Marionnette
Children see magic because they look for it
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- Sep 26, 2009
Right? What the??? Why? Who?? How come? I could have done better!!!
It's important to note that many can't claim the same. Wages for employees - particularly in the public sector - have stagnated: many in my family haven't even seen a miniscule 1-2% cost of living increase in years - their wages were frozen- as the cost of everything skyrockets.I also have a lot more assets and income than I did 20 years ago.
Same....and I'll admit, nostalgia for "what was" makes me a little sad in all of this, but I have lost interest in a currently visiting,and I fear it may be permanent. I disliked a lot of the FP+ and app nonsense that overly complicated a vacation, and what I see happening now (online reports) is making me even more sad that I don't think the younger gen. of our family will get to experience what we did,what we wanted to share with them,but now thinking it's just not going to happen.I agree. It has become way too complicated to plan a trip and the Covid issues have increased that 10 fold. I'm losing interest and I used to really enjoy planning our trips. Not anymore.
Right. Too much reliance on your phone. I don't need to be looking at my phone all day.Same....and I'll admit, nostalgia for "what was" makes me a little sad in all of this, but I have lost interest in a currently visiting,and I fear it may be permanent. I disliked a lot of the FP+ and app nonsense that overly complicated a vacation, and what I see happening now (online reports) is making me even more sad that I don't think the younger gen. of our family will get to experience what we did,what we wanted to share with them,but now thinking it's just not going to happen.
The cost is one aspect,for sure. Our fam actually HAS the $$ to spend there, but we just don't want to waste it. And as the years have passed,and the experiences that we used to have just by holding a ticket and entering the park have dwindled to a mere fraction of what they used to be- all of this is contributing to what I'm sad about. I'm sad b/c we now feel a nostalgic pull toward something that no longer exists,and no, we have no plans to return.
So no, we're not willing to waste our money or time on a subpar experience based on nostalgia. There are far too many vacations to be taken to waste time here at the moment. I'm still very interested in what's going on at WDW,as I guess I'm always hoping for better....
It's important to note that many can't claim the same. Wages for employees - particularly in the public sector - have stagnated: many in my family haven't even seen a miniscule 1-2% cost of living increase in years - their wages were frozen- as the cost of everything skyrockets.
Not saying that WDW is a right - it's a luxury. But far too many families work very hard, yet are still priced out of everything these days - from sporting events and concerts to theme parks to even dining out - unless they want to rack up the credit card debt - which many do. It's sad.
Yeahhhhhh.....I can't agree with this 'logic'.... The cost of a WDW vacation is approximately 10x or more the price from 20 years ago,and we all know nothing else compares in terms of inflation over time..... Now I do agree with one thing,I'm at a point in my life where I truly don't mind paying more for better (food,experiences,clothes etc ) I have more $ than when I was younger. But I will not fall into the trap of paying SO. MUCH. MORE. for SO.MUCH.LESS. right now.so the snap back reaction from everyone for any change is usually negative. People love additions without subtraction. But replacing something or dropping it is always looked at as a negative. Not just this- but most things in life.
But things change. Inflation changes as well. We have been going to WDW for 20 years. In those 20 years the value of my home has over doubled. The cost of my similar cars has doubled. I also have a lot more assets and income than I did 20 years ago.
Look no further than who the largest shareholders are and the fact that compensation for the ones at the top are all based on share price and revenue generation.I often wonder what Walt would have felt about all of these experiences that cost families so much $$$. The after hours parties for the holidays alone could cost a family of 4 $1000 Christmas week on top of their park admission! Wasn't he all about NOT "nickel and diming" his guests? How did they go this far off the rails?
Back in Walt's day, most families had 3 or 4 children think about how much it will now cost for a Disney vacation for a family of 6!The post about us being"yield" really struck me. Great post! Think about this - how many companies now call their customers "guests?" I hear it all the time at fast food, restaurants, retail, etc. Guess who started that term? Walt. Walt. Walt. Be Our Guest was the theme song for the first vacation planning video (or at least the first one I saw in the early 90's). The Disney Difference has always been the way guests were considered something special. Not a "yield." I'm a diehard - been going since the 70's. Go about twice a year now. I see a huge difference in the whole "guest" feel with all the money grabbing and cut backs. I am usually a party of one or two when I go nowadays and I can afford the trips. But if I had 4 or 5 kids, I just don't see how I could do it unless it was every 3-5 years maybe. I think Walt is turning over in his grave. I understand times are different and Disney is a business, I do... but I think they've gone a bit too far here.... yet - I'll still go. But I'm just me. A party of one.
How many american families have 4,5, or 6 kids these days? When I look around my peers (mid 30s), its one kid, or DINK. High income earners, now working remotely saving more money than ever. They also value spending money on experiences. The people I know in lower income tiers were nevee going to Disney anyway, it was never a priority for their family.Back in Walt's day, most families had 3 or 4 children think about how much it will now cost for a Disney vacation for a family of 6!
Is that fixture going to be permanently in the middle of the lagoon? If so, it is very ugly and unsightly.
How many american families have 4,5, or 6 kids these days? When I look around my peers (mid 30s), its one kid, or DINK. High income earners, now working remotely saving more money than ever. They also value spending money on experiences. The people I know in lower income tiers were nevee going to Disney anyway, it was never a priority for their family.
This may be a small perspective and skewed based on what I see only. But I think Disney has the data to know exactly what theyre doing, know the people are willing to pay for it, and they wont suffer pricing out the small segment who wont.
I am one of those American families. We have saved and gone to only WDW for our vacations since 1996 every single year. When we lived in Georgia we would go more than once a year as we could drive there easily. I saved and bought DVC 2 years ago. I have supported Disney not only in visiting but in buying their merchandise every single year. I will not pay for fast passes, I am considering selling my DVC , as the reduction in benefits for staying onsite is weakening the value of DVC.How many american families have 4,5, or 6 kids these days? When I look around my peers (mid 30s), its one kid, or DINK. High income earners, now working remotely saving more money than ever. They also value spending money on experiences. The people I know in lower income tiers were nevee going to Disney anyway, it was never a priority for their family.
This may be a small perspective and skewed based on what I see only. But I think Disney has the data to know exactly what theyre doing, know the people are willing to pay for it, and they wont suffer pricing out the small segment who wont.
Supposed to be a water fountain during the day so that will make it look better.Is that fixture going to be permanently in the middle of the lagoon? If so, it is very ugly and unsightly.
If you started going in 1996, because your first child was born shortly before that... id almost say they arent basing their prices off selling to you anymore, they are selling to them, their family (or future family), and their wallet.I am one of those American families. We have saved and gone to only WDW for our vacations since 1996 every single year. When we lived in Georgia we would go more than once a year as we could drive there easily. I saved and bought DVC 2 years ago. I have supported Disney not only in visiting but in buying their merchandise every single year. I will not pay for fast passes, I am considering selling my DVC , as the reduction in benefits for staying onsite is weakening the value of DVC.