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[meggiebeth]

The idea of using metal detectors in schools to prevent tragedies like this isn’t going to fix the root of the problem. These shootings come about because of how easy guns are to access in the USA. Guns can be as easy to acquire for an eighteen year old as the household kitchen knife. When someone wants to cause harm, they will usually use a weapon that is easily accessible. In America, this is guns. On the contrary, in the UK, this is knives. The huge difference is that someone wishing to carry out a mass killing would, as constantly proven, be able to kill far, far, far more people with a gun than with a knife. No one is saying that restricting access to guns would completely eliminate gun crime, but you simply cannot argue that it wouldn’t reduce drastically the occurrence of awful tragedies like this. Does it not seem strange that other developed Western countries tend to have strict gun control and far, far fewer homicides and gun crime? America is very much on its own in this position sadly relative to these countries.

 

[okeydokey]

Yeah, here’s the car argument..right on schedule.

If you want to make that comparison, let’s do this...licence and registration to own a gun (just like a car), pass a test to own a gun (just like a car), loss of licence if proven you are unsafe (just like a car), registry of all gun owners (just like cars).

Great idea!!

Totally agree. Insurance to own a gun as well. Well regulated.

More security at school doesn’t stop mass shootings at malls, churches, stores, post offices and other work places. There is a mass shooting every day in America. This problem goes way beyond schools.

 

[mjkacmom]

We need mental health as well as other solutions that are cut from budgets. [/QUOT

ONE death as a result of tonnes of school shootings is too much

Then take the guns away. How many school shooting happen every year in Canada? The UK? Switzerland? How much money has already been spent by school districts to lock down the schools, buzzers and cameras, move entrances - in spite of the fact that the majority of shooters are inside the schools!? So much safer, right?

I’m curious about the highest level of educational attainment from those who want to cut educational funding in order to provide metal detectors and rent a cops in our schools vs. those who don’t want to cut funding for education to prevent a one in a million chance if a school shooting.

 

[kinntj]

Yeah, here’s the car argument..right on schedule.

If you want to make that comparison, let’s do this...licence and registration to own a gun (just like a car), pass a test to own a gun (just like a car), loss of licence if proven you are unsafe (just like a car), registry of all gun owners (just like cars).

Great idea!!

Gun is a right, not driving a car. Sorry.

 

[Domo]

Then take the guns away. How many school shooting happen every year in Canada? The UK? Switzerland? How much money has already been spent by school districts to lock down the schools, buzzers and cameras, move entrances - in spite of the fact that the majority of shooters are inside the schools!? So much safer, right?

I’m curious about the highest level of educational attainment from those who want to cut educational funding in order to provide metal detectors and rent a cops in our schools vs. those who don’t want to cut funding for education to prevent a one in a million chance if a school shooting.

If you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Gun is a right, not driving a car. Sorry.

So change that.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yeah, here’s the car argument..right on schedule.

If you want to make that comparison, let’s do this...licence and registration to own a gun (just like a car), pass a test to own a gun (just like a car), loss of licence if proven you are unsafe (just like a car), registry of all gun owners (just like cars).

Great idea!!

The poster wasn't arguing that point and you know it. Right on schedule as you say someone trys to compare the two in that exact way. They aren't the same thing. They were however saying that deaths occur at a higher rate from car accidents.

Metal detectors are expensive (for example back in 2016 the local NFL team purchased 93 metal detectors at the cost of more than $500K and that's just for 1 stadium to use, then in August of 2017 one of the largest colleges in the state purchased 63 metal detectors at the cost of more than $400K) and highly unfeasible to implement in the thousands and thousands of schools especially given how some schools are designed which means detectors would need to be manned and installed at each door, cutting educational programs, which have already been woefully cut in recent years plus all the other cuts that would have to occur in order to pay for this. It would all have to be federal dollars not state or city or school district funds.

Whatever 'solutions' that people come up with they do need to have some sort of practicality and feasibility attached to them otherwise they will likely fall on deaf ears.

 

[Domo]

As far as I can see, cars are designed to save and protect lives while serving an overriding innocent purpose. Guns are designed to kill and maim people.

 

[luvsJack]

Then take the guns away. How many school shooting happen every year in Canada? The UK? Switzerland? How much money has already been spent by school districts to lock down the schools, buzzers and cameras, move entrances - in spite of the fact that the majority of shooters are inside the schools!? So much safer, right?

I’m curious about the highest level of educational attainment from those who want to cut educational funding in order to provide metal detectors and rent a cops in our schools vs. those who don’t want to cut funding for education to prevent a one in a million chance if a school shooting.

No one ever said cut school funding. School funding comes from several different areas. There is money from the district, money from the state and federal money. They don't have to take it from the classroom money. I can tell you that in this area, almost every school has a least 2 office personnel that could be cut to pay for one police officer (NOT security guards, NOT "rent a cops". Campus police OFFICERS).

Money can come from the top. But somebody somewhere has to come up with a way to fund making schools safer.

Personally, I have a BS degree but I am not sure what you are getting at.



Get rid of the guns. Ok. Guess what? This kid today had bombs planted in the school and in the community. How is no guns going to fix that?

 

[longboard55]

does anyone realize how many schools we have in this country, metal detector screening would be a huge expense, and what would it solve, you could still sit in the parking lot and shoot, or at your local church or mall or movie theater

Canada has very reasonable gun laws that make sense and a lot less problems, what is wrong with that

 

[luvsJack]

The poster wasn't arguing that point and you know it. Right on schedule as you say someone trys to compare the two in that exact way. They aren't the same thing. They were however saying that deaths occur at a higher rate from car accidents.

Metal detectors are expensive (for example back in 2016 the local NFL team purchased 93 metal detectors at the cost of more than $500K and that's just for 1 stadium to use, then in August of 2017 one of the largest colleges in the state purchased 63 metal detectors at the cost of more than $400K) and highly unfeasible to implement in the thousands and thousands of schools especially given how some schools are designed which means detectors would need to be manned and installed at each door, cutting educational programs, which have already been woefully cut in recent years plus all the other cuts that would have to occur in order to pay for this. It would all have to be federal dollars not state or city or school district funds.

Whatever 'solutions' that people come up with they do need to have some sort of practicality and feasibility attached to them otherwise they will likely fall on deaf ears.

And until we make our kids lives important enough to come up with that money, its going to continue. Really sad that we do not value them more.

 

[Domo]

How is no guns going to fix that?

I guess you could argue, how are having guns going to stop people using cluster bombs?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And until we make our kids lives important enough to come up with that money, its going to continue. Really sad that we do not value them more.

You know as well as I do it has nothing to do with not valuing someone's life.

 

[longboard55]

Gun is a right, not driving a car. Sorry.

In the 60s we had a lot of driving fatalities. SO we went to work, safer cars with seat belts and air bags, no more passengers in the back of pickups, drivers training and restrictions on teen driving, stronger drunk driving laws.

So the result, if you look at the deaths per 100,000 miles statistic, its down something like 80%, so we saved 4 out of 5 deaths. And what right did we give up, how about none.

Lets get smarter people

 

[luvsJack]

You know as well as I do it has nothing to do with not valuing someone's life.

Yes it is. If we put other things above making them safe how are we valuing their lives?

 

[mjkacmom]

No one ever said cut school funding. School funding comes from several different areas. There is money from the district, money from the state and federal money. They don't have to take it from the classroom money. I can tell you that in this area, almost every school has a least 2 office personnel that could be cut to pay for one police officer (NOT security guards, NOT "rent a cops". Campus police OFFICERS).

Money can come from the top. But somebody somewhere has to come up with a way to fund making schools safer.

Personally, I have a BS degree but I am not sure what you are getting at.



Get rid of the guns. Ok. Guess what? This kid today had bombs planted in the school and in the community. How is no guns going to fix that?

Federal money has already been cut from schools. Money has to come from somewhere, you can’t just print it. There is a finite amount of money in the budget, adding more to one budget decreases another. People are leaving my state because they can’t afford to live here anymore, school funding has been cut. Guns are obviously the problem (unless Americans are genetically more prone to mental health issues). Solutions must be practical, not based on emotion.

 

[mjkacmom]

Yes it is. If we put other things above making them safe how are we valuing their lives?

Their lives are statistically not at risk.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes it is. If we put other things above making them safe how are we valuing their lives?

No it isn't. It's about feasibility. You really haven't done any of the back legwork have you?

In my school district alone there are 48 schools plus a new middle school about to open. That doesn't include the alternative school. The neighboring school district has 48 schools plus 6 instructional centers. The other neighboring school district has 35 schools. A grand total of around 139 schools.

Those numbers reflect 3 just 3 school districts in 1 county. There are 3 other school districts in the county.

1 county out of several thousand counties in the U.S.

 

[longboard55]

If one of the gun states wants to put in metal detector check points at every school, no one is stopping them. Go ahead and show us what a good idea it is. Many states have put in safer gun laws that are working

 

[monsterkitty]

Then take the guns away. How many school shooting happen every year in Canada? The UK? Switzerland? How much money has already been spent by school districts to lock down the schools, buzzers and cameras, move entrances - in spite of the fact that the majority of shooters are inside the schools!? So much safer, right?

I’m curious about the highest level of educational attainment from those who want to cut educational funding in order to provide metal detectors and rent a cops in our schools vs. those who don’t want to cut funding for education to prevent a one in a million chance if a school shooting.

Yup, so much safer.

How about when we, as teachers, report a student who perhaps is a danger to themselves or others, somethings done about it. We have a student in our building who has threatened teachers and other students, but because of his disability we can do nothing about it. Sure we can - find an alternative setting for him.

How about we listen to the kids. Better yet, teach them that if they hear something, say something. Saying something to a teacher about a possible fight or dangerous situation isn't snitching. Unfortunately we have to change this mindset of parents, not just the kids.

Let's look at what other countries are doing, other than the lack of ability to get weapons. Smaller schools, more activities, more sense of belonging.

How about parent involvement. While kids are amazing at hiding things, parents do need to know what's going on in their kids' lives.

If your child is an issue, do something. Don't make excuses. Don't push blame away from where it really belongs. Teach your child to take responsibility.

Give the schools the resources they need.