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lmhall2000

May the road rise to meet you....May God hold you
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Aug 11, 2002
I think we really want Copper Creek, but coming a bit late, yesterday- our DVC rep at Aulani told us CC was 95% sold...no 'deals' and at $210 a point...seems highly high. :) We'll probably try and buy resale...so, if we mostly travel in September or February..which use year should we be looking for? Love the pics! Thanks for the help! And if we buy 100 direct from Disney and 100 on resale...is it better to choose the same UY or get two different ones? My brain can't work this whole thing out.
 

Sea of Progress

Earning My Ears
Joined
Jan 12, 2015
I'll be staying in a dedicated 2 bedroom at CCV in November and I am thinking about putting in a room request but I am not sure how to word it. I would prefer not to have a dormer or closed balcony so should I ask for a non dormer balcony or ask for floor 1-5? Or, if I say I prefer an open balcony, will they know what I mean? Coming from Minnesota, I am hoping to get as much sunlight as I can while on my "tropical" vacation to the Wilderness Lodge :rotfl:
 
  • badeacon

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    Joined
    Jun 5, 2000
    I think we really want Copper Creek, but coming a bit late, yesterday- our DVC rep at Aulani told us CC was 95% sold...no 'deals' and at $210 a point...seems highly high. :) We'll probably try and buy resale...so, if we mostly travel in September or February..which use year should we be looking for? Love the pics! Thanks for the help! And if we buy 100 direct from Disney and 100 on resale...is it better to choose the same UY or get two different ones? My brain can't work this whole thing out.
    August use year would work best for those dates of travel as banking deadline is March 31. If you had to cancel any trips in those months , would be able to bank points and not lose them.
     

    Pooh12863

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    Aug 11, 2018
    I think we really want Copper Creek, but coming a bit late, yesterday- our DVC rep at Aulani told us CC was 95% sold...no 'deals' and at $210 a point...seems highly high. :) We'll probably try and buy resale...so, if we mostly travel in September or February..which use year should we be looking for? Love the pics! Thanks for the help! And if we buy 100 direct from Disney and 100 on resale...is it better to choose the same UY or get two different ones? My brain can't work this whole thing out.
    Find a contract you want resale and buy that first, and then buy your direct contract, it will be much easier to match use years that way. That said, it's not the end of the world if your use years don't match, it just takes more thought in managing your points. I own two resorts, two different use years, it isn't that bad figuring it out.
     

    bluecastle

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    Feb 27, 2012
    Hi all! I am not a DVCer but have stayed in villas as a cash customer. Loved our dedicated 2BR at VWL (aka BR) in 2014 and enjoyed the same at BWV in 2017, but didn't fall in love. Anyhow, have a January trip planned, just DH and I and had a Nature room in the lodge reserved. Then this happened: So, on Friday I was riding in our car on the way up to NJ for a family event and I saw a discount mentioned in a DIS email. I didn't have my info with me so I couldn't crunch the numbers, but I called anyway to see what I could get. Long story short (too late!) I switched from WL Nature view room to Copper Creek Deluxe Studio and saved around $360.00! I am looking forward to checking out CC and having a new experience in a very familiar place. Now I guess I should find out about views/requests. It is a pool view, which I know can be noisy, but I always request a high floor, so hope it's not too bad. Any advice?
     

    mrsap

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    Apr 30, 2012
    Hi all! I am not a DVCer but have stayed in villas as a cash customer. Loved our dedicated 2BR at VWL (aka BR) in 2014 and enjoyed the same at BWV in 2017, but didn't fall in love. Anyhow, have a January trip planned, just DH and I and had a Nature room in the lodge reserved. Then this happened: So, on Friday I was riding in our car on the way up to NJ for a family event and I saw a discount mentioned in a DIS email. I didn't have my info with me so I couldn't crunch the numbers, but I called anyway to see what I could get. Long story short (too late!) I switched from WL Nature view room to Copper Creek Deluxe Studio and saved around $360.00! I am looking forward to checking out CC and having a new experience in a very familiar place. Now I guess I should find out about views/requests. It is a pool view, which I know can be noisy, but I always request a high floor, so hope it's not too bad. Any advice?
    Hi there! I actually got stuck with a first floor Courtyard View room in November, and I didn’t find it to be too loud/noisy at all. I would definitely prefer a higher floor, though, so you can truly enjoy the beautiful views!! I hope you have a great time!
     

    Pooh12863

    Mouseketeer
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    Aug 11, 2018
    Hi all! I am not a DVCer but have stayed in villas as a cash customer. Loved our dedicated 2BR at VWL (aka BR) in 2014 and enjoyed the same at BWV in 2017, but didn't fall in love. Anyhow, have a January trip planned, just DH and I and had a Nature room in the lodge reserved. Then this happened: So, on Friday I was riding in our car on the way up to NJ for a family event and I saw a discount mentioned in a DIS email. I didn't have my info with me so I couldn't crunch the numbers, but I called anyway to see what I could get. Long story short (too late!) I switched from WL Nature view room to Copper Creek Deluxe Studio and saved around $360.00! I am looking forward to checking out CC and having a new experience in a very familiar place. Now I guess I should find out about views/requests. It is a pool view, which I know can be noisy, but I always request a high floor, so hope it's not too bad. Any advice?
    Copper Creek doesn’t have different bookable room views unless the cash side is different, but technically very few CCV rooms won’t have a pool view of one of the pools. Copper Creek Springs pool is the louder of the 2, Boulder Ridge Cove pools, is the quieter, less crowded pool. If your goal is quiet I would request a higher floor with a view of Boulder Ridge Cove pool, if an open balcony is wanted ask for 4th or 5th floor.
     

    sleepydog25

    Been here awhile
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    Aug 27, 2004
    I think we really want Copper Creek, but coming a bit late, yesterday- our DVC rep at Aulani told us CC was 95% sold...no 'deals' and at $210 a point...seems highly high. :) We'll probably try and buy resale...so, if we mostly travel in September or February..which use year should we be looking for? Love the pics! Thanks for the help! And if we buy 100 direct from Disney and 100 on resale...is it better to choose the same UY or get two different ones? My brain can't work this whole thing out.
    As others have noted, having the same UY is easier, but as conversely argued, it's not a huge pain to keep them straight. If you do buy both resale and direct, I like the advice given about buying resale first then going direct second. Disney will always find a way to let you spend money, even at resorts that are sold out and not actively being sold by Disney. As for resale vs direct, there is very little about buying direct that makes it a better choice. Granted, whether to buy direct or not is a personal choice, but you will almost always save thousands of dollars going resale, and no amount of small discounts and perks (which can end at their discretion, anyway) can make up the difference unless you perhaps hold onto the contract for 40 years or so. A quick search of just one resale site showed 100-pt contracts for as low as $158 pp, and 200-pt contracts at $149 pp. Do the math: $210 x 100 = $21K. $158 x 100 = $15.8K. That's over $5K you can save on one contract. How many years would it take you to recoup $5K using the 10% discount on merchandise, some restaurants, and ticket purchases? I know the answer for us. Genuinely wish you good luck in your search and decision!
     

    Pooh12863

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    Aug 11, 2018
    As others have noted, having the same UY is easier, but as conversely argued, it's not a huge pain to keep them straight. If you do buy both resale and direct, I like the advice given about buying resale first then going direct second. Disney will always find a way to let you spend money, even at resorts that are sold out and not actively being sold by Disney. As for resale vs direct, there is very little about buying direct that makes it a better choice. Granted, whether to buy direct or not is a personal choice, but you will almost always save thousands of dollars going resale, and no amount of small discounts and perks (which can end at their discretion, anyway) can make up the difference unless you perhaps hold onto the contract for 40 years or so. A quick search of just one resale site showed 100-pt contracts for as low as $158 pp, and 200-pt contracts at $149 pp. Do the math: $210 x 100 = $21K. $158 x 100 = $15.8K. That's over $5K you can save on one contract. How many years would it take you to recoup $5K using the 10% discount on merchandise, some restaurants, and ticket purchases? I know the answer for us. Genuinely wish you good luck in your search and decision!
    I agree with everything you said with one caveat, check the current incentives on latest and greatest resort. At the time I purchased CCV, with the amount of points I needed the sales incentives brought my cost down to the resale prices of that time. Buying direct for me was a no brainer.

    That said I personally would never buy Riviera direct. pooh:
     

    lmhall2000

    May the road rise to meet you....May God hold you
    Joined
    Aug 11, 2002
    I agree with everything you said with one caveat, check the current incentives on latest and greatest resort. At the time I purchased CCV, with the amount of points I needed the sales incentives brought my cost down to the resale prices of that time. Buying direct for me was a no brainer.

    That said I personally would never buy Riviera direct. pooh:
    Yes, zero sales incentives for CC..we are going to save the cash (should have enough by December) and just watch for contracts we like and start bidding. Is asking $10 off price fair? Especially on stripped contracts? I’ve seen prices from $147 to 165 and several point variables. Considering 150-200.
     

    SG131

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    Apr 3, 2017
    I actually was watching the cabins for that time this year. It was possible to book them at 7 months but they did actually get booked up not too long after and have stayed that way. It's something you'd want to be ready to book at 7 months.

    I'd really recommend buying where you want to stay. If you really love CCV more than Riviera then resale is much less expensive than CCV direct. I think having the resort to stay at that you really want to is more important than benefits that they can take away at anytime.
    Out of curiosity is there any chance you were watching Cabin 7 mo availability all the way through the first two weeks in December? Addonditis has hit if I end up having more points to play with, one year I’d love to try to book here. But if there’s almost no chance I’ll take it off of my wish list.
     

    sleepydog25

    Been here awhile
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    Aug 27, 2004
    I agree with everything you said with one caveat, check the current incentives on latest and greatest resort. At the time I purchased CCV, with the amount of points I needed the sales incentives brought my cost down to the resale prices of that time. Buying direct for me was a no brainer.

    That said I personally would never buy Riviera direct. pooh:
    Absolutely true. I should have mentioned that aspect. In fact, my wife and I bought a small direct VWL contract a few years back in that very manner. There were no incentives; however, it was a smaller contract, and those are generally much higher on the resale market--supply and demand sort of thing. Disney's asking price at the time was within $5 per point than a similar one resale, so we went direct as we thought it would be easier for them to be looking for the same UY as our larger resale contract. It worked. So, yes, there are caveats to saying "buy resale." Like you, I'd not buy any of the new resorts with the restrictions that will apparently be in place going forward. Few, if any, ever plan to sell their DVC contract down the road, but many wind up doing so, regardless. With the new restrictions, those resale contracts will be harder to sell and much cheaper to boot.

    Yes, zero sales incentives for CC..we are going to save the cash (should have enough by December) and just watch for contracts we like and start bidding. Is asking $10 off price fair? Especially on stripped contracts? I’ve seen prices from $147 to 165 and several point variables. Considering 150-200.
    Well, anything is fair. Now, will a seller think so? Depends on how badly they want to unload the contract, if anyone else puts in a higher bid, what the seller originally paid for the contract, et. al. All you can do is watch for appropriate contracts and submit your bid. Sometimes, people have had to be extremely patient to find just the right contract with the desired UY and the desired number of points. There are other bidders, and often more frustrating, is Disney's ROFR. Some have attempted to buy resale a few times before being successful. Those examples are often what people point to when they opt to buy direct in order to save themselves the "hassle of buying resale." In fact, to a large extent, Disney counts on buyers who want to go the easy route. And, yes, the more stripped the contract is the cheaper it will be. Honestly, in general, to get the best deal often means being very patient and stalking the resale sites. You sound as if you've a good handle on this DVC thing. ;)
     

    lmhall2000

    May the road rise to meet you....May God hold you
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    Aug 11, 2002
    I am trying to see where the dust settles on the restrictions released. I think you’ll see the full impact tracking 10-12 months out. I’ve already seen a dip the past few weeks. More curious to how Disney will respond to these dips. It changes how many will approach resale. I know it was designed to encourage buying direct- but they shouldn’t have raised the minimum from $75-100. Now, consumers are facing paying $21,000 for 100 points or resale for $14,700. I’m not sure that $7,000 will be made up on resale. We don’t spend $$ on items...we already have Disney Chase discount...we only travel once every 18 months- so, annual pass discounts aren’t a value for us...I think we’ve talked ourselves out of buying 100 direct and 100 resale. I actually foresee Disney offering a short-term buy-in at 50 but only if you buy Riviera. Even that does not entice us, but may for others.
     

    Pooh12863

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    Aug 11, 2018
    Yes, zero sales incentives for CC..we are going to save the cash (should have enough by December) and just watch for contracts we like and start bidding. Is asking $10 off price fair? Especially on stripped contracts? I’ve seen prices from $147 to 165 and several point variables. Considering 150-200.
    Unfortunately I think I caught the last round of decent incentives for CCV, the closer they came to selling out the incentives went away. I missed the really good incentives by a couple of months.

    Offering any price per point you want is fair, realistic is a different matter. The worst that can happen is the owner says no, Disney takes it on ROFR or you get out bid by a more aggressive buyer. Live to bid another day. :-) As far as stripped contracts, that's something you need to decide for yourself. They're usually cheaper, but can you wait 1-2 years before using your contract? I need instant gratification I only look at loaded contracts, your needs may be different.
     

    bluecastle

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    Feb 27, 2012
    I was looking at GC's map on page 1 and noticed that many of the studios are on the ground floor. I also noticed that there are very few studios with walk in shower, which is what I was offered with the latest discount, on the upper floors. So, I am trying to figure out what to request and what my priorities should be. I am a light sleeper and prefer not to hear people walking above me. I'm also a little concerned about noise from a neighbor in a lock-off. So, I was thinking of asking for high/top floor, dedicated studio and not ask for a particular view. What do you think?
     

    crvetter

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    Nov 26, 2018
    I was looking at GC's map on page 1 and noticed that many of the studios are on the ground floor. I also noticed that there are very few studios with walk in shower, which is what I was offered with the latest discount, on the upper floors. So, I am trying to figure out what to request and what my priorities should be. I am a light sleeper and prefer not to hear people walking above me. I'm also a little concerned about noise from a neighbor in a lock-off. So, I was thinking of asking for high/top floor, dedicated studio and not ask for a particular view. What do you think?
    The only other think I would consider is to request to look at the Boulder Ridge Pool rather than the Main Pool. As the Geyser and Pool can get loud during the day.
     

    mrsap

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    Apr 30, 2012
    Yes, zero sales incentives for CC..we are going to save the cash (should have enough by December) and just watch for contracts we like and start bidding. Is asking $10 off price fair? Especially on stripped contracts? I’ve seen prices from $147 to 165 and several point variables. Considering 150-200.
    I guess it depends on what resort you are going for. It took me five tries to pass ROFR when was trying to buy SSR for SAP’s. The first four contracts, we bid low on stripped contracts, all were taken by ROFR. Fifth offer, we over bid what the seller was asking for, on a fully loaded contract , and it passed. You just don’t know what Disney is looking for, unfortunately.
     

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