P & P Party Rant.

[MissyDVC]

I will have to kindly disagree on this one, at Epcot closes at 9, yet the fireworks don't go off until 9, so you would have to be out of the park by that time going on this theory. Just the same as Fantasmic goes off at the closing time of MGM (if running two shows then yes, one is earlier while still open).

This is reaching a bit....in order for it to fit this situation. The OP stated that they were told several times to leave and yet continued with what THEY had on their agenda.


I actually was in the MK that day and just like the OP there were not hardly any signs, in fact I believe I only saw one with dates and times. At halloween and christmas it is posted all over the place that the park is closing.

The point is the you DID notice the signs. And again, it doesn't matter in this situation because the OP DID know about the party.

I will also now join and say that if park goers cannot shop on main st after 7 on their way out then party payers should not be allowed in at 4. I also think it should be told you are allowed in at 4, I never knew until finding this board and always waiting until the entry time of 7 to go in, obviously paying more for less.

What does one have to do with the other???? If you know you have to be out by 7, plan accordingly.

I will now email disney my thoughts on this. And yep, 10% of wrong doers mess it up for everyone else. And I don't personally feel the OP was wrong.

Personally, I feel the OP is wrong in complaining about a CM when they knew what they were doing was wrong.

 

[mking624]

Still trying to fight a battle that can't be won, eh?

So let me get this straight from all of the folks that think the OP has committed a great offense:
1. He knew park was closing at 7 (does not know about hard ticket event at this time, unless your calling him a liar) but is allowed to enter Buzz Lightyear at 6:58. How terrible to enter a ride prior to closing!

No one was upset by that. The park wasn't officially closed at that point and the CM said it was ok.

2. He and his family purchase an ice cream and pastry and sit and enjoy it - it is obviously after 7:00 and probably close to 7:10 when entering the bakery and let's say 7:30 when they finish eating their purchase. The CM allows purchase and no CM come up to them at this time to tell them to leave.

By this point, the OP knew he was supposed to be leaving. Instead, they sat down to enjoy their treat. It wasn't a purchase on the way out, it was a purchase and "let's stay longer to enjoy this."

They then go to enter a store to purchase a post card but are told about the hard ticket event and the need for bracelets by 1 CM. How terrible, they have not listened to this CM when other CM's allowed a purchase (bakery). Now for those of you who state vigorously that he was in the wrong for not following the rules, have you ever been told incorrect information by a CM and ignored it because you knew the CM must be wrong - be it for codes when making a resv., how the dining plan works, drink re-fills, pool-hopping (note, I'm not saying that this is ok but we all know of stories where people have posted that a CM says it's ok).

The park closed at 7pm. The CM could have given all the wrong information in the world but the OP knew for a fact that the park closed at 7pm. From what we know, 1 CM told him he couldn't shop without a wristband...but he ignored it anyway. There's a difference between giving out wrong information...and adhering to rules. Even you just stated that you are not okaying certain things (i.e. your drink refills and pool hopping examples). But now all of a sudden you're okaying rule breaking? After all, you have stated more than once the OP was not wrong. That said, the OP WAS told he could make one final purchase. But he took it further than that. Classic example of being given an inch and taking a mile.

4. The OP on his way out of the park sees a store where there is no one posted checking for bracelets. Shame on him for not knowing that this wasn't an acceptable place to shop, shame on him for just entering & trying to make a purchase.

Yes, shame on him. By this point he KNEW he was supposed to leave and he KNEW he wasn't supposed to continue shopping. And yet he did it anyway. Would you tolerate that behavior from your child if your child disobeyed your rules?

5. A CM takes an order for hats without checking for a bracelet. Shame on the OP for trying to make another purchase when he now thinks it's ok.

The OP knew what he was doing was wrong being that he fully admitted that he was already told he wasn't supposed to be doing this.

6. When he finds out that he shouldn't be in the store the OP leaves it & waits for his wife - shame, shame, shame - he should have immediately left the park hoping that he might find his wife outside the gates. Or maybe his wife should have left the store without paying for the hats that a CM was getting.

They shouldn't have been in that store in the first place. Perhaps had they actually done what they were supposed to, none of this would have happened.

7. The OP is now scolded (I tend to take people at their word unless they prove that I shouldn't), waits for his wife and escorted out of the park feeling like they have committed a crime.

We don't know if the CM scolded them or if he's exaggerating (being that he's already changed his story on us). Escorting a person out of the park that shouldn't be there is not unacceptable. The CM was doing her job. If they had no problem being there 45 minutes into the party, what was to stop them from staying even longer? Especially considering one event was goingm to start in 15 minutes.

8. The timeline he originally presents makes sense, as does the revised timeline - he's working from memory over a minor incident. I'm sure that he didn't record the times to verify a complaint that was yet to happen.

How can both make sense? You can't be in a store and be at the monorail at the exact same time.

Lighten up folks and you will enjoy Disney a whole lot more.

A lot of us are "lightened up" and have even been joking around. Care to join any time soon?

 

[mking624]

This illustrates my point. I think I follow all the rules at WDW and encourage others to do the same. I am entitled to nothing special and the OP should not have stretched his welcome.

My point, though, is....this is what we are concerned about? This happening in the future?? I just do not see myself all that concerned if in two weeks when I am at P & P that someone (or even a hundred people) dawdle on their way out. I don't see how that is going to steam me up (now, if they are taking great spots for the parade, that may be something different). Getting self-righteous about rules (which folks are certainly entitled to do) -- only leads to anger about something which you have no control over. I am almost tempted to get in the front of every character greeting line and say loudly, "What's with all the wristbands?"

Follow the rules, have a great time, and don't let the rule stretchers ruin your time.

I didn't say it was THE reason, I said it was one of the reasons.

 

[88Keys]

I didn't say it was THE reason, I said it was one of the reasons.

Excellent -- now if we can just do something about people driving their strollers all crazy-like....

 

[mking624]

Excellent -- now if we can just do something about people driving their strollers all crazy-like....

Hand them a refillable mug, give them some heeleys to quickly get to places and fill the mug and call it a day....

 

[rie'smom]

Disney is inconsistent in a lot of things and thus I lay this at the house of mouse. If they were consistent,this type of thing wouldn't become a problem.
I don't think it's very nice of people to call the OP a liar.

 

[jessica52877]

I don't understand why people feel the OP was 'wrong'. The park closes every night, and every night, people stroll through the park after it has closed and are not out of the park at the posted closing time. Disney, in the training of their ride CM, showed that it was perfectly acceptable for the guest to be in the park entering a ride at 6:58. So obviously, you are not supposed to have exited the park by 7:00 pm even though those that have purchased the P&P ticket seem to feel an entitlement to the park at that exact time. Disney will allow people into the parks for an hour to make a purchase and does so without having a CM hover over the guest. Lighten up folks, the OP wasn't in the wrong, just doing what we do everyday but doing so at a time when the regular rules weren't in place.

Wow! So right! I can't believe how this post is going. I am amazed at how a community of people can "in my opinion only" go on and on. This whole thread has TOTALLY given me disgust for these parties and honestly a different opinion on the boards. I thought of this as a community of friends. We have ALWAYS attended in the past and the ONLY reason we didn't this time was because I don't see much of a point to it anymore, nothing is really that "special" to me!

And I believe having Mickey ears personalized takes a bit of time!

 

[calgarygary]

Still trying to fight a battle that can't be won, eh?


No one was upset by that. The park wasn't officially closed at that point and the CM said it was ok.


By this point, the OP knew he was supposed to be leaving. Instead, they sat down to enjoy their treat. It wasn't a purchase on the way out, it was a purchase and "let's stay longer to enjoy this."


The park closed at 7pm. The CM could have given all the wrong information in the world but the OP knew for a fact that the park closed at 7pm. From what we know, 1 CM told him he couldn't shop without a wristband...but he ignored it anyway. There's a difference between giving out wrong information...and adhering to rules. Even you just stated that you are not okaying certain things (i.e. your drink refills and pool hopping examples). But now all of a sudden you're okaying rule breaking? After all, you have stated more than once the OP was not wrong. That said, the OP WAS told he could make one final purchase. But he took it further than that. Classic example of being given an inch and taking a mile.


Yes, shame on him. By this point he KNEW he was supposed to leave and he KNEW he wasn't supposed to continue shopping. And yet he did it anyway. Would you tolerate that behavior from your child if your child disobeyed your rules?


The OP knew what he was doing was wrong being that he fully admitted that he was already told he wasn't supposed to be doing this.


They shouldn't have been in that store in the first place. Perhaps had they actually done what they were supposed to, none of this would have happened.


We don't know if the CM scolded them or if he's exaggerating (being that he's already changed his story on us). Escorting a person out of the park that shouldn't be there is not unacceptable. The CM was doing her job. If they had no problem being there 45 minutes into the party, what was to stop them from staying even longer? Especially considering one event was goingm to start in 15 minutes.


How can both make sense? You can't be in a store and be at the monorail at the exact same time.


A lot of us are "lightened up" and have even been joking around. Care to join any time soon?

Ah Mary, maybe I missed something but where does the OP say that he knew prior to purchasing the ice cream & pastry that this was a different close from any other. So it was not wrong to make the purchase and to consume the product, especially as a CM allowed it. Skipping down to the timeline where I said that it makes perfect sense - all I'm saying is the OP did not witness a violent crime or accident where you would check your watch and record the timeline. Being off by 10 minutes or so is in my mind perfectly reasonable. As far as his knowingly breaking the rules, he saw and got mixed messages from CM's and chose the message that was most agreeable. Maybe that was wrong but many members of the Dis and general public do that on a regular basis. CM's told guests in previous years that sharing of credits was perfectly acceptable and CM's encouraged it to boost their gratuities (18% on an adult meal is a greater amt. then 18% on a child's meal). Ever try to make a reservation on a package that a CM is not familiar with? That does not make him in the wrong and I stand by my support that he should not have been scolded or escorted out. As other posters have stated, assuming the OP's accuracy of the CM, it could have been handled better.

 

[mking624]

Disney is inconsistent in a lot of things and thus I lay this at the house of mouse. If they were consistent,this type of thing wouldn't become a problem.
I don't think it's very nice of people to call the OP a liar.

Why is it ok to point out Disney's inconsistencies but not the inconsistencies of the OP's story? Unless I missed it, no one here called the OP a liar, but they did point out the inconsistency of his story.

 

[mking624]

Ah Mary, maybe I missed something but where does the OP say that he knew prior to purchasing the ice cream & pastry that this was a different close from any other.

Other people on this thread who were there that same night have also mentioned that signage was all over the place and announcements were made for closing. This is not so on a typical night, a big indication this wasn't a normal closing. But even if it's true that they didn't notice any of that (which, having been to a hard ticket event myself, is nearly impossible to miss), the OP has stated he's been to hard ticket events before...so the OP would have known how closings are handled.

So it was not wrong to make the purchase and to consume the product, especially as a CM allowed it.

Apparently CMs were allowing one final purchase. That may have been their final purchase, especially considering the bakery is one of the first places you pass up on the way out.

Skipping down to the timeline where I said that it makes perfect sense - all I'm saying is the OP did not witness a violent crime or accident where you would check your watch and record the timeline. Being off by 10 minutes or so is in my mind perfectly reasonable.

I get what you're trying to say. But he seemed to be very specific (i.e. 6:58pm). Someone who is guessing at a time usually isn't that specific. But that's a moot point...the point is that it was past 7pm and the OP was aware of that.

As far as his knowingly breaking the rules, he saw and got mixed messages from CM's and chose the message that was most agreeable. Maybe that was wrong but many members of the Dis and general public do that on a regular basis.

Doing it on a regular basis doesn't make the action right. But also remember you're using the word "regular"...this was not a regular night. Hence you're not going to be able to experience things as you normally would.

CM's told guests in previous years that sharing of credits was perfectly acceptable and CM's encouraged it to boost their gratuities (18% on an adult meal is a greater amt. then 18% on a child's meal). Ever try to make a reservation on a package that a CM is not familiar with? That does not make him in the wrong and I stand by my support that he should not have been scolded or escorted out. As other posters have stated, assuming the OP's accuracy of the CM, it could have been handled better.

We can't comment on how the CM could have handled it better, we weren't there and we aren't hearing her side of the story. So I'm not going to judge her by saying she should have done a better job if there is a possibility that she did a fine job. That said, any CM has every right to escort anyone out who does not belong in the park. It's private property...you even said so yourself. And you even said they needed paid admission to gain entry. By 7pm and after, they no longer had paid admission.

It will just have to be taken as a hard lesson learned.

 

[rie'smom]

Why is it ok to point out Disney's inconsistencies but not the inconsistencies of the OP's story? Unless I missed it, no one here called the OP a liar, but they did point out the inconsistency of his story.

"Why would I believe him" is darn close to calling someone a liar and thanks for admitting that Disney is inconsistent!

 

[mking624]

"Why would I believe him" is darn close to calling someone a liar and thanks for admitting that Disney is inconsistent!

I didn't say "Disney is inconsistent"...you said they were inconsistent and I asked you why it was ok to point out their inconsistencies. That's not the same as saying "they're inconsistent" but as everything else with this thread, take it for what it's worth.

 

[labattblue]

Why is it ok to point out Disney's inconsistencies but not the inconsistencies of the OP's story? Unless I missed it, no one here called the OP a liar, but they did point out the inconsistency of his story.

You get the tar, I'll bring the feathers and somebody please call the tribunal together. The OP must pay for his wrong doings!

 

[nativetxn]

I believe that this topic has run it's course. Have a great day everyone, I'm going to close this now.

Katholyn