Everything Is More Expensive

This isn't volume discounts. That is what medicare will pay. To subsidize the lower payment from medicare, hospitals are billing private insurance much more. I'm actually thinking about starting a position in United Healthcare given its big drop. I can see lobbyist killing off medicare for all given how much money is at stake.

This is what Medicare negotiated to pay based on the volume of business they do. Any hospital is free to refuse to take Medicare if they don't feel the compensation is adequate. But they don't
 
i supervised the administration of medicaid benefits for several years and although the program has in some cases improved it is NOTHING i would consider to be sufficient health care coverage. not everything is covered that we take for granted at least getting some form of payment on through traditional insurance. it also varies in coverage state to state and not all states provide even preventative screenings, routine or annual check ups. finding a doctor that will accept the pittance medicaid pays is also a tremendous challenge-specialists? i had clients who had to wait for months and months on wait lists to even then get a many months out appointment b/c providers had 'hit the cap' (the minimum number of patients they had to keep on their rolls to qualify to participate in the program-more and more providers were trying to get out of the program and younger providers weren't going near it). i

This proves exactly why I’d rather keep my private insurance and not let the government handle healthcare. Other than the military, the private sector always seems to operate much more efficiently and economically than the government. I’d much rather be able to make my own healthcare choices and decisions not have a government body dictate what doctor I can see or what procedures I can have.
 
t that hiding behind Medicaid is no defense. No amount of excuses can justify the reality low-income families face: "Economic inequality is increasingly linked to disparities in life expectancy across the income distribution, and these disparities seem to be growing over time. In the 1970s, a sixty-year-old man in the top half of the income distribution could expect to live 1.2 years longer than a man in the bottom half. By the turn of the century, he could expect to live 5.8 years longer."

And health insurance has very little to do with life expectancy. Smoking and drug abuse rates are higher among low income individuals as well as exercise rates which are lower. You could give everyone in the country the same exact income and some people would make good choices with their money and some would not. Habits and lifestyle decisions are much better factors that determine longevity than healthcare. We all know plenty of people who have great insurance who never have a colonoscopy or a mammogram. In a free country we can’t force people to stop smoking or get health screenings. The government can’t be everyone’s mommy and daddy and can’t control everyone’s choices in life
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.de...easons-the-rich-live-longer-than-the-poor.amp
 
This proves exactly why I’d rather keep my private insurance and not let the government handle healthcare. Other than the military, the private sector always seems to operate much more efficiently and economically than the government. I’d much rather be able to make my own healthcare choices and decisions not have a government body dictate what doctor I can see or what procedures I can have.

with the exception of what medicaid would/would not cover (which i don't see as any different than private insurance which has exclusions on coverage as well) the program didn't/doesn't today dictate what doctor can be seen-that bus is driven by the doctor/providers who choose if they will accept medicaid patients or not.

i don't know what the ideal solution is. my ppo is a pain to deal with and i believe purposely bounces the bulk of the claims hoping clients get fed up with the time consuming appeals process and end up paying out of pocket for valid covered services with valid contracted providers. it's insane trying to deal with facilities that are 'in network' only to find that whichever provider you were billed under either isn't or only is at a different location of the identical facility (something i'm dealing with right now). my state has recognized the issue with consumers being mistreated in regards to private insurance billing and coverage practices and the following explains what they are doing to address it (a step in the right direction to my way of thinking cuz i'm sick of being stuck in the middle of a p...... fight between my providers and the insurance company they contract with)-

Commissioner Mike Kreidler has proposed legislation that would prevent people from getting a surprise medical bill when they seek medical services from an in-network facility, but are treated by an out-of-network provider. If an insurer and provider cannot agree on a price for the covered services, they can go to binding arbitration but cannot bill the consumer for the amount in dispute.

His bill passed the House of Representatives on March 4 with a strong bipartisan vote of 84-13, passed the Senate on April 10 with a vote of 47-2. and was concurred on April 18 by the House on a 95-0 vote. Next, it travels to the governor's desk for his signature.



What is "surprise medical billing"?
Surprise billing occurs when you're treated for an emergency or scheduled procedure at an in-network hospital or surgery facility and are seen by an out-of-network provider. In addition to your expected out-of-pocket costs, you also get a bill for the difference between what your insurer has agreed to pay that provider and what they believe the service was worth.

Some types of providers, including anesthesiologists, radiologists, pathologists, and labs may not be contracted with your insurer even though they provide services at an in-network hospital or facility. This practice is also called “balance billing,” however, some balance billing is not a surprise. For example, if you're treated by a provider that you know is not in your plan's network, you shouldn't be surprised to receive a bill for their services, on top of what your plan covers.

 


This proves exactly why I’d rather keep my private insurance and not let the government handle healthcare. Other than the military, the private sector always seems to operate much more efficiently and economically than the government. I’d much rather be able to make my own healthcare choices and decisions not have a government body dictate what doctor I can see or what procedures I can have.

I agree that insurance companies are great at efficiently making sure that they are the economic winners in the insurance game. As @barkley's example below shows, insurance providers can make all kinds of decisions about which doctors you can see (if you want them to kick in any of the cost - they won't prevent you from paying any doctor you like out of pocket). They also decide which treatments are medically necessary, and don't cover treatments they consider experimental. There is huge bureaucracy in the system, without a lot of medical oversight of treatment decisions, and the overarching principal is that they want patients to pay in more than the company pays out (kinda like a casino). If the principal was to cover as many people as possible, with the best care, for the most reasonable overall cost, it would be a very different game.

Not saying a government run system would necessarily be perfect, and maybe it would be better to work within the existing framework of bureaucracy than to have it all be gov't run, but until procedures and prescriptions are charged at consistent, predictable rates across all types of consumers, health care costs will continue to be insane.

The "Surprise Billing" issue is exactly what I was getting at in an earlier post. I needed a routine surgery - something that the surgeon probably did on 10 different patients in a week, and I tried to find out what the cost was going to be, so that I could be sure that I had enough in my HSA to cover my deductible. I could find out what the surgeon would cost, but when I asked about other costs, his office couldn't help me. I asked the hospital, they could give me their fees, but couldn't tell me what other charges might be (anesthesiologist, medication, etc). I couldn't even get a list of all the people I would need to ask to get the fees, because no one had a list of all the possible people who would need to be involved. I finally gave up - waited until we'd had a bad year medically and were going to be over our deductible, then sucked it up at paid the 10% coinsurance that kicked in over my deductible (still below the out of pocket max for the year). This is NOT an efficient system.

with the exception of what medicaid would/would not cover (which i don't see as any different than private insurance which has exclusions on coverage as well) the program didn't/doesn't today dictate what doctor can be seen-that bus is driven by the doctor/providers who choose if they will accept medicaid patients or not.

i don't know what the ideal solution is. my ppo is a pain to deal with and i believe purposely bounces the bulk of the claims hoping clients get fed up with the time consuming appeals process and end up paying out of pocket for valid covered services with valid contracted providers. it's insane trying to deal with facilities that are 'in network' only to find that whichever provider you were billed under either isn't or only is at a different location of the identical facility (something i'm dealing with right now). my state has recognized the issue with consumers being mistreated in regards to private insurance billing and coverage practices and the following explains what they are doing to address it (a step in the right direction to my way of thinking cuz i'm sick of being stuck in the middle of a p...... fight between my providers and the insurance company they contract with)-

Commissioner Mike Kreidler has proposed legislation that would prevent people from getting a surprise medical bill when they seek medical services from an in-network facility, but are treated by an out-of-network provider. If an insurer and provider cannot agree on a price for the covered services, they can go to binding arbitration but cannot bill the consumer for the amount in dispute.

His bill passed the House of Representatives on March 4 with a strong bipartisan vote of 84-13, passed the Senate on April 10 with a vote of 47-2. and was concurred on April 18 by the House on a 95-0 vote. Next, it travels to the governor's desk for his signature.



What is "surprise medical billing"?
Surprise billing occurs when you're treated for an emergency or scheduled procedure at an in-network hospital or surgery facility and are seen by an out-of-network provider. In addition to your expected out-of-pocket costs, you also get a bill for the difference between what your insurer has agreed to pay that provider and what they believe the service was worth.

Some types of providers, including anesthesiologists, radiologists, pathologists, and labs may not be contracted with your insurer even though they provide services at an in-network hospital or facility. This practice is also called “balance billing,” however, some balance billing is not a surprise. For example, if you're treated by a provider that you know is not in your plan's network, you shouldn't be surprised to receive a bill for their services, on top of what your plan covers.
 
Holy Batman.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hat-s-left-for-star-wars-opening?srnd=premium

"Walt Disney Co.’s three hotels at Disneyland are selling out, with only $763-a-night rooms left for the May 31 opening day of the new Star Wars land.

In a first for Disney parks, the company is requiring reservations to enter Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge from opening day until June 23. Guests at the company’s hotels in Anaheim, California, will be guaranteed entry at a certain time. Disneyland.com will begin taking reservations for nonhotel guests at 10 a.m. Pacific time on May 2, the company said Monday.

Rooms that sleep up to five were available for $763 a night at the higher-end Grand Californian Hotel & Spa. No rooms were listed as available for opening day at the Disneyland Hotel or Paradise Pier Hotel. Spots at all three hotels were still available later that weekend for prices starting at $561."
 
Holy Batman.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hat-s-left-for-star-wars-opening?srnd=premium

"Walt Disney Co.’s three hotels at Disneyland are selling out, with only $763-a-night rooms left for the May 31 opening day of the new Star Wars land.

In a first for Disney parks, the company is requiring reservations to enter Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge from opening day until June 23. Guests at the company’s hotels in Anaheim, California, will be guaranteed entry at a certain time. Disneyland.com will begin taking reservations for nonhotel guests at 10 a.m. Pacific time on May 2, the company said Monday.

Rooms that sleep up to five were available for $763 a night at the higher-end Grand Californian Hotel & Spa. No rooms were listed as available for opening day at the Disneyland Hotel or Paradise Pier Hotel. Spots at all three hotels were still available later that weekend for prices starting at $561."

While I won’t be there anyway.
 



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