America

[Buzz Rules]

No, they’re free to stay here & disagreement. That’s what freedom for all means.




. Politicians & judges.



Women are NOT able to get healthcare they need in many states. Many working poor can not afford even basic healthcare. Elderly in many rural areas don’t have specialists within a reasonable distance for the health care they need. If you’re a man with local health care you can afford, you would think the US has great health care. Because you have access to great health care doesn’t mean everyone in the US does.

1. Agreed.
2. Who are are elected for the people by the people (US Supreme Court judges are picked by the elected President and confirmed by the elected Senators). If your candidate lost the election, then clearly the majority who chose to vote, elected the chosen candidate according to that population. Our choices have a
consequences and that is a consequence of not having all eligible citizens vote because they were too busy, forgot, or whatever other excuse (legitimate or not) they may have.
3. Agreed that everyone should have quality healthcare. Not all women believe in abortion/birth control and many women believe on limitations as well. Healthcare is complicated because we have 340 million people compared to other first world countries that are 60 million. Our medicine is more expensive because we are a capitalistic society and those medications and surgeries would not have been invented without monetary support and profit making goals, regardless if that is morally right. Our costs are even higher since many medical advancements and treatments are created here and doctors/nurses are paid more here then in most other countries. Without those salaries, how many would pursue those careers? The bottom line is socialized medical insurance isn't feasible for the current spending in this country. Unless there is world peace, our military will take priority over healthcare (its a shame but true).

 

[White Cat]

No, they’re free to stay here & disagree. That’s what freedom for all means.




. Politicians & judges.



Women are NOT able to get healthcare they need in many states. Many working poor can not afford even basic healthcare. Elderly in many rural areas don’t have specialists within a reasonable distance for the health care they need. If you’re a man with local health care you can afford, you would think the US has great health care. Because you have access to great health care doesn’t mean everyone in the US does.

There is NO state that prohibits women from health care.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Just a few big ones. Don't worry, I won't sully this thread with controversy.

If you google the law, it's origin will probably be explained.

 

[Buzz Rules]

There is NO state that prohibits women from health care.

You might want to Google that.....

 

[Southernmiss]

Story includes refusal of medical care for a 10 year old,

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...girl-who-got-abortion-in-indiana/70358517007/

 

[nw6675]

There is NO state that prohibits women from health care.

She didn't say prohibits. There is a lack of access for many which she describes in her post. Just like there are food deserts, there are healthcare ones. Not just women of course.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

If you google the law, it's origin will probably be explained.

Oh, I'm sure every law has a root and meaning, I just meant that given my upbringing in the UK, some laws in America appear strange to me. Just as many laws in the UK must appear perplexing to people who grew up in the USA.

 

[hrhdhd]

Does Finland have free post secondary tuition?

Of course, you don't mean "free." You mean "paid for by someone else."

 

[Buzz Rules]

Story about refusal of medical care for a 10 year old,

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...girl-who-got-abortion-in-indiana/70358517007/

I don't agree that the state is right on this one but what is the latest poll on abortion overall in Ohio?

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Of course, you don't mean "free." You mean "paid for by someone else."

Does Finland have a socialised system?

 

[CdnCarrie]

Of course, you don't mean "free." You mean "paid for by someone else."

Yes publicly funded. I understand the concept.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Finland has a population around 5.5 million people. Canada has a population of 40 million. UK had a population of around 65 million. All three spend less on their military and donate less to other countries around the world than the USA (partly because the US military guarantees them military protection at our own expense) which is how they can partly invest more into their public health systems.

 

[sam_gordon]

I don't agree that the state is right on this one but what is the latest poll on abortion overall in Ohio?

Do you know the definition of "done"?

 

[Buzz Rules]

Do you know the definition of "done"?

I do but the thread is being allowed to continue so......

 

[nancipants]

I don't agree that the state is right on this one but what is the latest poll on abortion overall in Ohio?

Why should the population of any state get to determine what health care other residents in that state are able to access? It should be nobody’s business but the patient and doctor.

 

[sam_gordon]

I do but the thread is being allowed to continue so......

So you're not "done"? Just a suggestion... don't claim you're "done", then come back and post because "the thread is still up."(?).

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Interesting statistic: The USA does NOT have an entrenched socialised health care system, but it far outstrips EVERY OTHER NATION on EARTH in the amount of capita spent per person on health care. Why? Stuffed if I know. One explanation put froward to me is that your average American pays more on health care than, say, someone from the UK where we have the NHS as the NHS is a gargantuan body, capable of arguing medicine costs down from drugs companies better than individual insurance based businesses. Again, I couldn't possibly put this forward as an argument of my own and it may be bogus, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Why should the population of any state get to determine what health care other residents in that state are able to access? It should be nobody’s business but the patient and doctor.

I'm not saying they should. I'm saying the residents of that state let that become the norm through the officials they elected. Until this becomes a codified amendment/law, we will keep going in circles.

 

[Buzz Rules]

How naive you are, to compare the overturning of decades-old law, multiple times in a week, to interpreting the law. It's a questionable coincidence at best. If you can't recognize that this is the direction the Court is going and those decisions are hurting more people than they're helping, then you're not an effective debater.

Unless something is a federalized codified law (I assume but I'm not sure since I'm not an attorney), it can probably be overturned. That is the lesson Boomers, Gen X,Y,Z, and Alpha have learned this past year. Anyone who is eligible to run for office can always do so if they desire. If you don't like what is happening, vote them out. If your state doesn't, then it's not the will of that's state's population (whether you like the result or not).

 

[Buzz Rules]

Interesting statistic: The USA does NOT have an entrenched socialised health care system, but it far outstrips EVERY OTHER NATION on EARTH in the amount of capita spent per person on health care. Why? Stuffed if I know. One explanation put froward to me is that your average American pays more on health care than, say, someone from the UK where we have the NHS as the NHS is a gargantuan body, capable of arguing medicine costs down from drugs companies better than individual insurance based businesses. Again, I couldn't possibly put this forward as an argument of my own and it may be bogus, but interesting nonetheless.

If you look up the reasons why, you will have your answers.