, I'm fully aware this is Disney creating the problem and the paid solution again.

Unfortunately, for those upset by this news, I don't think it's the end of the changes.
 
Walt Disney envisioned Disneyland as a place for everyone to enjoy. Walt frequently spoke about providing his customers with "value", and DL was intended to be affordable (even if it was not cheap).

Still, Walt needed sponsors for the pavilions he was creating for the 1964 World's Fair, so he added a sponsor's lounge. The first hint of exclusiveness traces its origins to this 1964 World's Fair lounge.

Seeing the success of the World's Fair lounge, Walt wanted corporate sponsors for Disneyland to build more attractions. (Many of Walt's designs were expensive and reportedly Walt loved the idea of getting other corporations to pay for them.) Although Club 33 did not open until May 1967 (5 months after Walt's death), Walt envisioned Club 33 as a way to attract Disneyland corporate sponsors.

Club 33 aside, Disneyland and Walt Disney World remained firmly targeted for America's working and middle class for decades. For example, when WDW opened in 1971, theme park admission was $3.50 ($24 in today's dollars), while an "Adventure Book" ranged from $4.50 to $5.75 ($30 to $40). (Admission and attractions were combined into a single ticket in 1982.) Together, admission and attractions cost today's equivalent of about $64. I doubt few would consider a $64 ticket to be cheap, but a ticket in 1971 (relative to household income) was a lot less than what it is today.

Hotel prices were similar. A room at the Contemporary or the Polynesian (WDW's first two hotels) started at $29 per night, about $193 today. Again, WDW never was cheap, but it used to be more affordable.

IMO, WDW's value peaked in 1982-1984. The MK was complete, Epcot was new, and a 4-day hopper ticket (they were not called hoppers back then) cost $45 (tax included). That's about $120 in today's dollars for a 4-day hopper ticket. That's less than a one-day no-hopper ticket today. Before the days of computers, hotel rates were simple, with typically one rate year-round. In 1982, you could get a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing at the Contemporary for $75 per night, about $209 per night in today's dollars.

Just imagine paying $120 for a 4-day ticket and $209 per night to stay at the Polynesian!

Beginning in 1984, things changed. Walt Disney Productions was the target of a hostile takeover and paid a great deal to buy back its own stock. The Board Of Directors recognized that the company was vulnerable and that a change in leadership was needed. For the first time, they brought in an outsider as CEO: Michael Eisner.

It was Michael Eisner who first started pushing prices and stratifying Guests when he took over in 1984. (Keep in mind that Club 33 originally was intended for corporate sponsors, not Guests.) 1984 to 1988 saw record (for Disney) price increases. These increases not only affected ticket prices, but hotel prices as well. Hotels such as the Contemporary, Poly, and Grand Floridan (opened in 1988) were no longer modestly priced. For example, a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing at the Contemporary was up to $160 per night ($364 per night adjusted for inflation) during "Value Season" (most of the year) and $175 per night ($398) during "Peak Season" (Spring Break and Christmas). Again, only 6 years before, it was an inflation adjusted $209 per night year-round.

To resolve the increasing gap between onsite and offsite hotels, Disney opened the Caribbean Beach Resort in 1988. Effectively, CBR was Disney's first "Value Resort". CBR opening year-round rates ranged from $65 per night ($148 in 2021 dollars) for a parking lot view to $85 per night ($193) for a pool or lake view.

However, after just a few more years of price increases under Eisner, CBR was no longer a value resort and the gap between onsite and offsite hotels had grown once again. The All Star Sports and All Star Music were opened in 1994 to close this gap. All Star rack rates ranged from $69 per night ($122 in 2021 dollars) to $79 per night ($140). For reference, 1994 rates at CBR were $89 ($162) to $121 ($220) per night, while the Poly ranged from $210 ($382) to $325 ($590) per night.

Since 1994, it's been a fairly steady stream of price hikes that generally have been about twice the rate of inflation, and about twice the annual increase of median household income. Still, Disney started offering hotel discounts (I think in the 1990s), which offset much of the rack rate price increases. For example, All Star Music was as low as $59 per night ($88) in 2002.

Hope this background helps! :)
Thanks! I know it doesn't exist but it would've been fascinating to read message boards when the first value was introduced, etc.
 
I would consider this if it were 3 hours like EMH used to be. But with us needing two rooms, one extra hour a day just isn't worth the extra expense.
 
I would consider this if it were 3 hours like EMH used to be. But with us needing two rooms, one extra hour a day just isn't worth the extra expense.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't think they said how much extra time they would add in the evenings. It's 30 minutes in the morning, for sure. But that's for almost everyone in hotels within 100 miles of WDW! (well almost)
 
I would consider this if it were 3 hours like EMH used to be. But with us needing two rooms, one extra hour a day just isn't worth the extra expense.
Also, check out renting DVC points. You might be able to get a 2 bedroom villa in the same price range as 2 moderate rooms.
 
Maybe I missed it, but I don't think they said how much extra time they would add in the evenings. It's 30 minutes in the morning, for sure. But that's for almost everyone in hotels within 100 miles of WDW! (well almost)

Someone else said an hour, so I was going by that. I haven't had time yet to read everything on it, but it would be nice if it were 2-3 hours.

Also, check out renting DVC points. You might be able to get a 2 bedroom villa in the same price range as 2 moderate rooms.

They seem to be around $1,000/night every time I check. You can usually get a mod for $250 a night with a discount (at least pre-pandemic. Only stayed once so far since then and that was at POP).
 
One more thing...when they first started doing After Hours and Early Morning Magic I warned people that if this was at all successful it was going to be the end of EMH and I was mocked by many on here because "they're very different " and "could co-exist" . I argued that Disney would not continue to give something away for free when they could make big $ charging for it . And that this limited attendance event would slowly change and become more like the holiday parties had become with the unlimited free snacks and drinks would also eventually disappear ...and thus become just like EMH was ...except now you're paying for it !


Interestingly enough, they did use to charge for what is known now as extra magic hours- many years ago for resort guests only. I'm searching my brain for what they called them and what the price was, but this isn't the first time they charged for extra time in the park.
 
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