This week's episode had me question the CM room access

bluecruiser said:
The post with the "princess" reference was written by a man, not a woman. You can see later in the post he was referenced as "Mr." Reading the full post, it sounds like his "princess" was his girlfriend/wife, not a child.
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I knew it was a man, I read that part. It just seemed the way he referred to his "princess" I took it as a dad referring to his daughter. My mistake.
 
rteetz said:
Interesting. I’ve never heard or seen that before. My mom runs an in home daycare and has never been worried about the doorbell while kids are sleeping.
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I hadn't heard of it either..until I moved into my neighborhood and was invited to a social networking site for others in and around the city. First time I saw it was a post about a mom upset that she had just gotten her baby to sleep and the UPS driver rang the doorbell causing her child to wake up. Multiple people chimed in on ideas and the most common one was putting a sign up on the door. But the issue also comes up with solicitors. People who have had lawn care or pest control, etc ringing their doorbell usually makes people more upset because at least with the package thing you're usually expecting it and most people don't want to have their child woken up for the purpose of someone droning on about selling something they don't even want. It's come up a few times regarding a sign up on the door for sleeping child but not too often on the site used just for my neighborhood.
 


The difference between a home and a hotel room is in a house for the most part if a child is napping it won't be right next to the door the person is knocking on. I know a child will either go to their room or another quiet area. When you are knocking on a hotel door it is more likely that the child will hear knock because the room is much smaller and once that door is opened the conversation will wake a restless sleeper. Take the situation that happened at our house on Sunday. I had come home from the gym and my sister was at the house with her kids. She has an 8 month old daughter. She had just gotten my niece to sleep finally because her cold was making it hard for her to sleep. No one in the room with the baby in it would dare speak because we didn't want to wake the baby. Thing is in a house there is the option of taking the baby/ child into another room to lessen sound/ distractions (like daylight) . This does not really exist in hotel rooms. You wake the baby in the day time I'll call you at night when baby is screaming to do your check at that time. LOL.
 
disneysteve said:
To each his own. Personally, I do not want hotel staff walking into my room when I'm in it (unless I admitted them). I also don't want them knocking on my door when I'm sleeping.

We actually prefer not to have housekeeping come into our hotel rooms at all if we can avoid it. For a while, Marriott was giving extra reward points if you skipped housekeeping, which we always took advantage of. They would let you go 3 consecutive days without it. As long as we get clean towels and some clean cups, we're good. We don't need our bed made for us.
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I also prefer to not have housekeeping during out hotel stays for a number of reasons.

Last week I stayed at a Marriott family property in New Orleans. They were still doing the 500 points per day you declined housekeeping -- the front desk gave me a hang tag to hand on my door handle that was along the lines of "I am earning points" by declining housekeeping.

SW
 
I may have missed it because I just skimmed the thread but this is really nothing more than security theater. The person entering the room is not going to be going through luggage so unless you leave weapons or other illegal contraband out they will look around, see nothing beyond a convention case or duffel bag, both of which are not suspicious in a hotel room at a place that houses conventions, and go about their merry way. If memory serves the Vegas shooter had all of his weapons in luggage and convention cases so a daily room check would have done as much to stop that event as the room being a different color would have (read:nothing).

That being said I don't really have an issue with the policy but hope they do respect any sign about a sleeping child and either check back a little later or knock more quietly. Until we see this policy in action after the initial implementation I won't per-determine the level of inconvenience.
 


maxiesmom said:
Is there a guarantee anything like a child napping sign will work?

Has anyone e-mailed Disney and brought up that scenario and asked how they would deal with that sort of sign? Or how they expect people to rest uninterrupted?
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I don't think there is any guarantee - I know in one of the threads about this in the resort forum someone described a similar situation: He explained to the front desk that they had a kids napping, etc. and that is why the "occupied" sign was up - the front desk understood and said they would come by later as the man indicated they would be out later .... but then a CM came into the room anyway just moments later while the child was napping and said he had to for security check - so there at least are times of at least poor communication

Basically, from what i have seen, you can ask and it might work, but at least for now there is no guarantee. Hopefully overtime things work out and they get a smoother system
 
MrKnight said:
This is a valid point. As with any new policy, more than likely they will have to post signage at the Front Desk, place letters in the rooms, and/or give out letters upon check-in explaining the new policy. I'm sure there will be growing pains, especially with guests that are not aware of the change, I wish the resort CMs the best, I am sure they will have to have extra managers available to step in when necessary.
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Not sure how consistent it is but in other threads there is a lot of talk of this not being explained when you check in - and if you do the online check in and go right to the room there isn't any note or anything in the room explaining it. They do see to be explaining it to people when they make a reservation but for people that made their reservation a while ago and are just getting there now, it doesn't seem to be being explained as well as it could be (or at least, there are reports of it not being)
 
GreatLakes said:
this is really nothing more than security theater
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This is true of most "security" measures that have been put into effect in recent years. Security checks at Disney are a perfect example. Only making every 7th or 8th person go through a metal detector is a farce. As Ryno said on the show, they should be screening every single person equally. Bag checks are the same. We've encountered everything from a quick glance to the guard taking out every item and checking inside every bag and container. And we were just at Disney last week when the temperatures were in the 30s and 40s. People were wearing long heavy winter coats with plenty of pockets and space to hide things but nothing special was done to screen them. I could very easily have been concealing something.

Most security serves two purposes. One, it gives the public a sense of security (John actually used that phrase on the show) and two, it gives the security crew time to watch people and look for shady behavior, someone who looks nervous, perhaps someone wearing that long winter coat when the temp isn't that cold, etc. And there definitely is value in both of those things but it's far from a perfect system.
 
Monykalyn said:
Gosh people are you that paranoid with ringing doorbells at home with napping kids?
Again-blown out of proportion. CM's aren't going to knock/announce/enter all at once with the sign up. IF the sign isn't up then I can see them simultaneously entering while knocking. Remember-Mousekeeping has a job to do and they are going to assume you will be at the parks during day if sign isn't up (ya know-why you paid big bucks to be there in first place!)
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Well, we don't have a door bell first off, and when the kids are napping it is upstairs in their room, not right near the front door

Apparently it is happening where even when that sign it up they are knocking and/or just coming in the room - hopefully this is just as they work the kinks out of the system and it is smoother over time ... but at best things seem to be inconsistent so I can understand people being worried
 
disneysteve said:
This is true of most "security" measures that have been put into effect in recent years. Security checks at Disney are a perfect example. Only making every 7th or 8th person go through a metal detector is a farce. As Ryno said on the show, they should be screening every single person equally. Bag checks are the same. We've encountered everything from a quick glance to the guard taking out every item and checking inside every bag and container. And we were just at Disney last week when the temperatures were in the 30s and 40s. People were wearing long heavy winter coats with plenty of pockets and space to hide things but nothing special was done to screen them. I could very easily have been concealing something.

Most security serves two purposes. One, it gives the public a sense of security (John actually used that phrase on the show) and two, it gives the security crew time to watch people and look for shady behavior, someone who looks nervous, perhaps someone wearing that long winter coat when the temp isn't that cold, etc. And there definitely is value in both of those things but it's far from a perfect system.
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definitely - plus it might just give people who are considering doing something pause - even if there is a small chance I will get caught, there is a chance so I will not do what I was going to do or bring that weapon I was thinking of, etc.

also, most places, but especially at Disney, it is the security you don't see that is the most effective at actually catching things
 
disneysteve said:
This is true of most "security" measures that have been put into effect in recent years. Security checks at Disney are a perfect example. Only making every 7th or 8th person go through a metal detector is a farce. As Ryno said on the show, they should be screening every single person equally. Bag checks are the same. We've encountered everything from a quick glance to the guard taking out every item and checking inside every bag and container. And we were just at Disney last week when the temperatures were in the 30s and 40s. People were wearing long heavy winter coats with plenty of pockets and space to hide things but nothing special was done to screen them. I could very easily have been concealing something.

Most security serves two purposes. One, it gives the public a sense of security (John actually used that phrase on the show) and two, it gives the security crew time to watch people and look for shady behavior, someone who looks nervous, perhaps someone wearing that long winter coat when the temp isn't that cold, etc. And th ere definitely is value in both of those things but it's far from a perfect system.
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@disneysteve
::yes::::yes::::yes::

'ZACTLY!!

So well said, and I so totally agree, as I've posted here many times before about being the "appearance of security" (instead of it being a thorough, fair, equal process - and not a farce, as you have so wisely said), or lulling guests in to a false sense of security.

As with much of life - my feeling totally is - DO it, or DON't. But - DON'T half step it!!!!

Although I will also totally agree with what @TheMaxRebo said about the security you DON'T see being very (if not more) effective. And - working with a PD for many years, and in emergency management and Homeland Security, I can say with all certainty, he is correct.
 
disneysteve said:
This is true of most "security" measures that have been put into effect in recent years. Security checks at Disney are a perfect example. Only making every 7th or 8th person go through a metal detector is a farce. As Ryno said on the show, they should be screening every single person equally. Bag checks are the same. We've encountered everything from a quick glance to the guard taking out every item and checking inside every bag and container. And we were just at Disney last week when the temperatures were in the 30s and 40s. People were wearing long heavy winter coats with plenty of pockets and space to hide things but nothing special was done to screen them. I could very easily have been concealing something.

Most security serves two purposes. One, it gives the public a sense of security (John actually used that phrase on the show) and two, it gives the security crew time to watch people and look for shady behavior, someone who looks nervous, perhaps someone wearing that long winter coat when the temp isn't that cold, etc. And there definitely is value in both of those things but it's far from a perfect system.
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Yep, I agree. We, the royal we, are always trying to stop the last attack instead of the next attack. Something happens so we change security to hopefully stop the next attempt of the same attack while the bad guys have moved on to something that hasn't been seen before.

I also think we hire wrong for security, at least at the airport. Hourly people with a GED aren't who should be doing the screening. Psychologists that deal with criminal behavior should be at every single security check point with no exceptions. Think the real life equivalent of the Criminal Minds cast. It will cost more but it will be more effective. In a past life I dealt a little with Israeli security and, at least at the time, a trained professional sat there and spoke with every single passenger that was getting on an El Al flight. An actual conversation at a desk for as long as the security official felt they needed to get a read on the passenger.

You can have inexpensive security theater or expensive actual security. You can't have both.

ETA: Back to the conversation at hand. I wonder how many of these type of security bars we will start to see folks bring on property. I wouldn't bother but with the paranoia I see in some posts around the web I'm sure some people are stocking up.
 
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GreatLakes said:
Yep, I agree. We, the royal we, are always trying to stop the last attack instead of the next attack. Something happens so we change security to hopefully stop the next attempt of the same attach while the bad guys have moved on to something that hasn't been seen before.

I also think we hire wrong for security, at least at the airport. Hourly people with a GED aren't who should be doing the screening. Physiologists that deal with criminal behavior should be at every single security check point with no exceptions. Think the real life equivalent of the Criminal Minds. It will cost more but it will be more effective. In a past life I dealt a little with Israeli security and, at least at the time, a trained professional sat there and spoke with every single passenger that was getting on an El Al flight. An actual conversation at a desk for as long as the security official felt they needed to get a read on the passenger.

You can have inexpensive security theater or expensive actual security. You can't have both.
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Wow - @GreatLakes - Gotta give you HUGE props!! You verbalized with such eloquence so much of the dialog in my mind which I could not put to "paper" clearly enough to make sense!! :worship:
 
Monykalyn said:
THIS! CM's and Mousekeeping etc are NOT going to go randomly knock on doors just because.


IF your "room occupied" sign is out do you REALLY think management/CM's etc are going to choose that time to do the check? REALLY? NO-they will make a note and come back at next round. If the sign remains up for hours and hours and hours every day then you may get a knock when sign is up. How many people spend 16 hours in a resort room at Disney (unless sick?)

This is being blown way way way out of proportion with what-ifs...
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Yep. This is exactly how the 'dogs being allowed at some resorts' thread went where everyone was freaking out that soon dogs would overtake the entire Disney World Resort and humans would no longer be allowed if they didn't have several dogs with them. I remember trying to tell people to relax a little bit and see how it plays out. So far most would never know a dog is staying at their resort, let alone taking over the pool and biting their kids every time they step out of the room. Hyperbole, I know, but not by much with the way that thread went.

I would also prefer that no one enters my room since we keep it clean it, but the small bit of comfort we lose is the price we pay when we have mass shootings happening every month with easy access to guns and Disney would be a pretty high profile target.
 
GreatLakes said:
I may have missed it because I just skimmed the thread but this is really nothing more than security theater. The person entering the room is not going to be going through luggage so unless you leave weapons or other illegal contraband out they will look around, see nothing beyond a convention case or duffel bag, both of which are not suspicious in a hotel room at a place that houses conventions, and go about their merry way. If memory serves the Vegas shooter had all of his weapons in luggage and convention cases so a daily room check would have done as much to stop that event as the room being a different color would have (read:nothing).

That being said I don't really have an issue with the policy but hope they do respect any sign about a sleeping child and either check back a little later or knock more quietly. Until we see this policy in action after the initial implementation I won't per-determine the level of inconvenience.
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I really don't know how you can assume that a daily room check would do nothing. Someone planning such an attack may avoid the place because they know about the policy and don't want to deal with it. Maybe they don't answer the door or they act strange even if their weapons are hidden which triggers an additional security check. Most criminals are not usually the intelligent people represented in TV and movies.

This is not to say this policy will prevent every type of attack from happening, but it may prevent one, and that's probably worth it.
 
b2k1121 said:
I really don't know how you can assume that a daily room check would do nothing. Someone planning such an attack may avoid the place because they know about the policy and don't want to deal with it. Maybe they don't answer the door or they act strange even if their weapons are hidden which triggers an additional security check. Most criminals are not usually the intelligent people represented in TV and movies.

This is not to say this policy will prevent every type of attack from happening, but it may prevent one, and that's probably worth it.
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Exactly. If I'm a criminal trying to stockpile I'm not going to pick a hotel where I know they could pop in my room at any time. I'll go stay someplace else.
 
maxiesmom said:
Exactly. If I'm a criminal trying to stockpile I'm not going to pick a hotel where I know they could pop in my room at any time. I'll go stay someplace else.
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I'd like to think that's true, but I truly don't.

If all the CMs are doing is coming in, emptying trash and glancing around, I wouldn't be concerned. Not checking bags? No metal detectors? No checking all the nooks and crannies? No real need for concern. Clearly, I wouldn't want them to DO any of that, but I don't think the illusion of security will be as strong of a deterrent as some think. Hopefully, I'm wrong though.
 
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