Sorry to be so geeky, but Space 220 has gravity all wrong

[pahoben]

And I will also say that the concept of "space elevators" of some sort have been discussed for many decades. So Disney is just playing off this concept.

Excellent original post Hydro-it brought a real smile to face.

Japan claims to have an advanced carbon nanotube material of sufficient strength and light enough to use as the tether. Probably stolen from Disney.

 

[HydroGuy]

I personally find this kind of attitude mildly offensive. Every fantasy world comes with its own rules and physics. This is part of the process of creating a great story. Sure, in many of the Disney worlds animals can talk. That is fine so long as it is part of the world created. When one sets out to create a specific world that has specific rules and then completly fails to follow those rules, you just have a bad story. It isn’t about being unable to get into fiction or enjoy a story, it is about expecting an author or creator or imagineer to do it well.

While I do not find it "offensive", I agree with what you are saying about stories and rules within those stories. That is what makes good and bad stories, even if they are fantastical in nature.

For the record for other forum readers, as the OP of this thread I can say I did not write it to complain. I can handle the fast elevator trip to Space 220 the same way I can handle the 4 minutes it takes to get to Mars on Mission Space.

I do think Disney missed a chance to do a better job of educating the general public here. That is part of what Epcot is about - educating people about the world. They are not that far off right now if they just remove the zero-g astronauts outside. And the CMs do not make reference to the need for artificial gravity. Heck, have a satellite or space station come whipping by Space 220 at 17,000 mph. That would be somewhat realistic, mostly accurate, and fun! And educational.

 

[TheDailyMoo]

Pssst. . .mice do not grow to be 5'4"

Then you haven't been to my place of work...the mice and cockroaches definitely approach the 5 foot mark!

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Then you haven't been to my place of work...the mice and cockroaches definitely approach the 5 foot mark!

You need a new job!

 

[Robbie Cottam]

While I do not find it "offensive", I agree with what you are saying about stories and rules within those stories. That is what makes good and bad stories, even if they are fantastical in nature.

For the record for other forum readers, as the OP of this thread I can say I did not write it to complain. I can handle the fast elevator trip to Space 220 the same way I can handle the 4 minutes it takes to get to Mars on Mission Space.

I do think Disney missed a chance to do a better job of educating the general public here. That is part of what Epcot is about - educating people about the world. They are not that far off right now if they just remove the zero-g astronauts outside. And the CMs do not make reference to the need for artificial gravity. Heck, have a satellite or space station come whipping by Space 220 at 17,000 mph. That would be somewhat realistic, mostly accurate, and fun! And educational.

He was made that I was totally un concerned about the wrong gravity, and cautioned him and Star Wars and pandora and only cared about the food.

However if I understand the concept correct, the gravity is the only part of the physics Disney got wrong. The whole premise that you could build anything 220 miles tall and attach it to the surface of the earth is just as absurd as the bad gravity.

we over looked the aspect

 

[HydroGuy]

He was made that I was totally un concerned about the wrong gravity, and cautioned him and Star Wars and pandora and only cared about the food.

However if I understand the concept correct, the gravity is the only part of the physics Disney got wrong. The whole premise that you could build anything 220 miles tall and attach it to the surface of the earth is just as absurd as the bad gravity.

we over looked the aspect

Well.

I am not sure whether to give a serious answer as I am not sure this is a serious question!

Assuming the question is serious - or at least quasi-serious - in principle one could build a space elevator if they had a material strong enough. I am not a materials specialist so will not go there except to say I suspect that material does not exist yet with today's technology. But it is not absurd to think such a material might exist in the semi-near future. So the premise is not absurd. As I alluded earlier today, folks have proposed such a thing as space elevators in recent decades.

But the issue of gravity (or anti-gravity) is only in Star Trek or Star Wars-type shows and has nothing remotely to do with modern science - to my knowledge, anyways. The only serious attempts with anything remotely related to modern technology is to use rotating structures in space (e.g., "The Expanse") to "create" artificial gravity.

Bottom line - space elevators are conceptually possible and not automatically absurd. Artificial gravity or some such idea is absurd. At least with anything we know today. AS FAR AS I KNOW. Lol, I do not know everything by a long shot. But I do know that Space 220 got gravity wrong!

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Well.

I am not sure whether to give a serious answer as I am not sure this is a serious question!

Assuming the question is serious - or at least quasi-serious - in principle one could build a space elevator if they had a material strong enough. I am not a materials specialist so will not go there except to say I suspect that material does not exist yet with today's technology. But it is not absurd to think such a material might exist in the semi-near future. So the premise is not absurd. As I alluded earlier today, folks have proposed such a thing as space elevators in recent decades.

But the issue of gravity (or anti-gravity) is only in Star Trek or Star Wars-type shows and has nothing remotely to do with modern sciense - to my knowledge, anyways. The only serious attempts with anything remotely related to modern technology is to use rotating structures in space (e.g., "The Expanse") to "create" artificial gravity.

Bottom line - space elevators are conceptually possible and not automatically absurd. Artificial gravity or some such idea is absurd. At least with anything we know today. AS FAR AS I KNOW. Lol, I do not know everything by a long shot. But I do know that Space 220 got gravity wrong!

No there not, and not in central Florida…. Not sure we’re you are from but Florida has Hurricanes…. And who is going to insure a 220 mile tall thing that every hurricane is going to try and blow over.. when it blows over how many people is it going to kill in 220 miles.

 

[pahoben]

I can't wait for the Haunted Space Station and hope Disney is working on Tower of Terror from Space-

 

[PepperjackDragon]

He was made that I was totally un concerned about the wrong gravity, and cautioned him and Star Wars and pandora and only cared about the food.

However if I understand the concept correct, the gravity is the only part of the physics Disney got wrong. The whole premise that you could build anything 220 miles tall and attach it to the surface of the earth is just as absurd as the bad gravity.

we over looked the aspect

Actually , two points of clarification. I wasn’t mad, I was mildly offended. Secondly, I didn’t actually read your whole post at first. As I mentioned before I just grabbed it as the most recent example but was not really responding to you in particular. I skipped over the part about food at first because I didn’t see it.

 

[pahoben]

Well.

I am not sure whether to give a serious answer as I am not sure this is a serious question!

Assuming the question is serious - or at least quasi-serious - in principle one could build a space elevator if they had a material strong enough. I am not a materials specialist so will not go there except to say I suspect that material does not exist yet with today's technology. But it is not absurd to think such a material might exist in the semi-near future. So the premise is not absurd. As I alluded earlier today, folks have proposed such a thing as space elevators in recent decades.

But the issue of gravity (or anti-gravity) is only in Star Trek or Star Wars-type shows and has nothing remotely to do with modern sciense - to my knowledge, anyways. The only serious attempts with anything remotely related to modern technology is to use rotating structures in space (e.g., "The Expanse") to "create" artificial gravity.

Bottom line - space elevators are conceptually possible and not automatically absurd. Artificial gravity or some such idea is absurd. At least with anything we know today. AS FAR AS I KNOW. Lol, I do not know everything by a long shot. But I do know that Space 220 got gravity wrong!

They must have used Buzz Lightyear as the space science consultant-lowest bid.

I haven't seen it but your proposal of removing the floating space persons sounds entirely reasonable.

 

[PepperjackDragon]

I think the problem was they used Buzz Lightyear as the space science consultant.

If they added that tidbit in it would save the whole deal for me.

 

[HydroGuy]

A timely article relevant to this thread I started. Article is from Popular Mechanics published this week. The "fall to Earth because of gravity" scenario in this article is from 135,899 ft - about 26 miles up. Same thing applies at 220 miles up.

"So, You Want to Skydive from Space?" - https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/solar-system/a39877685/how-to-skydive-from-space/

 

[HydroGuy]

And here is another one I saw today...and I do not think it was Disney who invented this. Note that this concept goes much higher than 220 miles up.

Space elevator rides to the moon are possible using today’s technology
https://www.thebrighterside.news/po...he-moon-are-possible-using-today-s-technology

 

[Lunchbox66]

I'm now going to bring this up when I finally get to go eat there lol. Good science lesson. Never knew it ia relative motion that far up.

 

[bobdacat]

Are these the same as the Hydrolators from the living seas?

 

[NickC]

I get it. It's not quite the same thing, but I always notice things like ukuleles being used as guitars-- or cellos instead of double basses.
And wasn't there something about the number of children changing in CoP?