Article: Is Disney Dissing the Disabled?

[karice2]

I was wondering how long it would take for some people to actually admit that they felt this way.

No one in life deserves anything over someone else.

When people are forced to do something nice or what is supposed to be the right thing then it really has no value.

I am kind because I want to be and don't need it to be pounded in my head that every person with a difficult situation deserves to be pitied. I don't feel guilty about it and I will continue to choose to let little kids in front of me because I want to and not because I know their entire life story is sad.

If it bothers people that I don't feel that people who have a hard life should be treated special so be it, I make no apologies for being me.

 

[Vidia2]

Don't try to project your bitterness onto me. I've never said any of those things. I've never said that my child deserves more than your child - it's been you saying that your child deserves more than mine. What I've said is that neither of them deserves any more than the other does.

I'm not bitter at all, I'm saying that your logic is flawed regarding what people deserve. Everyone deserves to be happy. I'm accepting of the fact that my child can't have many things in life because life isn't fair but you can't even accept that people with disabilities have a different wait at WDW.

 

[Vidia2]

No one in life deserves anything over someone else.

When people are forced to do something nice or what is supposed to be the right thing then it really has no value.

I am kind because I want to be and don't need it to be pounded in my head that every person with a difficult situation deserves to be pitied. I don't feel guilty about it and I will continue to choose to let little kids in front of me because I want to and not because I know their entire life story is sad.

If it bothers people that I don't feel that people who have a hard life should be treated special so be it, I make no apologies for being me.

I don't make the rules and neither do you. Talk to Disney.

 

[jbish]

I just had to reply to this.

I think critically ill children should go ahead of me. I think kids with cancer should go ahead of me, or kids who have had cancer, or kids on chemo, or kids just done with chemo, or kids who have ever HAD to have chemo. I mean come on, CHEMO; you should get a lifelong pass for doing that, what bravery.

I think that autistic children should go ahead of me. And I think that children who have to use wheelchairs should go ahead of me. I think that those with developmental delays should go ahead of me, and those with down syndrome. I think that kids with anxiety or crowd phobias should go ahead of me. I'm dead serious. I feel the same way about adults; any of the above, they should go ahead of me. God has blessed me with health now, and He gave me a childhood in which I got to go to Disney and theme parks and baseball games and I didn't spend it in therapy or in a hospital.

I think that kids whose parents have died and left them orphans should go ahead of me, and kids on their first and only trip should get a shorter line so they can see more. I think kids who have ever been abused or seen someone be abused should go ahead of me. I think any kid who has ever had to sleep overnight in the back seat of a car because the parents couldn't pay rent anymore, who somehow went from that to Disney World, should go ahead of me. They should get something special.

I think that the adorable, polite little girl in the Cinderella costume and saying please and thank you should step to the head of the line. I think the big brother that just hugged his little sister when she fell down to stop her crying should get some preference. I think the big sister who doesn't fight with her siblings and instead helps mom out every day of the year because she's a good kid should go ahead of me.

But all these kids can't go ahead of me. And if they did, their line would be as long as mine would be.

I think all those kids deserve something special. Yes, I think they DESERVE it. From being ill, to being alone, to having disabilities, to being poor or overcoming adversary, to just being a darned good kid. We just have to figure out how to do it right so all of these guys get the same great experience.

OMG you brought tears to my eyes. Literally. There are many people deserving of having the best and most magical vacation ever while at Disney.

 

[Objectivity]

Abuse is skipping every line, with little to no wait, and riding until you either get tired of it or a CM tells you have to leave the ride.

And everyone here agrees that is an abuse of the system. There is no dispute or argument in that regard. Someone came here talking about using old room keys and we unanimously expressed our content.

If you take the abusers out of the system it still isn't enough though is it?

If someone with a disability needs an accommodation to receive equal access, your approval and acceptance is irrelevant. They are legally entitled and the cost they pay, besides their disability to begin with, is knowing that there are people, like many here, who think they're getting away with something.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I'm not bitter at all, I'm saying that your logic is flawed regarding what people deserve. Everyone deserves to be happy. I'm accepting of the fact that my child can't have many things in life because life isn't fair but you can't even accept that people with disabilities have a different wait at WDW.

Because there is no reason for you to have a different wait. If you were being told that you had to wait 90 minutes in the hot, crowded line, of course I would say that is unreasonable for your child.

But it's also unreasonable for you to believe that you have the right to wait no more than 20 minutes on any ride, while others are waiting much longer.

What my kids will or won't do with their lives regarding prom, graduation, marriage, etc., is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

My kids may get married someday, so they don't deserve to have a good time at Disney now? That's just an odd thought process.

 

[OurBigTrip]

If someone with a disability needs an accommodation to receive equal access, your approval and acceptance is irrelevant. They are legally entitled and the cost they pay, besides their disability to begin with, is knowing that there are people, like many here, who think they're getting away with something.

Front of the line with no little to no waiting and looping on rides while others wait is not equal access, and no, they aren't entitled to that under the law.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Front of the line with no little to no waiting and looping on rides while others wait is not equal access, and no, they aren't entitled to that under the law.

Jesus...

You want to stiff arm anybody that tries to get on Soarin' ahead of you...we get it.

Congratulations, Costanza

 

[OneLittleSpark1]

I'm not bitter at all, I'm saying that your logic is flawed regarding what people deserve. Everyone deserves to be happy. I'm accepting of the fact that my child can't have many things in life because life isn't fair but you can't even accept that people with disabilities have a different wait at WDW.

Bitter is how you come across in your posts. I agree everyone deserves to be happy, your child and my child included. I think your logic if flawed. You don't seem like you accept it, accepting it would not be writing that your child won't be able to do x, y, and z in life, therefore they deserve to ride first.

I didn't go to High School, bc I was sick with my illness...I missed all the dances, games, prom, everything that a NT kid experiences. So do I deserve to cut in line bc of that? According to your logic, I should. I think you need to refer back to Zehns post....here I will quote it myself bc it's too late to quote through the boards....

"I think critically ill children should go ahead of me. I think kids with cancer should go ahead of me, or kids who have had cancer, or kids on chemo, or kids just done with chemo, or kids who have ever HAD to have chemo. I mean come on, CHEMO; you should get a lifelong pass for doing that, what bravery.

I think that autistic children should go ahead of me. And I think that children who have to use wheelchairs should go ahead of me. I think that those with developmental delays should go ahead of me, and those with down syndrome. I think that kids with anxiety or crowd phobias should go ahead of me. I'm dead serious. I feel the same way about adults; any of the above, they should go ahead of me. God has blessed me with health now, and He gave me a childhood in which I got to go to Disney and theme parks and baseball games and I didn't spend it in therapy or in a hospital.

I think that kids whose parents have died and left them orphans should go ahead of me, and kids on their first and only trip should get a shorter line so they can see more. I think kids who have ever been abused or seen someone be abused should go ahead of me. I think any kid who has ever had to sleep overnight in the back seat of a car because the parents couldn't pay rent anymore, who somehow went from that to Disney World, should go ahead of me. They should get something special.

I think that the adorable, polite little girl in the Cinderella costume and saying please and thank you should step to the head of the line. I think the big brother that just hugged his little sister when she fell down to stop her crying should get some preference. I think the big sister who doesn't fight with her siblings and instead helps mom out every day of the year because she's a good kid should go ahead of me.

But all these kids can't go ahead of me. And if they did, their line would be as long as mine would be.

I think all those kids deserve something special. Yes, I think they DESERVE it. From being ill, to being alone, to having disabilities, to being poor or overcoming adversary, to just being a darned good kid. We just have to figure out how to do it right so all of these guys get the same great experience."

 

[budwmn]

By this logic, your child deserves to get to go to prom, get a drivers license, graduate from high school and college, fall in love, get married, have a family, take his/her own family to WDW someday, have grandchildren, have choices in life and not be the victim of hate. My child on the other hand doesn't deserve these things? Life isn't fair, right? Your logic is flawed.

Thanks for saying what I've been feeling. My 17 year old autistic son will never experience these things. Autism isn't a childhood illness, but a life long condition. And, just a reminder to some, not all autistic people are children. My son is almost 6 ft tall. When he has a meltdown and starts crying and hitting himself in the head, it is going to scare little kids and adults alike. But, hey, you want him to wait just like you do, so be prepared for the consequences.

Disney has been the only vacation that has helped him have a somewhat normal childhood experience. He could ride 3 or 4 rides before we needed to return to the room for quiet time. The GAC made our trips possible by providing Fastpass line access to the handful of rides he enjoyed. We never repeated a ride. In the 13 years we've been visiting WDW, I've only seen one other family use a GAC to get into a FP line. The only FOTL access we had was at Pirates of the Caribbean which did not have a FP entrance. There, we would wait 15-30 minutes outside for a CM who who escort us inside. I have never seen the abuse described on this thread, although I am not claiming none existed. We leave for WDW in two days. I'm nervous, but am hoping for the best. The FP+ reservations should help a lot, but I feel sorry for those staying offsite who do not have this option. I think Disney should have waited to introduce the DAS when FP+ and magic bands were available to all guests.

 

[karice2]

I'm not bitter at all, I'm saying that your logic is flawed regarding what people deserve. Everyone deserves to be happy. I'm accepting of the fact that my child can't have many things in life because life isn't fair but you can't even accept that people with disabilities have a different wait at WDW.

It doesn't appear that you have accepted that your child can't have many things in life because it is used as the basis of a lot of your argument about special treatment.

The term has changed from no wait to different wait.

I get it, you are in a situation that sucks and not of your own choosing. It is an exhausting never ending cycle of figuring out how to make this work. You don't want to be upset because you love your kid and every comment against your situation hurts because you have to work so hard for every thing. Moments that other take for granted are only a dream for you.

With everything that you go through every day, you want just this something special to make it a little easier. It is hard to see it from any other perspective because it is hard and isolating and lonely.

Everyone wants your child to have all the joy that life can offer but they want that for every child. Such is the nature of children.

You can't have disdain for those who want an opportunity for every child to have an equal chance at joy and wonderment.

 

[Objectivity]

Front of the line with no little to no waiting and looping on rides while others wait is not equal access, and no, they aren't entitled to that under the law.

The first part of the message that YOU QUOTED had me agreeing with that. There is no disagreement.

The more the same line is trotted out the more it become apparent. Your issue isn't "front of the line with no little to no waiting and looping on rides while others wait." There is no dispute in that regard (with the except of a small group where board-certified physicians say looping has a medical benefit).

It sounds like your issue is that any accommodation is given at all.

 

[Vidia2]

Because there is no reason for you to have a different wait. If you were being told that you had to wait 90 minutes in the hot, crowded line, of course I would say that is unreasonable for your child.

But it's also unreasonable for you to believe that you have the right to wait no more than 20 minutes on any ride, while others are waiting much longer.

Where did I say that this is what I believe is appropriate?

What my kids will or won't do with their lives regarding prom, graduation, marriage, etc., is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

My kids may get married someday, so they don't deserve to have a good time at Disney now? That's just an odd thought process.

I see where you're trying to take this but that's not what I'm saying. Life isn't fair. People accept their children's disabilities, adjust to obstacles, and move on. Why can't you accept this system that you have no control over and move on?

 

[OurBigTrip]

Jesus...

You want to stiff arm anybody that tries to get on Soarin' ahead of you...we get it.

Congratulations, Costanza

I'm guessing you didn't read the post I was responding to. I was simply pointing out that there is no legal obligation for Disney to provide this. If they want to, it's their choice, but they certainly don't have to.

And yes, it's my choice to complain about about unreasonable accommodations if I want to.

 

[OurBigTrip]

The first part of the message that YOU QUOTED had me agreeing with that. There is no disagreement.

The more the same line is trotted out the more it become apparent. Your issue isn't "front of the line with no little to no waiting and looping on rides while others wait." There is no dispute in that regard (with the except of a small group where board-certified physicians say looping has a medical benefit).

It sounds like your issue is that any accommodation is given at all.

Wrong again. I've stated numerous times that the accommodations offered under DAS as originally announced were very reasonable. Everyone waits, but those that can't wait in lines can wait someplace that is more comfortable for them, someplace where they are removed from the heat and the crowds.

 

[OneLittleSpark1]

The more the same line is trotted out the more it become apparent. Your issue isn't "front of the line with no little to no waiting and looping on rides while others wait." There is no dispute in that regard (with the except of a small group where board-certified physicians say looping has a medical benefit).

It sounds like your issue is that any accommodation is given at all.

I disagree with this. For as much as OBT has talked about looping and no waiting, as many people who agree with that being abuse (no matter the side they are on, with the issue), the same amount of people have stated that they disagree that it is abuse.

On this page alone, we have had a few people post that their child deserved FOTL, bc of what they have to deal with the other 51 weeks of the year. And that is where the back and forth is coming from.

At this point, I think (I can't guarantee) that I am done with this. The phrase "Stupid is as stupid does" comes to mind, and I can't be bothered anymore.

To those that need accommodations, I hope you find something that works for your family and you can adjust. To those that feel that no matter the case, situation, or circumstance that their kid deserves to loop and have FOTL access for whatever reason...entitled people will always feel entitled. You can't talk them out of it, they are special. Boy have you showed how special you really are. Good luck to you...at Disney and life, as I feel you aren't going to have a very happy one. It's a long crash down from that pedestal.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Where did I say that this is what I believe is appropriate?

You've stated that you use the GAC if the regular line is more than 20 minutes.

I see where you're trying to take this but that's not what I'm saying. Life isn't fair. People accept their children's disabilities, adjust to obstacles, and move on. Why can't you accept this system that you have no control over and move on?

Much like you, I have no choice but to accept it. But I'm certainly permitted to complain about it, just like you complain about how hard your life is.

The difference between us is that I believe that all kids deserve to have a good time at Disney, not just my kids.

 

[Granny square]

In other words, you're on a trolling mission.

Really? Many people call the exchangers ideas and opinions conversation.

 

[Vidia2]

Bitter is how you come across in your posts. I agree everyone deserves to be happy, your child and my child included. I think your logic if flawed. You don't seem like you accept it, accepting it would not be writing that your child won't be able to do x, y, and z in life, therefore they deserve to ride first.

I knew you were going to go down this road.

I absolutely did not say that my child deserves to ride first because of other things because he can't do x, y, and z.

Not only is that part of your statement wrong, but I also didn't say that I thought that my child deserves to ride first. By the way, I also don't think that he deserves to have autism but that's not connected to the accommodations that he "deserves" or not at WDW.

Maybe you should reread what I said.

It's too bad that everyone doesn't get the vacation or the life that they "deserve". I think everyone deserves to be happy and have every opportunity but that's not reality.

The fact about WDW and DL is that they have these accommodations and they will continue to have them. I don't think they should be abused and my family doesn't abuse them. So far I've only seen one poster in this thread who seems to be "gaming" the system.

 

[Vidia2]

Really? Many people call the exchangers ideas and opinions conversation.

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