Waitlist impossibilities

I can pay cash now and stay wherever I want this fall. If Pete is right, that would probably include a discount to be announced soon. But because I've been paying my $$ for the last 10 years instead I am barely able to squeak in a reservation on points anywhere at all.

Some are beating you down about this, but I think you are 100% right. It is crazy that DVC members have to plan 7 (or 11) months out after paying tens of thousands of dollars, plus annual dues, and non-DVC guests can just pay cash and plan just a few months in advance. Plus, they get discounts (AP, free dining, etc.) that DVC doesn't ever get.


Well, five and a half months out for late October is kind of late.

The things is, it *isn't* late, in the sense that many, if not most, people do *not* plan vacations 11 months out! You think it is late because DVC has influenced you to think that way. If you told the average Jane that they were planning their family vacation "late" because it was nearly 6 months away, they would think you're nuts. But, somehow, for DVC members, 6 months has become "late." DVC has warped our expectations to think that vacations need to be planned nearly a year in advance.
 
Some are beating you down about this, but I think you are 100% right. It is crazy that DVC members have to plan 7 (or 11) months out after paying tens of thousands of dollars, plus annual dues, and non-DVC guests can just pay cash and plan just a few months in advance. Plus, they get discounts (AP, free dining, etc.) that DVC doesn't ever get.

The things is, it *isn't* late, in the sense that many, if not most, people do *not* plan vacations 11 months out! You think it is late because DVC has influenced you to think that way. If you told the average Jane that they were planning their family vacation "late" because it was nearly 6 months away, they would think you're nuts. But, somehow, for DVC members, 6 months has become "late." DVC has warped our expectations to think that vacations need to be planned nearly a year in advance.
Timeshares are not hotels. The sooner someone realizes that, the better off they will be. Timeshares always require booking far out to get what you want. Plus hotels offer all sorts of deals to get you to fill up the place. The timeshare is already sold out. If you need perks and deals to book or you want to book last minute, don't buy a timeshare.
 
Timeshares are not hotels. The sooner someone realizes that, the better off they will be. Timeshares always require booking far out to get what you want. Plus hotels offer all sorts of deals to get you to fill up the place. The timeshare is already sold out. If you need perks and deals to book or you want to book last minute, don't buy a timeshare.

And this comes up in every single "should I buy DVC" thread we have here. DVC only works if you can plan ahead - preferably eleven months, at least seven months and if you don't mind staying at your home resort.

The good news is that anyone who bought ten years ago should be able to sell for a tidy profit and move to the FAR MORE FLEXIBLE cash reservations through CRO - where you can get a room with no notice whatsoever and frequently in every single resort on property has availability.
 
The things is, it *isn't* late, in the sense that many, if not most, people do *not* plan vacations 11 months out! You think it is late because DVC has influenced you to think that way. If you told the average Jane that they were planning their family vacation "late" because it was nearly 6 months away, they would think you're nuts. But, somehow, for DVC members, 6 months has become "late." DVC has warped our expectations to think that vacations need to be planned nearly a year in advance.

When I was younger and vacationed with my sister overseas, usually on an escorted tour,, we had to plan our vacations anywhere from 5 months to one year out (depending if we wanted to go in the spring or fall). Her work required her to put in her vacation for the next calendar year the November prior (so for any time off in 2019, she'd have to put in all her requests by November 2018) and then hope we could find a tour we liked, during the time she had off. We would have various escorted tours picked out with dates that looked good (multiple options) so we could make one of them work.

When we went on family vacations (with our parents), our mom would plan it at least 6 months away (various national parks) so my dad could ask for the time off and get approved before anything was booked. It was typically a driving trip so the two of them would go through the maps (long before the internet came along), AAA travel books to find out hotels/motels on the way to book, and start making calls. Ugh, remember when long distance was expensive and one was always hoping for an 800-number to call since it would be free?! I still have fond memories of our trip to the Grand Canyon and the spontaneous excursion down the canyon on a mule that we did....I think those mules now require a reservation of a year in advance due to the limited numbers that can go down there.

Later, when sis & I started booking DVC vacations (points rentals), even though she wouldn't know before December of the year prior to our trip if she was approved, we would still make preparations a year in advance, gets the owner(s) lined up, and she would be asking the people ahead of her in seniority (vacation requests are done via seniority) to see if they were taking certain weeks off that we were looking at for the trips to WDW.

So, I don't think it's just DVC.
 


Some are beating you down about this, but I think you are 100% right. It is crazy that DVC members have to plan 7 (or 11) months out after paying tens of thousands of dollars, plus annual dues, and non-DVC guests can just pay cash and plan just a few months in advance. Plus, they get discounts (AP, free dining, etc.) that DVC doesn't ever get.




The things is, it *isn't* late, in the sense that many, if not most, people do *not* plan vacations 11 months out! You think it is late because DVC has influenced you to think that way. If you told the average Jane that they were planning their family vacation "late" because it was nearly 6 months away, they would think you're nuts. But, somehow, for DVC members, 6 months has become "late." DVC has warped our expectations to think that vacations need to be planned nearly a year in advance.

Thanks. This has just never been our experience before this year. Sometimes we are planners and know where life is headed in time to plan a trip early, and sometimes we don't. :-) But we have always been able to find the reservations we wanted. This time was less lead time because of family changing plans. (Vacation planning is not always 100% in our control) But we were still able to start trying to book right at 7 months! NOT 5 1/2 :rolleyes:

To those who have commiserated and been patient and let me vent, thanks. We still love our DVC. It has given us vacation opportunities that we would have had a difficult time taking otherwise. We will continue to go do WDW,and Aulani as long as we can! (But every vacation - Disney or otherwise - comes with its share of head scratching and frustration until the job is done!)
 
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Disney is responsible for the difficulties of decreased availability at 7 months.

1. The online program makes it very easy for people to book and use their points. And they do. This is actually a good thing.

2. The program makes it easier for people to rent out their points when they aren't going to use them. This means that points get used and take up reservations, instead of expiring. However, another part of this is that Disney has made it very attractive to rent points out by raising the prices of rooms so very high. So, more points get used. If you have 50 points you are going to lose, but points only rent for $5 each then you stand to lose maybe $250. Not nice, but not a really big deal. But if points are going for $20 a point (and I have rented a lot of points at $20 a point) then your 50 points becomes $1000. That is much more significant!!!

3. Disney did establish a program in DVC that has some intrinsic value. Unlike most timeshares, where point value gradually goes to zero, the DVC points retain value, as long as they can be used to stay at the very expensive resorts that Disney has created by raising their prices. This makes it worthwhile for people to SELL their points on the RESALE market when they get tired of them, or too old for them, or their circumstances change. So, points that used to sit around doing nothing, now go into the hands of people (the resale buyers) who are more likely to use them.

4. HHI and Vero Beach owners who bought resale. This is a special sub category of resale buyers, not just because they bought contracts, and kept them active, but also because they are especially likely to shift from their Home Resort to use them at Disney World. The original owners of HHI and VB were likely to have purchased those locations because they LIKED those locations. But as the population has aged and changed and new resale buyers have come in, a very very large part of those resale buyers bought VB and HHI, with no intention to ever stay there, but because they were cheap, and it gave them an inexpensive way to stay at Disney World. This puts more pressure on the rest of the system.

5. Disney has sold too many small contracts. Contracts that only have enough points to stay in studios. So all the studios book up, and this then causes a cascade effect, forcing other people, who formerly stayed in studios, to use up their points by staying in other rooms, 1 bedroom and 2 bedroom units. These units were also more available in the past because the people using them formerly spent their points on studios.

6. Disney came up with the genius idea to designate certain units, Polynesian Bungalows in particular, but also others such as Copper Creek cabins, as "very high point reservoir units." In other words, make bungalows and cabins in order to create a lot of (inexpensive to build) points that Disney could sell. And they knew, or should have known that people would not choose to use their points so wastefully, on the Bungalows. Even better for Disney, they can now rent those out. Meanwhile the points that ARE NOT USED to stay in the bungalows go into the general pool and soak up other reservations at other places.

7. Disney made a mistake by building Aulani. I don't care how much Disney tries to put a rosy face on it and cherry pick their statistics to deny that Aulani people are actually staying at Disney world - the Aulani owners actually ARE staying at Disney World. Why? Because it costs less to fly to Orlando from EVERYWHERE in the continental United States (even the west coast), than to fly to Hawaii. Besides, Disney World is a whole lot more fun and interesting than Aulani. Just the fact that Aulani is still only about half sold out, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, shows that people don't want to stay there. And the people who don't want to stay there includes the people who actually bought it. (I'm not talking about EVERYONE, but a significant percentage.) Disney should have known better.

8. Because it is getting harder to book, people ARE planning their vacations farther out, both in the 11 month window and in the 7 month window. They know that to get what they want, they MUST plan ahead, or they are likely to find themselves with poor options. This takes inventory out of the pool, earlier, and makes it nearly impossible to plan late notice vacations.

Am I missing any other major factors?

The fact is, even if people are only using 10% more of their points than they did in the past, this is enough to tip the balance and make it hard to get reservations with short notice. And, when you add up the points that formerly went unused, and the points being used because they are 'rentable,' and the points that are being switched to standard DVC units instead of being used on Bungalows, Aulani, HHI and VB, you will find a far greater increase in the number of people competing for the same reservations.
Spot on!
 
Thanks. This has just never been our experience before this year. Sometimes we are planners and know where life is headed in time to plan a trip early, and sometimes we don't. :-) But we have always been able to find the reservations we wanted. This time was less lead time because of family changing plans. (Vacation planning is not always 100% in our control) But we were still able to start trying to book right at 7 months! NOT 5 1/2 :rolleyes:

To those who have commiserated and been patient and let me vent, thanks. We still love our DVC. It has given us vacation opportunities that we would have had a difficult time taking otherwise. We will continue to go do WDW,and Aulani as long as we can! (But every vacation - Disney or otherwise - comes with its share of head scratching and frustration until the job is done!)
Posted May 3, 2019. https://www.disboards.com/threads/what-are-the-odds.3748043/
We just decided yesterday to plan a trip Oct 26-Nov 2. We usually do a 1 BR, but a studio would be fine if that's what we can find. Availability is basically non existent at the moment. We can get 6 nights at SSR (or otherwise piece together those nights here and there), but there is nothing anywhere for Nov 1 & 2.

So our options are obviously wait list, pay out of pocket, or adjust our dates. We are meeting family there (family of five, so their hotel options are limited). We would LOVE to stay at Boardwalk. What are the odds of us successfully getting a reservation there for all or part of that week?!

We have done waitlist before, but it has been a long time. If it were just my family it would be no sweat. we'll stay wherever we can get and move around if need be. And we like SSR, so if we end up there most or all of the week, so be it. But we'd really like to figure out how to be at the same resort with the rest of our crew. Paying out of pocket is not really in the budget (and defeats the purpose in having DVC for us!)

Thoughts or suggestions on the best way to to approach waitlist? Seems like it may be better to waitlist in pieces rather than the whole week at once? Is that accurate? Thoughts on anywhere else to stay that isn't a budget killer for their 5 and that might be a more likely waitlist option for us? Or any other ideas or input from the experts??
So you started looking for an Oct booking before May 3? May 3 to Oct 26 is just a bit over 5.5 months.
 
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Really just venting a little to the people who understand!!

We decided on a "last minute" trip with family this fall. By last minute I mean just barely less than 7 months. I knew we wouldn't find anything at BLT or Boardwalk the week of Halloween. And that's ok. But there has been NOTHING. Anywhere. We only barely managed to get the days we needed at Saratoga.

I've put in a couple of waitlists, but I'm not hopeful. And I check "just in case" every time I get on the computer. But I'm just frustrated and annoyed. When we bought 10 years ago we could manage a reservation with options on where to stay, even after 7 months. And we have been fortunate to stay at most of the resorts along the way. Don't get me wrong I am thankful we get to go at all. And Saratoga is fine. We've stayed there before and really enjoyed it. Just not feeling it this time around and frustrated to feel like there are no options unless we want to fork over the ridiculous sums of money (for our family budget) that we joined DVC to save.

We will still go. And we will still have a fantastic trip!! :banana: Lets be honest...the real problem is that we want a room with the murphy bed because my children are incapable of sharing a bed without nuclear war (11 year old bed hog!!) :hyper:

Thanks for letting me vent a bit...
I feel your pain. My family has the same issue. Last summer, we really wanted to stay at BCV. Since the only room available was a 1BR with a sleeper sofa for the kids, we took it and shipped a cheap air mattress directly to BCV from Amazon. It was waiting for us upon arrival and solved our problem for about $20. I love Amazon Prime!
 
it's getting to the point where studios are going to be hard to book anywhere at seven or fewer months out.
 
This is not the only thread "I could only book at SSR." What I would say is at least we have that. There may come a day with the room renovations they have started at SSR there might not even be that option closer to last minute.
 
This is not the only thread "I could only book at SSR." What I would say is at least we have that. There may come a day with the room renovations they have started at SSR there might not even be that option closer to last minute.
SSR has the most villas, so it usually is the last place filled up. The smaller resorts always fill up first and usually by home resort owners.
 
I have noticed that more people are just booking rooms and selling them for profit making availability harder for owners
to try and get a room for themselves .
 
Really just venting a little to the people who understand!!

We decided on a "last minute" trip with family this fall. By last minute I mean just barely less than 7 months. I knew we wouldn't find anything at BLT or Boardwalk the week of Halloween. And that's ok. But there has been NOTHING. Anywhere. We only barely managed to get the days we needed at Saratoga.

I've put in a couple of waitlists, but I'm not hopeful. And I check "just in case" every time I get on the computer. But I'm just frustrated and annoyed. When we bought 10 years ago we could manage a reservation with options on where to stay, even after 7 months. And we have been fortunate to stay at most of the resorts along the way. Don't get me wrong I am thankful we get to go at all. And Saratoga is fine. We've stayed there before and really enjoyed it. Just not feeling it this time around and frustrated to feel like there are no options unless we want to fork over the ridiculous sums of money (for our family budget) that we joined DVC to save.

We will still go. And we will still have a fantastic trip!! :banana: Lets be honest...the real problem is that we want a room with the murphy bed because my children are incapable of sharing a bed without nuclear war (11 year old bed hog!!) :hyper:

Thanks for letting me vent a bit...
Lol. Last minute to me is a month . I find it hard to believe how this works. I never book our vacations without securing airfare first. We fly direct and only on SWA.
then we look at the resorts for an available room and only if we secure free dining . We did it again for sept. Arrival akl. Standard view room of the roof or parking lot. Lol. 3 adults with disney dining plan that include s table service and 6 day park.hopper . Cost $4700. Now SWA direct flight $202 round trip. Oh staying 7 nights
 
Lol. Last minute to me is a month . I find it hard to believe how this works. I never book our vacations without securing airfare first. We fly direct and only on SWA.
then we look at the resorts for an available room and only if we secure free dining . We did it again for sept. Arrival akl. Standard view room of the roof or parking lot. Lol. 3 adults with disney dining plan that include s table service and 6 day park.hopper . Cost $4700. Now SWA direct flight $202 round trip. Oh staying 7 nights
I take it you are not a DVC member then. Finding a villa at one month out is pretty difficult, except maybe during summer months when no one really wants to go because WDW feels like the surface of the Sun.
I have noticed that more people are just booking rooms and selling them for profit making availability harder for owners
to try and get a room for themselves .
They are owners and are using their points the way they want to use their points. They may be using the cash to book something else at Disney or maybe the cruise. It's an acceptable thing to do with points.
 
I have noticed that more people are just booking rooms and selling them for profit making availability harder for owners
to try and get a room for themselves .
How do you know this. Yes, I’ve seen spec reservations on FB and other sites but it appears to me as if these are the same people over and over and not more people doing this.

But guess what? They’re owners just like everyone else. They have to play by the same rules that we all play by. If I book a AKV CL studio and give it to my niece for her honeymoon (yep, did that!) or rent it out, it was still obtained the same way that any other owner would book and it was paid for with the same home resort points that any other owner would have used. It didn’t make it harder for the next owner to book that studio. We all had an equal shot at it.
 
Lol. Last minute to me is a month . I find it hard to believe how this works. I never book our vacations without securing airfare first. We fly direct and only on SWA.
then we look at the resorts for an available room and only if we secure free dining . We did it again for sept. Arrival akl. Standard view room of the roof or parking lot. Lol. 3 adults with disney dining plan that include s table service and 6 day park.hopper . Cost $4700. Now SWA direct flight $202 round trip. Oh staying 7 nights
How nice for you. Judging by this, and by your other posts on the DVC boards, this is not a product meant for you. I guess that I will just have to suffer with my VGF Grand Villa and no *free* dining. I’m such a fool. :jester:
 
Are you willing to do a split stay? I have had luck transferring over this way because I was willing to split if it didn’t happen. Set up a waitlist to maybe replace the first or last few nights at one of the other resort. I’d call MS to do it to make sure they know to replace only those nights. If you have extra points to use, you could also stalk and if any of those beginning or ending nights show up, book them, and then modify your current to drop those same nights. It was a few years back, but I did end up getting BWV this way for a long weekend in. 1 bedroom starting in June. But it started in 3 different rooms for 4 nights and slowly got it to all one. Of course, we were willing to do a split and had no kids with us. Just something to consider. But it certainly Is no longer a guarantee that 6 to 7 months out, you will be able to choose from multiple resorts, especially in the fall.
 

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