Convince me I don't need Disney (of help me convince my parents that they do)

[jvncnt]

If it hasn't been said before, my idea is that if you even think you might complain about Princess or compare and contrast DCL and Princess while on board, let your parents go on their anniversary in peace without you. Then, you can treat them on a DCL cruise on your dime as your gift to them, albeit perhaps a late gift. That way you look neither ungrateful or like a turd, and in fact, give them a treat for their anniversary!

 

[tlprice]

Honestly this whole thread sent me over to the Princess site and now I'm convinced I'll book with them if we do Alaska again unless DCL offers Hubbard Glacier again or gets a permit for Glacier Bay. I want to go in mid-late July next time so we can have a chance at seeing salmon and bears in Ketchikan, and that is peak pricing time for DCL. This assuming, of course, that Princess really has cleaned up its act with waste water.

So funny, because this thread also sent me over to the Princess site. I have an Alaska DCL cruise booked for June 2020. I was hoping Princess would be significantly better and cheaper and I would switch (it is the one other line that my daughter has expressed interest in because of the Discovery stuff). I don't WANT to do a one way cruise. I have done an Alaska land trip and hated it! Therefore, I just want a round trip ship based trip. When looking, I actually found Princess would cost me more than DCL. Now, I do have some different parameters than a lot of others. There are only 2 of us so price differences really aren't that much ever, we had an OBB for DCL which lowered our price, and we are cruising EARLY June, so the prices are lower than other times of the year.
I also would love it if my parents took me on a cruise. They are celebrating their 50th anniversary this year and I wish I could afford to take them on a cruise, as they've never been. I can't afford to take them and they can't afford to take me. Unfortunately, my dad is on dialysis and would have to go on a special cruise anyway and when I looked up cruises that provide dialysis, it is REALLY expensive! So, OP go and enjoy this cruise with your parents BECAUSE YOU CAN!

 

[Nagle]

I feel like a selfish turd for even posting this but here it is anyway.
My parents are planning to take my family of 4 (DW, DD6, DD4,& Me) on an Alaska cruise for their 50th anniversary. They were planning on Princess cruises then switched to Disney which was exciting but then they switched back. I really want the girls to have a great trip and I'm worried that the Princess Cruise won't deliver. One detail that worries me is that the kids clubs break the ages at 7 which will split the girls up when we take the trip in 2 years and they're pretty close with the younger one in particular dealing with some attachment stuff. I also can't seem to sell myself on the kids' clubs on the Princess ships, they look like (and I'm sure are) afterthoughts. We can't just default to swimming instead of kids clubs either because Alaska in the early summer isn't exactly going to be hot.
Pricing out the options for similar rooms on the two lines shows that Disney is nearly double the price. Maybe if it were my money I'd doubt the value in it but I honestly think the Disney option actually looks 2x as good to me.
Any tips and tricks for convincing my parents that they should spring for the cruise that's 2x the cost because their greedy man-child thinks it's better. Or perhaps better yet (though sacrilege on this forum), any tips to help me get the f over the change and be happy we're getting treated to a cruise at all?

You’re being treated to a cruise? If a Disney cruise is that important to you, man up and pay the difference instead of trying to talk your parents into it.

 

[BrianF]

Thank you all for your input. It's been particularly great to hear from those of you that have compared the two cruise lines, especially as they perform for Alaska itineraries. I suspect I was underestimating the amount of time we'll be spending off the boat and that certainly will make a big difference in how much the on-board features really matter. I also think I've got my love of all things Disney coloring my expectations of the kids clubs and the poor marketing of the kids clubs over at Princess' site wasn't living up to that, with people saying that their kids spent so much time in front of a screen on DCL it really makes me feel like any line could offer that and perhaps the Discovery aspect of Princess will lure the girls into some more productive club time.

It's a shame that so few people can tell when someone's self deprecation is an indication of their own disappointment in their current behavior. I recognize that feeling like I need to up-sell my parents is greedy, that's why I said it was greedy and asked for help convincing me that it was also unnecessary.

It's also a bummer that so many self-righteous people seem to be so interested in fixing or judging me armed with incomplete information and misconceptions. I realize my time with my parents is limited, I appreciate every minute of it and wish that everyone was lucky enough to have had as much of that time with their parents as I have with mine. I have the luxury of getting many of those minutes as I live close to them and we see each other often, so do their granddaughters. They have the resources to treat us to this trip and I do not have the resources to treat them to a trip on either cruise line. They like to treat us to things that we like. They've been involving me in the planning because they appreciate my input and know that spending thousands of dollars for bored grandkids would be a waste, especially if there was a way to spend a bit more and keeping the girls entertained. I thought it looked like my daughters were going to be bored and grumpy and therefore souring the potentially great trip and wasting my parents money, that seemed worth warning them about. This is not a once-in-a-lifetime type of treat from them, I've been lucky to have several trips and many more instances of more practical support from my generous parents and I've also seen the disappointment when something they wanted to be amazing didn't quite hit the mark.

We could pretend that the cruise doesn't matter but if that was the case we'd all just spend the week in a hotel in Omaha or one of our houses. It matters, the experiences you have with loved ones amplify the mood. Of course even mundane tasks and moments can be amazing with loved ones, I love just sitting watching a movie with family or friends, but when someone is going to be spending a lot of money the potential for strong feelings good or bad goes up, it'd be a shame to find out a family trip was spent doing something that wasn't catered for families and filled our memories with grumpy interactions and disappointing moments. That was the risk I saw.

It's the internet, my true tone is hard to read, people are quick to be blunt and judgmental, and ultimately I shouldn't give any of it much weight but I'm going to at least take note of how few of you said that DCL is the better option for Alaska. I'll probably pass at least that information on to my parents because I'm sure they knew we were more excited when DCL was the plan and they'll be happy to hear it we are headed down the path that sounds like it may be both the best value and experience.

 

[donaldbuzz&minnie]

I recognize that feeling like I need to up-sell my parents is greedy, that's why I said it was greedy and asked for help convincing me that it was also unnecessary.

Your original post said:

Or perhaps better yet (though sacrilege on this forum), any tips to help me get the f over the change and be happy we're getting treated to a cruise at all?

It's a shame that so few people can tell when someone's self deprecation is an indication of their own disappointment in their current behavior. I recognize that feeling like I need to up-sell my parents is greedy, that's why I said it was greedy and asked for help convincing me that it was also unnecessary.

They like to treat us to things that we like.

You said that you are disappointed in you own behavior. You said you want help in controlling your own sense of greediness. That help is what several people gave you. They told you to stop behaving as if your wants in this matter are important. The entire post (above) seems to be a rationale for why what you want matters. The help you were given was to tell you it doesn't.

It's good that this entire post gave you some reasons to feel happier about the cruise your parents chose. That may help you feel less disappointed. But the way to stop being greedy is to just stop. Stop worrying about how much you and your family are going to enjoy the cruise. Start worrying about how you and your family are going to make the cruise your parents want to go on the best experience ever for them. As a freely given gift to your parents, shield them from grumpiness by entertaining your bored children yourselves if you need to, out of sight of your parents. Absolutely shield them from even a hint of your own disappointment.

Encourage your parents to choose the cruise that would make them the happiest. Instead of worrying about what you are getting, give them the gift of reassurance that their happiness is what will make you the happiest. Tell them that any cruise they choose will be great and that you are so appreciative that they want to take you and your family along. Tell them how much you love them, and how proud you are that you belong to a family where they are your parents. If you're have a hard time doing that simple thing, ask yourself, "why?" Then answer that question without self-justification.

No one can fault you for feeling greedy. You can only be judged for your behavior. Behave like a grown-up. That's how you can stop being disappointed in yourself.

 

[Kate_45]

I'm sorry, but saying that you're helping someone to stop being greedy by saying "stop being greedy" is like when someone asks you to remind them to pick up milk and you instantly say back to them "pick up milk."


(Not to mention the fact that he didn't ask for help with that, he asked for advice regarding cruise lines)

 

[Hrhpd]

I'm sorry, but saying that you're helping someone to stop being greedy by saying "stop being greedy" is like when someone asks you to remind them to pick up milk and you instantly say back to them "pick up milk."


(Not to mention the fact that he didn't ask for help with that, he asked for advice regarding cruise lines)

Actually that is exactly what he asked. He asked for "any tips to help me get the f over the change and be happy we're getting treated to a cruise at all?"

He asked for help to get the %$#@ over his parent's choice. The whole bit about the different cruise lines was just a precursor to him admitting he isn't happy that he is getting treated to a cruise at all.

 

[Hrhpd]

Thank you all for your input. It's been particularly great to hear from those of you that have compared the two cruise lines, especially as they perform for Alaska itineraries. I suspect I was underestimating the amount of time we'll be spending off the boat and that certainly will make a big difference in how much the on-board features really matter. I also think I've got my love of all things Disney coloring my expectations of the kids clubs and the poor marketing of the kids clubs over at Princess' site wasn't living up to that, with people saying that their kids spent so much time in front of a screen on DCL it really makes me feel like any line could offer that and perhaps the Discovery aspect of Princess will lure the girls into some more productive club time.

It's a shame that so few people can tell when someone's self deprecation is an indication of their own disappointment in their current behavior. I recognize that feeling like I need to up-sell my parents is greedy, that's why I said it was greedy and asked for help convincing me that it was also unnecessary.

It's also a bummer that so many self-righteous people seem to be so interested in fixing or judging me armed with incomplete information and misconceptions. I realize my time with my parents is limited, I appreciate every minute of it and wish that everyone was lucky enough to have had as much of that time with their parents as I have with mine. I have the luxury of getting many of those minutes as I live close to them and we see each other often, so do their granddaughters. They have the resources to treat us to this trip and I do not have the resources to treat them to a trip on either cruise line. They like to treat us to things that we like. They've been involving me in the planning because they appreciate my input and know that spending thousands of dollars for bored grandkids would be a waste, especially if there was a way to spend a bit more and keeping the girls entertained. I thought it looked like my daughters were going to be bored and grumpy and therefore souring the potentially great trip and wasting my parents money, that seemed worth warning them about. This is not a once-in-a-lifetime type of treat from them, I've been lucky to have several trips and many more instances of more practical support from my generous parents and I've also seen the disappointment when something they wanted to be amazing didn't quite hit the mark.

We could pretend that the cruise doesn't matter but if that was the case we'd all just spend the week in a hotel in Omaha or one of our houses. It matters, the experiences you have with loved ones amplify the mood. Of course even mundane tasks and moments can be amazing with loved ones, I love just sitting watching a movie with family or friends, but when someone is going to be spending a lot of money the potential for strong feelings good or bad goes up, it'd be a shame to find out a family trip was spent doing something that wasn't catered for families and filled our memories with grumpy interactions and disappointing moments. That was the risk I saw.

It's the internet, my true tone is hard to read, people are quick to be blunt and judgmental, and ultimately I shouldn't give any of it much weight but I'm going to at least take note of how few of you said that DCL is the better option for Alaska. I'll probably pass at least that information on to my parents because I'm sure they knew we were more excited when DCL was the plan and they'll be happy to hear it we are headed down the path that sounds like it may be both the best value and experience.

If your kids are bored on an Alaskan cruise, that is not the cruise line's fault. Instead, why don't you research the ports and the places you go and devise things to keep your children interested? It might be more work but that is what a parent does.

This isn't about you. This is your parent's anniversary that they are inviting you to share with them by giving you a huge gift. It is up to you to give the gift back by bending over backwards to make it special for them.

Again, if you are so set on Disney, the adult/not greedy thing is to pay the difference.

 

[DisneyWishes14]

We have not sailed on Princess, but my DS11 has sailed on NCL, DCL, Paul Gauguin, Celebrity and is about to go on his first Lindblad/Nat. Geo. expedition. I can tell you, honestly, he has loved every one of them. The itinerary really can be as big (if not bigger) of a draw as the ship itself. Perhaps see this more as a trip to Alaska (and not a cruise) and focus more on the adventures you will have off the ship - we sailed NCL to Alaska when my DS was 4 1/2 and he still talks about dog sledding. He doesn't talk about the ship at all. We also sailed DCL to Norway, Iceland and Scotland and it's the same - he talks more about the destinations and what we experienced in the ports than the ship. And, he has also enjoyed the kids' clubs and kids' activities on all of the ships we've been on. I really think your entire family will enjoy the Princess cruise.

 

[kateandy08096]

You sound like my daughter. I always PAY to take her and my granddaughter with us to Disney as we are DVC. We pay for all meals, annual passes EVERYTHING. She once complained that we stayed at Animal Kingdom Savannah view in a value size room (way cheaper points) and NOT the Polynesian. Needless to say we go every 45 to 60 days and she now gets left at home and we just take our granddaughter.

 

[MomOTwins]

Oh for goodness sake, all this ganging up on OP is not very nice, especially coming from people who claim to place value on being polite (except when it comes to their own shaming-by-internet of OP). Vacation time is precious and OP is not a monster for merely wishing he could spend his vacation the way he would prefer. He brought it up on these boards before talking to his parents precisely because he recognized that it might be greedy to ask his parents directly, and wanted a gut check from this group--he doesn't need repeated haranguing and name-calling when you could just be answering his questions. A simple "yes, Princess is a perfectly nice option because [x], and no you shouldn't ask your parents to pay double when you are already getting a very nice free vacation" would suffice.

 

[FigmentSpark]

Oh for goodness sake, all this ganging up on OP is not very nice, especially coming from people who claim to place value on being polite (except when it comes to their own shaming-by-internet of OP). Vacation time is precious and OP is not a monster for merely wishing he could spend his vacation the way he would prefer. He brought it up on these boards before talking to his parents precisely because he recognized that it might be greedy to ask his parents directly, and wanted a gut check from this group--he doesn't need repeated haranguing and name-calling when you could just be answering his questions. A simple "yes, Princess is a perfectly nice option because [x], and no you shouldn't ask your parents to pay double when you are already getting a very nice free vacation" would suffice.

AND.... this was the OPs first visit to our site. Not very nice way for us to say 'welcome'.

 

[Hrhpd]

Oh for goodness sake, all this ganging up on OP is not very nice, especially coming from people who claim to place value on being polite (except when it comes to their own shaming-by-internet of OP). Vacation time is precious and OP is not a monster for merely wishing he could spend his vacation the way he would prefer. He brought it up on these boards before talking to his parents precisely because he recognized that it might be greedy to ask his parents directly, and wanted a gut check from this group--he doesn't need repeated haranguing and name-calling when you could just be answering his questions. A simple "yes, Princess is a perfectly nice option because [x], and no you shouldn't ask your parents to pay double when you are already getting a very nice free vacation" would suffice.

I am not seeing anywhere where the OP is being forced to vacation against his will. He is perfectly free to tell his parents "no thank you, we prefer to sail Disney" and book his own cruise.

IF he just wanted to know about how Princess compares to Disney for an Alaskan cruise, he did not need to bring all the parent drama into it. All he needed to do was say they were contemplating a cruise to Alaska and wanted to know the pros and cons of Princess vs Disney for young children.

There was absolutely no need to mention the fact that he was pissed that his parents were taking him on a Princess cruise and wanted to know "how the "F" to get over it." Sorry, when someone resorts to bad language describing a gift from their parents for their 50th anniversary, they open the door to push back. Either he is clueless about his greed or he was looking for drama.

 

[bumbershoot]

And Disney does Not (at least not intentionally!!)

Not that we know of yet.
This fine is for behavior years ago, after

If I ever found out that one of my children was as selfish and ungrateful as OP I'd be absolutely heartbroken.

He’s asking for help from people who know a lot. He’s going to the experts. You’d be heartbroken that he’s having emotions and is asking for help with them?

I’d be happy if my son did that.

I think it's brave for someone to put emotions which arent socially accepted out in the open.

Agreed.

Except it's not an ugly sweater... It's an incredible vacation experience that a lot of people cannot afford to begin with.

And... "I'm grateful BUT..." means that deep down inside, you're not really grateful.

It’s a gift. A gift he’s not sure he’ll love. Just like a sweater that’s not to your taste.

One can be grateful AND have other thoughts. The human mind is amazing and can hold all sorts of thoughts, all at once, and mean/feel all of them at once.

I'm confused. What does cruising has to do with food banks? It's like comparing apples and... dragon fruits. LOL

It had to do with having the same food day after day, as the poster described. The recipients can be grateful for the food help AND wish for variety.

Made me realize that while Disney is expensive they make their money upfront and are not trying nickel and dime you to make up the difference on the ship.

Having dined at Palo three times I’m very aware that there is specialty (upsell) dining on Disney.

Having been to the spa on Disney, I am very aware that there are extra opportunities to spend money beyond my high fare on Disney.

Literally the only thing Royal charges extra for that Disney doesn’t is soda and the delivery fee for non-breakfast room service.

It used to be that Disney ONLY had free ice cream so royal’s Ben and Jerry’s shops could go on that list, but then Disney got rid of the arcades (which my son and then-husband quite happily used) and put on a speciality, extra-cost, ice cream shop.

Since my son cant have the cruddy ice cream on either line (or soft serve), Ben and Jerry’s was a joy for him. The extra $40 for a week-long cruise wasn’t a hardship.

, food at the coffee shop, eye scream (soft serve on deck) all included

Those things are also on Royal, and are included.

Room Service, Soda in the cabanas or by the pool

Adding on the delivery fee for room service and a soda package would not bring my Royal per-day cruise fares up to my Disney fares.

And I don’t drink soda.

The servic level was so much better on Disney

Definitely has not been my experience. Radiance, Freedom twice, Vision, and Adventure (which I think is the same class as Explorer) of the seas so far, and the service has been top notch and less cloying compared to Disney.

Sorry, but below doesn't sound very grateful. And based on his 34 past posts, being a Disney Loyalist is a stretch.

I can see that you don’t like even the thought of swearing. It’s obvious that it has bugged you a lot.

My concern is that his disappointment should not take center stage at such a milestone event.

Thankfully, it’s not. As far as I can tell, his parents don’t even know of his disappointment. We know. We aren’t his parents. It’s taking no stage (let alone center) in regards to his parents anniversary.

(And of course an anniversary is a totally private event that some people choose to celebrate publicly (why, I have no idea). )

But still, he’s not talking to them. He is talking to us.

It's a shame that so few people can tell when someone's self deprecation is an indication of their own disappointment in their current behavior.

Some of us got that. Sorry others didn’t.

The entire post (above) seems to be a rationale for why what you want matters.

Nah. He’s continuing to communicate with us. He’s admitting faults, thanking some for their words, and wishing that others hadn’t been so harsh.

If your kids are bored on an Alaskan cruise, that is not the cruise line's fault. Instead, why don't you research the ports and the places you go and devise things to keep your children interested? It might be more work but that is what a parent does.

This isn't about you. This is your parent's anniversary that they are inviting you to share with them by giving you a huge gift. It is up to you to give the gift back by bending over backwards to make it special for them.

Again, if you are so set on Disney, the adult/not greedy thing is to pay the difference.

I don’t know what you’re reading in his response to us. Definitely not what I’m reading!

You sound like my daughter. I always PAY to take her and my granddaughter with us to Disney as we are DVC. We pay for all meals, annual passes EVERYTHING. She once complained that we stayed at Animal Kingdom Savannah view in a value size room (way cheaper points) and NOT the Polynesian. Needless to say we go every 45 to 60 days and she now gets left at home and we just take our granddaughter.

Except that he’s not telling his parents this. He is asking us. Your daughter trusted you enough to share her feelings, and now she’s been shut out. The OP knows that his feelings aren’t great, he’s talking to us, and you want to shut him out.

F he just wanted to know about how Princess compares to Disney for an Alaskan cruise, he did not need to bring all the parent drama into it.

What drama?
He’s giving us all relevant info. He’s talking. My gosh if only my ex had communicated and used all of his words like this...

Sorry, when someone resorts to bad language describing a gift from their parents for their 50th anniversary, they open the door to push back.

No, it actually doesn't.

And he also didn’t swear. He used a letter. That’s all. It’s up to us to fill in the word. I tend to use “flargh,” so that’s what I filled in. I can tell you filled in another word, and can’t get past that.

Maybe copy and paste the entirety into a document, take out the f, and reread it in a week. Maybe then you’ll see what he’s saying, after some time and no offensive letter?




(Edited because of typos I missed)

 

[cdoc29]

Bumbershoot, LOL sounds like you’ll never cruise with Disney again as Royal is equivalent (or better) in every way.

Also there is a whole thread for you in the forums under Royal Caribbean, enjoy.

 

[KashasMom]

Bumbershoot, LOL sounds like you’ll never cruise with Disney again as Royal is equivalent (or better) in every way.

Also there is a whole thread for you in the forums under Royal Caribbean, enjoy.

I don't think she was saying that at all. She was merely pointing out untruths about Royal Caribbean that were posted - possibly in order to make it look like Disney was better in those regards? If someone is posting something as fact it should be exactly that...or at least they should be able to back up their claims, shouldn't they? Maybe your "dismissal" of her wasn't meant to come off the way it did because she is certainly welcome to share her comments right here in the DCL forum.

 

[PrincessTrisha]

As someone who has been on the giving side of a cruise (I have "gifted" a cruise to a few people - my goddaughter and godson on different occasions), I have to say that if they had been ungrateful, they wouldn't have gone. In fact, I took my goddaughter on a couple of cruises (because she was grateful) but my godson on only 1 because he wasn't.

We're not talking about getting some ugly yellow sweater when you'd prefer something black that goes with your wardrobe. It's like getting a nice black cardigan but saying, "Oh, I want one that has costs twice was much but has a Mickey embroidered on the pocket."

 

[cdoc29]

I don't think she was saying that at all. She was merely pointing out untruths about Royal Caribbean that were posted - possibly in order to make it look like Disney was better in those regards? If someone is posting something as fact it should be exactly that...or at least they should be able to back up their claims, shouldn't they? Maybe your "dismissal" of her wasn't meant to come off the way it did because she is certainly welcome to share her comments right here in the DCL forum.

I am sorry but what I posted was my experience with Royal and Bumbershoot was throwing shade on it, there were no untruths that I told and my "dismissal" was exactly meant to come of the way it sounded as I too am also welcome to share my opinions

 

[mevelandry]

Not that we know of yet.
This fine is for behavior years ago, after



He’s asking for help from people who know a lot. He’s going to the experts. You’d be heartbroken that he’s having emotions and is asking for help with them?

I’d be happy if my son did that.



Agreed.



It’s a gift. A gift he’s not sure he’ll love. Just like a sweater that’s not to your taste.

One can be grateful AND have other thoughts. The human mind is amazing and can hold all sorts of thoughts, all at once, and mean/feel all of them at once.




It had to do with having the same food day after day, as the poster described. The recipients can be grateful for the food help AND wish for variety.



Having dined at Palo three times I’m very aware that there is specialty (upsell) dining on Disney.

Having been to the spa on Disney, I am very aware that there are extra opportunities to spend money beyond my high fare on Disney.

Literally the only thing Royal charges extra for that Disney doesn’t is soda and the delivery fee for non-breakfast room service.

It used to be that Disney ONLY had free ice cream so royal’s Ben and Jerry’s shops could go on that list, but then Disney got rid of the arcades (which my son and then-husband quite happily used) and put on a speciality, extra-cost, ice cream shop.

Since my son cant have the cruddy ice cream on either line (or soft serve), Ben and Jerry’s was a joy for him. The extra $40 for a week-long cruise wasn’t a hardship.





Those things are also on Royal, and are included.



Adding on the delivery fee for room service and a soda package would not bring my Royal per-day cruise fares up to my Disney fares.

And I don’t drink soda.



Definitely has not been my experience. Radiance, Freedom twice, Vision, and Adventure (which I think is the same class as Explorer) of the seas so far, and the service has been top notch and less cloying compared to Disney.



I can see that you don’t like even the thought of swearing. It’s obvious that it has bugged you a lot.



Thankfully, it’s not. As far as I can tell, his parents don’t even know of his disappointment. We know. We aren’t his parents. It’s taking no stage (let alone center) in regards to his parents anniversary.

(And of course an anniversary is a totally private event that some people choose to celebrate publicly (why, I have no idea). )

But still, he’s not talking to them. He is talking to us.



Some of us got that. Sorry others didn’t.



Nah. He’s continuing to communicate with us. He’s admitting faults, thanking some for their words, and wishing that others hadn’t been so harsh.



I don’t know what you’re reading in his response to us. Definitely not what I’m reading!




Except that he’s not telling his parents this. He is asking us. Your daughter trusted you enough to share her feelings, and now she’s been shut out. The OP knows that his feelings aren’t great, he’s talking to us, and you want to shut him out.




What drama?
He’s giving us all relevant info. He’s talking. My gosh if only my ex had communicated and used all of his words like this...



No, it actually doesn't.

And he also didn’t swear. He used a letter. That’s all. It’s up to us to fill in the word. I tend to use “flargh,” so that’s what I filled in. I can tell you filled in another word, and can’t get past that.

Maybe copy and paste the entirety into a document, take out the f, and reread it in a week. Maybe then you’ll see what he’s saying, after some time and no offensive letter?




(Edited because of typos I missed)

With all due respect, food/a good variety of food is a "need" while a cruise is a "luxury", which is why I find the comparison between the two a bit absurd and I honestly see no reason, nor am I interested to push this debate any further.

Look ... I've tried to be as nice as I could to OP. This seems like such a first world problem --and OP already knows it is (based on self-deprecating humor) --

Anyways ...I said my piece.

 

[Dug720]

With all due respect, food/a good variety of food is a "need" while a cruise is a "luxury", which is why I find the comparison between the two a bit absurd and I honestly see no reason, nor am I interested to push this debate any further.

Look ... I've tried to be as nice as I could to OP. This seems like such a first world problem --and OP already knows it is (based on self-deprecating humor) --

Anyways ...I said my piece.

Well, technically food is a need. A good variety is more a luxury. Sure we would all like variety, but if you are starving you would eat the same thing every time just to survive

But otherwise I agree.