The walking dead amc #2

[Marchand63]

Am I the only one who finds Negan to be too over the top? Not because he Lucilled people or stuff like that, but just the dialogue/acting in general. No offense to Jeffrey Dean Morgan whom I love, but the way the character is written...the whole episode of Negan going on and on about how bad*** he is got to be pretty annoying.

Most of the dialogue is from the books. And he gets worse

 

[crazee4mickey]

Most season premieres people are whining that they got cheated, too many ads, etc but not this time!

It was extremely graphic, not sure what we all expected as we all knew the outcome and it is TWD, gruesome and the unexpected is what they deliver so well.

The sound effects and everything made you feel like you were right there kneeling on the ground with the rest of them. If they hadn't done this, fans would have complained about it "not living up to the comics"....very hard to satisfy all of the masses.

I had seen the spoiler post just before the premiere so up until then I was blissfully unaware who was about to meet 'Lucille' up close and personal.

As for Negan, his character has to be "over the top", he doesn't get that many people doing his beck and call by being "Mr. Nice Guy", all soft spoken and demure.

TWD gave fans what we have all wanted in a premiere for years, some feel it was too much, nope not me, I don't feel cheated one bit and will continue to watch....heartbroken and gutted, yes but it's merely a sample of what Rick and the crew are up against

 

[sonnyjane]

Sigh. Not a surprise at all, but yowza!

 

[alicat8]

I thought this thread was dead because I stopped getting alerts! I would've come for moral support. I'm SO glad a friend at work told me her theory, because i was completely mentally prepared. I also knew it was Abraham all along, because they set him up for it in the finale. Hugging Eugene? Dead. I saw him out a few months ago and he just looked sad. But I asked for a photo and he was so nice! Wish I wasn't so star struck and said a real goodbye

 

[anniemae]

I like JDM as Negan. Honestly, I have never seen him in anything else so maybe I have no opinion formed of him. I think he plays Negan brilliantly. He is a psychopath and goes between kind of charming, to downright brutal in seconds. He has these little quips where it seems like he cracks himself up, all while holding Lucille dripping blood and you just get the feeling he is completely mad, which is more scary than just someone who is a brutal killer.

 

[sharona]

Haven't decided yet if I'm going to continue watching the show. Did not watch last night but heard from friends what happened. I love the human survival, rebuilding society and struggle to remain true to self aspects of the show and frankly, I tolerate the gore because without it you don't have the urgency or consequences that are needed for the human drama.

The human on human violence and the sadistic nature of the "villians" is a turn off for me. I think I lasted this long because there were so many good guys in the group. Their sneak attack on the others made them part of the villians for the first time.

I do love JDM though. His recent turn on Good Wife was fabulous and I'm sure he'll be incredible as Neagan-just not sure I'll be able to watch it.

 

[lovin'fl]

I guess you all want to use this year and half old thread instead of the one I started last week for the new season. http://www.disboards.com/threads/walking-dead-season-7-no-spoliers.3554980/page-2#post-56658024

So my thoughts...JDM didn't sell it as Negan. He's too little/scrawny and smirky and all the dang dialoging (not charming, annoying). I avoided spoilers but had heard a lot of folks saying Glenn and Abe would get it so I was prepared. But for a little bit, I was thinking maybe Glenn would escape alive. Then, BAM. That was devastating as was his head/eye image. But I heard that was true to the comics. Daryl's fault. I'd let Negan whack off parts of him. Though, admittedly, I have never been a Daryl fan-girl. And boy has he aged...not so well.

At any rate, I hear annoying Negan will be around for a long long while. Uggghhh!

 

[Tinkerdreams]

Thanks for the heads up on the gore. I will watch it on demand tonight but will probably mute it and play candy crush through that part LOL!!

All I can say is if society degrades like this at some kind of devastating global event, I'd want out from the start!!

 

[declansdad]

See, the whole reason I liked the show was it was about people trying to survive, trying to remain as true to themselves as much as possible (or finding out who they really were!). And yes, there were bad guys, but mostly just dead people trying to eat you. I really hate sadistic sick people and what they do. So yeah, this kind of kills it for me. And I have felt this way for a while. Who knows, maybe the show will pivot on this and get better. If not, there's plenty of people who love the sadism and gore who will take my place.

The real question of who are the bad guys? The show is setup to makes us feel that Rick and the Gang are the good guys and the other groups are bad but the original group has done some pretty nasty things as well. It's all about perspective.

Am I the only one who finds Negan to be too over the top? Not because he Lucilled people or stuff like that, but just the dialogue/acting in general. No offense to Jeffrey Dean Morgan whom I love, but the way the character is written...the whole episode of Negan going on and on about how bad*** he is got to be pretty annoying.

I thought he was excellent. He made you hate and love the character at the same time.

 

[catfan98]

I have watched TWD from it's beginning. Other than the very first episode, I think this was the best season opening episode they have ever had. The episode was brilliant, amazing, gory and brutal...it made me sad, mad, sick, grossed out...just a lot of feelings. The gore of the show has never bothered me, but I couldn't watch the head bashing parts last night. Bash a zombie's head in, fine...bash a live guy's head in, nope...but that's just me. I just couldn't watch it, so I looked away during those parts. Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Negan is great - perfect attitude, perfect sarcasm, perfect sadistic, psychopathic display - he played the part to perfection. He definitely made me hate his character. I can't wait to see what the rest of the season brings.

 

[RedSox68]

Sorry -- I thought it was a real rip to the fans. You teased us for months about who got Lucille -- then you waited until almost 20 minutes into the episode before you finally revealed it was Abraham. And then after letting us heave a sigh of relief -- albeit disappointment they once again didn't follow the books -- you take Glenn anyway. Your fan base is huge, AMC -- do you feel you really need such cheap moves to keep us watching. UGH

 

[lovin'fl]

Sorry -- I thought it was a real rip to the fans. You teased us for months about who got Lucille -- then you waited until almost 20 minutes into the episode before you finally revealed it was Abraham. And then after letting us heave a sigh of relief -- albeit disappointment they once again didn't follow the books -- you take Glenn anyway (after the dumpster fake out too). Your fan base is huge, AMC -- do you feel you really need such cheap moves to keep us watching. UGH

I agree completely! They lost a lot of viewers last night.

 

[RedSox68]

I agree completely! They lost a lot of viewers last night.

In reading one of the reviews this morning, a large majority of loyal fans actually stated they had removed the show from their taping schedule and they were done. And dragging Daryl away for who knows what -- I hated the Governor episodes for the very reason that the whole group was constantly be tortured, killed, threatened and captured. Now it looks like this season is going to be an all out crap fest of misery. Yes yes yes -- I know -- they are living in the Zombie Apocalypse, but we've watched Rick melt down several times and then once his wife died he spiraled into sheer darkness............and now I guess he'll be unbearably sorrowful and full of guilt for another season!

 

[rotlex]

Been a fan from the beginning and I think I'm finally done. It's a shame too. I think it's truly a great show. The person to person violence always bothered me, but the "graphic" violence and killings just for the sake of it is too over the top now. Someone else said it's nothing more than "torture porn" at this point, and I agree. I'm sure there are a lot of folks that will love it, and say it follows the comics, but lets be honest. Daryl wouldn't even exist if that was the case. I'm done. Over and out. It's been a fun 6 years.

 

[RedSox68]

Been a fan from the beginning and I think I'm finally done. It's a shame too. I think it's truly a great show. The person to person violence always bothered me, but the "graphic" violence and killings just for the sake of it is too over the top now. Someone else said it's nothing more than "torture porn" at this point, and I agree. I'm sure there are a lot of folks that will love it, and say it follows the comics, but lets be honest. Daryl wouldn't even exist if that was the case. I'm done. Over and out. It's been a fun 6 years.

As a PP said, watching zombie deaths is one thing -- but it seems more people are dying anymore than they are killing zombies!

 

[nugov2]

I'm kinda surprised by some of the backlash. We watched Ricks group murder what could be innocent people in their sleep to achieve their goal, we've watch the show tease in lame ways character deaths and they finally gave us some real deaths. I found the build up necessary. If the show just started in on the bashing it would have been unsuspenseful. As I said before it was very graphic, but we have witnessed rick and his group do some very sadistic things in past seasons without the same outcry, why? I think because people viewed them as good, but are they? No, they are doing what needs to be done to survive and keep safe those they deem important. Rick left someone to die out on the road rather than help him. Why? He could have helped.

Shane was viewed as somewhat of a villian when he in essence is a waterdowned version of who rick is now. To me thats whats good about the show. The evolution of what you will do/become to survive and protect those you love. Let's face it there are despicable human beings who act this way now IRL and many just waiting for an opportunity to show their true colors. I don't find it unrealistic that in an end of days situation there are a lot of bad guys ruling groups of people. I think we will begin to see rick and his group realize they were getting close to being Negan's themselves and see some of their humanity come back....of course Negan will eventually get his own day of reckoning via rick and his group, but in some ways I think this may be the wakeup call that once you start doing really awful things and telling yourself it is for the greater good, that it is easy to slip down that rabbit hole and they kinda have done that.

 

[nkereina]

To those fed up with the show - I can understand that since it's taken on a different tone. It started as a story of survival, and has evolved quite a bit. But they are still surviving. They are evolving and adapting to the world now which is kill or be killed. Surviving now means killing off threats, or getting killed in the process. So I still see it as a story of survival, and what would probably happen in the "real world" if there were ever an apocalypse of any kind - zombie or otherwise.

Am I the only one who finds Negan to be too over the top? Not because he Lucilled people or stuff like that, but just the dialogue/acting in general. No offense to Jeffrey Dean Morgan whom I love, but the way the character is written...the whole episode of Negan going on and on about how bad*** he is got to be pretty annoying.

YES! I was going to say the same thing. I realize it's from the comics but I was sick of his monologues by the end of the episode. Every line of his was calculated, sarcastic, witty even. I would expect someone as intimidating and as powerful as he is would have other tactics to display that rather than running his mouth constantly. Very different than the Governor.

 

[lovin'fl]

Show could have left off last season after Abe's death and Rick getting dragged off...then this opener could have showed Glenn's death (or here's a thought, let Glenn be dead with the dumpster fall). And a psycho wouldn't blabber on the way Negan does. He'd be like the Governor...that guy was scary. JDM can go back to Grey's, he fits there. Also, not looking forward to Rick in despair all season. And I want Negan dead but we won't see that as he's still alive in the last comics...so many many seasons of Negan and his dialoging...blech.

 

[RedSox68]

Show could have left off last season after Abe's death and Rick getting dragged off...then this opener could have showed Glenn's death (or here's a thought, let Glenn be dead with the dumpster fall). And a psycho wouldn't blabber on the way Negan does. He'd be like the Governor...that guy was scary. JDM can go back to Grey's, he fits there. Also, not looking forward to Rick in despair all season. And I want Negan dead but we won't see that as he's still alive in the last comics...so many many seasons of Negan and his dialoging...blech.

Oh, the irony -- the Grey's episode last week started by showing the door to the medical clinic -- named the Danny Duquesne Medical Clinic! What homage LOL

 

[lovin'fl]

He was a bigger guy on Grey's. He reminds me of the brother on Everybody Loves Raymond...so I just don't see evil Joker type character.