Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.Just curious- for those who refer to greed... where does profit stop and greed begin?
In my eyes currently Disney keeps pushing because people keep paying. Once that slows or stops than Disney will slow or stop.Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
I'm still skeptical about all of this. Think of what most of you are saying you think is likely - that Disney is creating a new system that makes if very likely that after you pay for park admission, you're pretty much guaranteed to have a lousy difficult time unless you fork out an obscene add'l amount of money. Club Level, After Parties, etc. Those things cater to those who can pay extra but have negligible effects on the vast majority of guests. Pretty much every proposal here will have a MAJOR negative impact on a majority of guests (unless you're assuming those majority of guests will pay what is likely to amount to double the cost of the up front admission just to get on as many rides as they were able to get on before).
People also find value in different things. The thing that really confirmed this to me was Tony's Most Merriest. I never thought in a million years a $99 per person (adult/child) up-charge for a ticketed event that already started at $95 per person would almost sell out every night basically for a parade view. Based on the numbers in the MVMCP thread, people were guessing around 300 spots a night? $30,000 additional per night coming in from the lowest rated MK TS really shocked me.
At this point, I don't think I can be really be surprised by any Disney price increase.
Just curious- for those who refer to greed... where does profit stop and greed begin?
To me, more than pricing though is the service and cleanliness of the parks, etc - I think people understand prices go up but harder to take if you fee the quality is going down
You are wrong. Disney has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders to get the most out if their products. The consumer is 100% to blame for this. People line up to buy every one of these add on services, they jack up the price, no effect. Until consumers push back they will, and really should, keep raising prices. Really wish I bought some stock years ago so I would be on the receiving end.Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
But if the crowds (and hence lines) are what everyone is complaining about... how else is Disney supposed to limit that? They have worked on spreading out the crowds, and have had some success with that. One of the key things was Pandora, and it worked at getting some of us back into AK, and having an actual E attraction that functions as intended in AK definitely pulled crowds that direction. Then people complained about the wait times for Pandora and that there wasn't anything new to balance it out... now we have GE, Tron, GG, and MMRR all coming. We have revamping of EPCOT, etc... So, more people want in. And, Disney is shelling out big bucks to add in new things. What else is it supposed to do rather than raise rates on things?
I agree with the quality concern, but that too means they need to raise more revenue because the jobs market is so tight. They keep offering more hotels which means more jobs, but they will have to pay more to fill those positions and keep them filled. The crowds impact the quality as well, so we are back to decreasing crowds while maintaining the business... what does everyone believe they should do? That's an actual question not a rhetorical one.
Now all they have to do is roll back the all access pricing.Feels like the more options that are discussed - paying for a specific FP, the more popular a ride is the more expensive they make it for that ride, etc - the closer we are to getting back to the A-E Ticket Book model
The over riding theme....... more for less.I'm still reeling over the inability to edit photos or add borders, etc...........
this is just making me spin out of control........................
When quality suffers. When quality suffers, they company may get short term profits, but long term negative consequences often result.Just curious- for those who refer to greed... where does profit stop and greed begin?
But if the crowds (and hence lines) are what everyone is complaining about... how else is Disney supposed to limit that? They have worked on spreading out the crowds, and have had some success with that. One of the key things was Pandora, and it worked at getting some of us back into AK, and having an actual E attraction that functions as intended in AK definitely pulled crowds that direction. Then people complained about the wait times for Pandora and that there wasn't anything new to balance it out... now we have GE, Tron, GG, and MMRR all coming. We have revamping of EPCOT, etc... So, more people want in. And, Disney is shelling out big bucks to add in new things. What else is it supposed to do rather than raise rates on things?
I agree with the quality concern, but that too means they need to raise more revenue because the jobs market is so tight. They keep offering more hotels which means more jobs, but they will have to pay more to fill those positions and keep them filled. The crowds impact the quality as well, so we are back to decreasing crowds while maintaining the business... what does everyone believe they should do? That's an actual question not a rhetorical one.
In my eyes currently Disney keeps pushing because people keep paying. Once that slows or stops than Disney will slow or stop.
Maybe this is precisely why Disney just added the daily CC holds!I can see some people getting themselves into credit card trouble with this.
But if the crowds (and hence lines) are what everyone is complaining about... how else is Disney supposed to limit that? They have worked on spreading out the crowds, and have had some success with that. One of the key things was Pandora, and it worked at getting some of us back into AK, and having an actual E attraction that functions as intended in AK definitely pulled crowds that direction. Then people complained about the wait times for Pandora and that there wasn't anything new to balance it out... now we have GE, Tron, GG, and MMRR all coming. We have revamping of EPCOT, etc... So, more people want in. And, Disney is shelling out big bucks to add in new things. What else is it supposed to do rather than raise rates on things?
I agree with the quality concern, but that too means they need to raise more revenue because the jobs market is so tight. They keep offering more hotels which means more jobs, but they will have to pay more to fill those positions and keep them filled. The crowds impact the quality as well, so we are back to decreasing crowds while maintaining the business... what does everyone believe they should do? That's an actual question not a rhetorical one.
It depends on whether they are looking at “a piece of the picture” or “the bigger picture”. Sometimes, “tunnel vision” isn’t good in the long run. Your opinion, my opinion......neither is wrong.You are wrong. Disney has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders to get the most out if their products. The consumer is 100% to blame for this. People line up to buy every one of these add on services, they jack up the price, no effect. Until consumers push back they will, and really should, keep raising prices. Really wish I bought some stock years ago so I would be on the receiving end.
Obviously when it is a public corporation the line is a bit different than if it was an individual ... Disney’s first priority is their shareholders so they will do what they can to maximize shareholder value
My concern is that, rather than saying profit vs greed, is that they are too focused on short term results, propping up the next quarter’s earnings, etc rather than long term sustainablity of the brand
Yes they can keep adding these things on and make more money over the next few years - but if you erode the base experience too much then people don’t come back from their “once in a lifetime trip” with as positive things to say to their neighbors or if it is out there that “Disney is being greedy” are people as likely to buy that toy or go to the maivie if they don’t think as positively about the company
I think we are still far away from that - but when the next recession hits it is the hard core fans that keep the parks propped up ... and if you start alienating them, will they return in the numbers needed?
To me, more than pricing though is the service and cleanliness of the parks, etc - I think people understand prices go up but harder to take if you fee the quality is going down
That really is a critical issue. And likely by design. And while the things they are adding are great, they need to focus on things with more capacity to eat people. The Main Street theater was SUCH a smart addition to that park. It would eat thousands of people all day long, while not overwhelming the park with new bodies scheduling trips just to see that. And what do they do? They cancel it. I would actually say they should have kept the theater and ditched the Tron coaster if it came down to that. Disney has a capacity problem. But instead of addressing it, they see it as a diamond mine of upsell possibilities. It's so disappointing.The main issue there, to me at least, is that park capacity has not grown with attendance (in many places it has actually gone down). Crowds wouldn’t have become an issue if they had kept up with the growth. Now they’re playing catch up but still in many of those cases are not adding net new things. When you replace a high capacity attraction with a lower capacity attraction you are only making the problem worse.