Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

[akadada]

Only 22? Did they stop watching at the part where Leia flies around the earth and makes time go in reverse?

I've stopped contributing to this post because everything you say is what I'm thinking (and no one cares what I have to say ) But thank you.

You and others, keep up the debate. I very much enjoy watching the SW apologist union coming out in full force against those of us who believe this movie is complete and utter bull-poodoo.

 

[paradesintherain]

I mean... to all the haters maybe you should try, "Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love". But seriously if you hate something do you have to go on and on about it? Anyway.

Second, I LOVED it the secret BD time after only liking it the first time. I think not wondering what will happen or not and waiting for reveals to come let me enjoy it a lot more. Also there is a ton of foreshadowing in the first half that now made sense and made that part of the movie MUCH more enjoyable to me

I don't understand what secret BD time is? I'm sure once you explain it I'll be like, DUH. But I can't figure it out.

That library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess," Yoda says. It sounds cheeky, but he’s being literal: as we see later, Rey snatched the books before fleeing Ahch-To and hid them in a drawer on the Millennium Falcon

Yessss, I loved that bit! There's a lot of foreshadowing to be noticed. Really is much more enjoyable on subsequent watches.

But I don't think she's going to reestablish the Jedi order. I think something will come around that's much more balanced. People aren't black and white, light and dark, and maybe that's what all the others missed in the past - balance inside people.

 

[karly05]

I don't understand what secret BD time is? I'm sure once you explain it I'll be like, DUH. But I can't figure it out.

It took me a bit, but I'm pretty sure it's autocorrect for "second." My phone does that sort of thing to me all the time.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I don't understand what secret BD time is? I'm sure once you explain it I'll be like, DUH. But I can't figure it out.

It's because my fingers are too fat for my phone and I don't have my special dialing wand with me

For some reason it auto-corrected me trying to write "second" to "secret BD" .... just meant that I loved it the second time after only liking it (or liking some part and others not as much) the first time

Side note, in typing this response it wanted to change "fingers" to "father Myers"

 

[paradesintherain]

It's because my fingers are too fat for my phone and I don't have my special dialing wand with me

For some reason it auto-corrected me trying to write "second" to "secret BD" .... just meant that I loved it the second time after only liking it (or liking some part and others not as much) the first time

Side note, in typing this response it wanted to change "fingers" to "father Myers"

Oh DUH! I don't think I would have ever realized. I was trying to remember some secret thing that happened in the movie

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I've stopped contributing to this post because everything you say is what I'm thinking (and no one cares what I have to say ) But thank you.

You and others, keep up the debate. I very much enjoy watching the SW apologist union coming out in full force against those of us who believe this movie is complete and utter bull-poodoo.

well, it is a discussion board, and sometimes when people are discussing opposing views it can be like a debate

Personally I get why people didn't love or even like the film, for the directions they took the characters (or didn't take them), for the answers they gave (or didn't) to some of the questions coming out of TFA, etc. I get it, this is a new direction and might not match what one expects from the original trilogy, etc.

I do still struggle to understand views like yours that are so extreme to thing the movie is "complete and utter bull-poodoo" - even if you didn't like the storyline choices there are some beautifully shot scenes and the fight scene in Snoke's throne room is one of my favorites from any of the Star Wars films, and some touching moments (Luke kissing Leia on the forehead, etc.). There are some really bad movies out there with no redeeming values and I struggle to see how this film would get grouped in with them

 

[akadada]

well, it is a discussion board, and sometimes when people are discussing opposing views it can be like a debate

Personally I get why people didn't love or even like the film, for the directions they took the characters (or didn't take them), for the answers they gave (or didn't) to some of the questions coming out of TFA, etc. I get it, this is a new direction and might not match what one expects from the original trilogy, etc.

I do still struggle to understand views like yours that are so extreme to thing the movie is "complete and utter bull-poodoo" - even if you didn't like the storyline choices there are some beautifully shot scenes and the fight scene in Snoke's throne room is one of my favorites from any of the Star Wars films, and some touching moments (Luke kissing Leia on the forehead, etc.). There are some really bad movies out there with no redeeming values and I struggle to see how this film would get grouped in with them

Agreed on your points of debate. Although, you shouldn't spend too much time struggling on understanding my point of view. It's not going to change much.

KaptKaveman and a few others offer some pretty clear reasoning for why I thought it was fodder. The movie, on it's own, has entertaining moments, albeit often very contrived and bunched together, but that's not the point. The movie is the sum of its bigger parts; great expectations were not met.

Cheers

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Agreed on your points of debate. Although, you shouldn't spend too much time struggling on understanding my point of view. It's not going to change much.

KaptKaveman and a few others offer some pretty clear reasoning for why I thought it was fodder. The movie, on it's own, has entertaining moments, albeit often very contrived and bunched together, but that's not the point. The movie is the sum of its bigger parts; great expectations were not met.

Cheers

fair enough, and wanting to understand your point of view has nothing with wanting to change it - I just want to understand it and I think you summed it up how you feel. thanks

 

[Grand Admiral]

great expectations were not met.

This seems like the core of the matter. People who went in with expectations seem to come out disappointed.

Those of us who went in without specific expectations seem to have enjoyed it.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I very much enjoy watching the SW apologist union coming out in full force against those of us who believe this movie is complete and utter bull-poodoo.

Orrrrrrr... not everyone agrees with you... and some aim to discuss that... on a discussion board...

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

great expectations were not met.

Sounds from reading many accounts a bit more like very specific expectations we’re not met... Luke needed to be a certain way... Rey had to come from Jedi royalty... Snoke had to have an earth shattering back story, etc.

Perhaps this doesn’t fit your particular take, but that is how most of the more vociferous complaints strike me. Those, and for some, for the first time realizing that SW doesn’t follow the laws of physics... and isn’t entirely realistic...

 

[KaptKaveman]

You and others, keep up the debate. I very much enjoy watching the SW apologist union coming out in full force against those of us who believe this movie is complete and utter bull-poodoo.

I've been using the term "Pile of Wampa Dump". According to latest box office reports this movie is 110 Million Dollars behind TFA at the same point in its release. It also is cratering on the user reviews on certain movie review sites. The movie is shockingly bad.

Sounds from reading many accounts a bit more like very specific expectations we’re not met... Luke needed to be a certain way... Rey had to come from Jedi royalty... Snoke had to have an earth shattering back story, etc

Hmmmm, no this isn't it. How about no expectations were met. I swear rather than building on TFA Rian Johnson wrote this script using an old Star Wars Mad Libs book.

"Luke *insert verb* a *Insert Noun* and *Insert Verb* it's *Insert Adjective* *Insert Noun*

Seems innocuous enough until you realize Rian inserted Milks, Space Dugong, Drinks, Blue and Milk.

 

[Q-man]

I noticed a lot of things like that the second time. Also Luke saying to Rey "what do you want me to do? Walk out and face down the entire first order?" And then at the end he (or his Force projection) does just that

I didn't like it the first time on opening day. The kids had finals this past week so I had booked the family's tickets for yesterday. I got up and got more popcorn and a beer during the casino scene. It was a much better movie when I went in with low expectations rather than high expectations. I missed a lot of the foreshadowing the first time and a couple of continuity glitches. They really made a big show of footprints on Criat but the shot of Luke's lack of was very brief. Continuity issues; Plasma goes from being right on top of Finn to running at him from across the cargo bay after Holdo's attack. In the circle reflection relay scene Rey gets out of the water soaked and they cut to different angle and she is dry.

Didn't hate the Porgs now that I know they were a CGI skin as a solution for the Jedi Island being puffin rookery and puffins were in most shots on the island.

The movie made way more sense when I knew what was going to happen.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Hmmmm, no this isn't it.

Ok... ...

 

[TomServo27]

I do still struggle to understand views like yours that are so extreme to thing the movie is "complete and utter bull-poodoo" - even if you didn't like the storyline choices there are some beautifully shot scenes and the fight scene in Snoke's throne room is one of my favorites from any of the Star Wars films, and some touching moments (Luke kissing Leia on the forehead, etc.). There are some really bad movies out there with no redeeming values and I struggle to see how this film would get grouped in with them

I think people just care about Star Wars so much that there reactions tend to be extreme that can go to the negative or the positive.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

I find The Last Jedi to be eminently re-watchable. Loved it even more the second time and will probably see it a third before it leaves theaters.

 

[TomServo27]

I didn't like it the first time on opening day.

That’s sort of how I felt about TFW. I was so ready for something new and it felt like a rehash of episode 4. I wouldn’t say I didn’t like it but I was a little bit disappointed. I enjoyed it more the second time knowing where the story was going.

 

[skier_pete]

The funny thing is that love it or hate it doesn't change it, and doesn't make those of us that loved it like it less...so go on and hate away.

 

[cmash95]

not sure if i want to see IX. I was that dissappointed in it. Let me start by saying that the original star wars came out when I was a senior in high school and I eagerly followed to exploits of luke and leia and hans through my college years and fowards. I put up wit hthe prequels because they told the story of darth vader and explained a lot of the back story and I really enjoyed number VII even with the death of Han. but turning a jedi master into a whiny wimp who would be afraid of the dark power in Ben Solo or in Rey is just impossible. Jedi don't run and hide and turn into wimps. that was so disappointing and seriously I wanted to get up and leave. then there was the whole Hope stuff. by the end of the movie the rebel legion fit in the millenium falcon? really? and how did the theif know that they were using transports when flyn didn't know. really the one redeaming thing that happened was fin and phasma. I mean fin and rose failed in their mission, the rebels were decimated and in the end noone came to join them. and why in the world would you kill off snope makes no sense. honestly this movie seemed like the end of a trilogy and not the middle movie. If this is what disney is going to do with star wars,,,, stop at the next and don't do any more

 

[TomServo27]

I saw it for a third time with my five year old nephew. Best part of the movie was when he had to go to the restroom he told me to pause it.