shawthorne44
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It looks like WDW is turning into a Six Flags.
Six Flags is insulted.
It looks like WDW is turning into a Six Flags.
for the record, i never called one person out, nor do i believe the public doesnt bear some responsibility. People are just nasty, not you, but the way people leave trash everywhere.So I will respond to this one. I have been ignoring this thread for a few days now, but I am well known as a "diehard Disney defender" and have often stated myself that I will pay higher prices. However, I am pretty sure it was this very thread earlier on where I agreed with cakebaker which is a rarity that overflowing trash cans were not acceptable. We disagree on the root cause of the issue and the solution (not a shocker - if you do not agree on the cause, you will often not agree on the solution), but I never absolved Disney of the responsibility to provide a clean park. I merely explained what IN MY OPINION may be contributing factors to the cause.
And I will be more clear. I BELIEVE that the general public (that's you, me, and that person over there) bear SOME of the responsibility as well. That trash was generated. It was deposited. The mess was created. It was (or was not) reported. That does not absolve Disney of responsibility too. Believe it or not, there can be more than one responsible party!
Can you please quote the posts of people blaming the guests and defending WDW?
And I will be more clear. I BELIEVE that the general public (that's you, me, and that person over there) bear SOME of the responsibility as well. That trash was generated. It was deposited. The mess was created. It was (or was not) reported. That does not absolve Disney of responsibility too. Believe it or not, there can be more than one responsible party!
No.If so, shouldnt I be compensated since I am doing the job the employee didnt?
Six Flags is insulted.
I had been hoping that they would take time during their closure to do some stuff without having people in the parks but it seemed expenditure-wise they didn't do a whole lot, though for the most part I was thinking ride sprucing up (since you don't have constant ridership) and whatnot. Trash though is less about TLC though.But obviously now it seems to be in need of some TLC.
I had been hoping that they would take time during their closure to do some stuff without having people in the parks but it seemed expenditure-wise they didn't do a whole lot, though for the most part I was thinking ride sprucing up (since you don't have constant ridership) and whatnot. Trash though is less about TLC though.
I'm right there with you, that's exactly what I had been thinking too.And the bonus was that it would mostly have been outdoor work. All exteriors could have had a good clean and paint touch-up, and I was shocked that it didn't happen.
Exactly, Disney doesn't have enough CMs, why are they increasing guest capacity? It is their fault the parks are dirty!I just saw some articles about other major companies (McDonald’s, Cheesecake Factory, White Castle, etc.) struggling to hire people and resorting to contacting people who applied years ago and who they rejected. These are mostly for the type of hourly jobs we’re talking about Disney being short-staffed on.
Just a datapoint that I think emphasizes the tough environment employers are facing right now.
If so, shouldnt I be compensated since I am doing the job the employee didnt?
If you are walking down your sidewalk, and see a piece of trash, do you ignore it and wait for some city person to pick it up? Do you expect the city has people driving around doing that? Do you charge your neighbor whose house was closest to it? Maybe you send a bill to the birds in the area?
I am not saying you should be walking around Disney picking up trash. But if you see a CM and say "hey, I noticed that trash can over there is a little full", did that really hurt you that much? It helped them.
How you treat people and how you treat the earth and how you respond to providing help to others that costs you nothing says more about you than about Disney.
And again, I am not absolving Disney of responsibility. No one here is saying that there should be overflowing trash cans and no one here is saying that is acceptable. But arguing that you should be compensated because it's not your job says volumes about you and nothing about them.
So in a movie theater, is it my responsibility to report that an empty seat below me didnt take their trash out....even though someone literally cleans the theater between movies? If so, shouldnt I be compensated since I am doing the job the employee didnt?
Maybe they missed it...but isnt it the job of the supervisor to hire attentive people and also follow up behind them to make sure they are succeeding?
If they are too busy, doesnt that just say they need more people?
If they cant hire more people, doesnt that say they need to pay more money or offer more perks to achieve that?
Disney has the ability to pay pt custodial staff $25 an hour if they wanted to and it wouldnt really have a huge impact on the companies bottom like. They make a conscious choice to pay $14 an hour and their hand was forced to get to that level.
If they paid more they would get more staff and mpre dedicated staff and none of these issues would be happening.
And the bonus was that it would mostly have been outdoor work. All exteriors could have had a good clean and paint touch-up, and I was shocked that it didn't happen.
In this case as least what I was talking about the issue was Disney not wanting pay for the construction/work in part; understandable to a point because well the parks revenue with it being closed and all. There was actually a construction company that was relying on work from Disney that lost out another one sued Disney for pre-pandemic and current pandemic issues and breaches of contract. They had covid-protocols and all that restricted some work but that was more on Disney on not doing some of the work voluntarily. Disney laid off a bunch of their contractors (bricklayers, carpenters, ironworkers, landscapers, painters, plumbers, etc) it wasn't the other way around.I don't think that it had anything to do with money. Do you all forget what it was like? No one was going anywhere and except for a few places, like grocery stores, no one was leaving their house. It could be that the companies that are contracted to do those things where no going to put their employees at risk. Now we know that being outside is safer, but back then, we didn't know anything. It's only been a year, how have you all forgotten what it was like?
The whole world was on lock down. Who was going to paint and what-not, the squirrels? Everything was halted.And the bonus was that it would mostly have been outdoor work. All exteriors could have had a good clean and paint touch-up, and I was shocked that it didn't happen.
In this case as least what I was talking about the issue was Disney not wanting pay for the construction/work in part; understandable to a point because well the parks revenue with it being closed and all. There was actually a construction company that was relying on work from Disney that lost out another one sued Disney for pre-pandemic and current pandemic issues and breaches of contract. They had covid-protocols and all that restricted some work but that was more on Disney on not doing some of the work voluntarily. Disney laid off a bunch of their contractors (bricklayers, carpenters, ironworkers, landscapers, painters, plumbers, etc) it wasn't the other way around.
In many other places yes you're absolutely right people weren't going anywhere but in the construction world that was not the same. My husband's company is a global construction company and his division he is in is power. They needed projects to continue, they wanted projects to continue, in Michigan, the only state they had issues in, they had to file a petition to allow work to continue on a power plant they were constructing. Aside from supply issues and any covid protocols the construction world didn't stop and it wasn't the same situation you had with retail, hotel, and restaurant employees.