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Calling all Princesses! (2014 Princess Half Marathon Weekend)- thread #2

i asked this on the boards a while ago and no one knew. someone on one of the FB groups was talking about her today though and said her name is Ivanna Dream and she is just a character actor, not disney-specific, but she's always at the race.

Thanks!!! I appreciate the info. She was a hoot--when we went by she was actively discouraging everyone from ever doing another race (in jest of course). It was pretty funny stuff!
 
I'm quite sad about the pictures. I have one from the 10k and one from the half. That's all. A few more from the 5k. Because I was so worried about the time I didn't stop for any pictures anywhere. I can't believe that I only have one from the Half; I was really hoping for at least one decent one to buy and frame. If I ever do this again, I have to learn to play to the cameras, I guess. I don't even have finish line pictures-- how does that happen?

For the full marathon, when I got my medal taken at the very end, the photographer asked if she could move my belt to take a picture of my bib. I knew then that I wouldn't have any pics and I was right. BUT if you look towards the top-ish (not the very top) you'll "unidentified photos". You can then go through all the photos both with bib #s close to yours and then by by gender. I found almost 20 pics that way!! So maybe yours will be there!
 
And to Belle2211, so so sorry I couldn't make it to the meet up Saturday. I was just in so much pain we went back to the room so I could lay down and DH put some tiger balm on for me. Then we took the kids back out long enough to see Illuminations. PM me your address and I will get your package out ASAP!

No worries! At the meet up, I was given your phone number. I swear that I saved it--we even double checked but when I got home to text you, it wasn't there. So somehow I didn't save it right. Anyways, I sure hope that you're feeling better!!
 
Thanks!!! I appreciate the info. She was a hoot--when we went by she was actively discouraging everyone from ever doing another race (in jest of course). It was pretty funny stuff!

I saw Fairy Godmother at the same spot-- they must have been taking turns. I'm really glad to have seen her though, I was running as Perla.... She was very surprised to see anyone represent any of Cinderella's mice!
 


Oh my - SOOOOOOO many posts to catch up on! I'll get on it over lunch, but had to pop in and say CONGRATS fellow Princesses! It was a rough weekend of racing and I think every soul who toed the lines deserves a cheer! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

I had an absolutely amazing time, in and out of the races, and can't wait to recap it all. But I have to wait because real life is back and has a whole bunch of demands on my time. :headache::rotfl: For now, I've managed a Day One recap - the Expo.
 
Since when did people start jumping in front of the MarathonFoto photographers? I ran TOT and W&D this past fall and never experienced that.
ITA - a friend and I were talking about that through the last few miles of the half. Neither of us has EVER seen that in other rD races! We'd start getting ourselves over to the right or left for an upcoming photog and someone would - literally - push us aside to jump in. Crazy.

I left my room at Port Orleans Riverside at 320 am and went out to the bus stop… where I waited for 1 hour and 15 mins for a bus… completely unacceptable. Only 2 buses went by that whole time already full, and we had no phone # to call and no one at the front desk knew anything!! Ladies were crying and starting to panic, and when a full bus went by at 415 am, people ran into the street and screamed at it to stop. The driver actually did stop and 200 angry princesses screamed at him to call for a bus immediately. We finally got one at 425 and then the bus driver was so rude!! He wouldn’t let 3 people squish in a seat so people were actually hiding on the floor under seats because no one knew if another bus would ever come. :furious: It was just unacceptable, and people who paid for race retreat ect no longer had time to use it.
This is just INSANE! Totally, completely unacceptable. Please, please, please write to rD, WDW and maybe even Mears because this should never happen. I drove to the 5K and 10K, but saw a gazillion race buses going around my resort (CBR) both mornings, and watched a 2nd and 3rd bus pull up to my stop for the half in the time it took for me to walk from my building (near the lake) across the parking lot. How on earth can one resort have almost too many buses and another not have enough?! :sad2:


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About race etiquette... We all have different expectations and experiences and different doesn't necessarily equate to wrong or right. As a walker, I was faster than some other walkers and passed them, and as a runner I was slower than some other runners and they needed to pass me. I did the best I could to put myself behind - not beside- a fellow walker when walking anytime there wasn't ample open space around me and I felt like most others did the same. I started in J, stopped a ton for pics, walked a whole bunch and spent the last couple miles with bibs from every corral, A-P. It's the nature of the Disney beast: you'll have some folks pushing for PRs and some folks taking their time to enjoy the entertainment and the result is a hodge-podge of abilities and speeds sharing space. Chances are someone at some time is going to be in someone else's way, even if they don't intend to. I just tried to roll with what came my way and had a great time... even if I swore at mile 11 "No more Princess races!" :rotfl:
 
I don't understand this thing about the buses at POR. I never had to wait for a bus, and one day I was running late! I did only use the South Depot, because it was recommended to me by a veteran Princess on the Expo bus.
 


Just wanted to pop back and say Congratulations to everyone!:cool1:

I had a great time at all the events. I thought the expo was great on Thursday when I went. We had 2 kids races, 1 5k and 1 GSC packet to pick up as well as t-shirts, and all had no lines, and took very little time. I had my dad with me who hates to walk around, so I didn't shop much at the expo, but I did get an extra t-shirt and more compression socks, which I think were very useful.

I went to the 5k as a spectator, and had a great time watching. It made me feel at ease that the next two mornings would go smoothly, thereby calming my nerves I never slept more than a 2 hour stretch the night before I was so nervous about the logistics.

After my dad was done the 5k I headed to meet my husband and kids (who had slept in) for my kids to do the kids races. This is the only thing I would improve upon if I could. I have one heck of an independent almost 6 year old - more independent than I am comfortable with sometimes;) She insisted on doing her race alone, and although I was not fond of the idea, I felt I needed to let her have that accomplishment. But I did not see one other kid doing it alone. And when it came time to leave the corral, and for parents not racing with their kids to go to the finish I did not see any other parent leave. I think maybe RD could have had one staff member standing off to one side of the corral with kids who wanted to race alone. I would have felt way more comfortable leaving her with a group of similar aged kids than by herself in a group of adults and kids. But she did it by herself and I am very proud of her. My son did the 400 with my husband, and loved it.

The 10k was fantastic in my opinion. I know some people said it was boring in the beginning, but I liked it anyway. I get distracted easily, and then I go out to fast, so having a chance to really focus on the running initially helped me. My knee/ITB flared up around mile 4 so I walked/ran intervals a little, but I was able to run the last mile again. My favorite parts were running under test track, because I knew my kids would think it was cool and around the boardwalk/YC-BC area. One of our home DVC resorts is BWV, so I love it there. I went back to BLT, showered then returned to tour Epcot with the family. This is where I thought the compression socks were handy.

The half was tough for me. Shockingly this northerner who'd been used to single digits and ice covered roads was not bothered by the temps/humidity, although I was "Swampy" as my husband would refer to me at the finish:rotfl: But, my knee was just not feeling great that day. Just before 4 miles it really, really hurt. I had to walk way more than I ever intended. It buckled under me a few times. I was feeling so upset and frustrated just before the hill/underpass prior to the Contemporary. But, my husband, kids, parents, and sister were all waiting for me at the corner of the Bay Lake Tower/Comtemporary entrance. That gave me such a lift. To see them, and especially my kids cheering me on and looking proud was amazing. I held it together and got through the magic kingdom ok. Stopped for a few pictures of the castle, and with Tiana. From the Grand Floridian on though my knee was just on and off really bad. I stopped at the medical tent by the Hess station and slathered on biofreeze, and repeated at the next medical stop. That stuff is a miracle! Going to have to get some. I was panicked about how my pace was holding up and texted my husband who was back in our room at BLT to make sure people were still going by and they were. That calmed me down. I figured I could slow to a 20 min mile if I had to and still finish. In the end I finished in 2:50, which is about 3 minutes per mile off my expected pace. But with my knee pain, and especially once it started feeling like it was buckling, I am happy I got through at all!

I meant to get the race retreat, and was watching for it to get close to selling out. I checked it one day and for the GSC it said 82% sold, the next it was gone. I was sad and mad at myself for waiting. But, honestly, I am glad I did not have it. I left the CR on the monorail at 4:00 each morning, and never felt like I did an excessive amount of waiting. In fact, all I think the race retreat would have done for me would have been make me wake up earlier. So lesson learned there:)

I loved the whole weekend. I was supposed to do it with my sister who deferred to next year due to a high risk pregnancy. I was afraid I would not want to do it again, but, I am so looking forward to joining her next year!
 
Hello,
I don't usually do race recaps but thought I would go ahead and chime in.
First, thank you all for being an absolutely world class support group-wow, sisterhood is alive and well in this thread!

I started "run/walk" Disney races in 2010 with a 5K at age 57 and have been swept up in the run Disney enthusiasm!

So far I've completed 8 half marathons, the inaugural 10Ks this year, a few 5Ks and earned 3 coast to coast - gosh do I love the pink/purple!
I'm 60 and will keep on run/walk ing until I can't!

so, my recap is:
Loved staying off property - I'm DVC but also usually stay at the Pop. Never an issue there with buses to the races but came with a friend this time so decided to stay a week and try one of John/Kevin's Dream Villas - AWESOME! We had beautiful gifts waiting for us and an upgrade to a 4 bedroom/3 1/2 bath condo - right by pool/hot tub/gated community and a 10 minute drive to Epcot/Wide world of sports - I rented a mid size car for $125 incl. tax for the week (thank you Mousesavers for the discount code). Condo was $700 for the week - I will never do a hotel again-I was assured quiet as I had to be up at 2:30 am 3 mornings in a row and didn't bother my girlfriend as she only ran the 10K. Right across from Sam's club and Target/Publix.

Loved the expo - thank goodness it was at the WWS. very calm. My friend and I were there at 7:30 am. Expo was supposed to open at 10 am but opened at 9 am. I already had my new balance shoes from January so not sure how that process went this time - I had to come back Friday since the special inserts were delayed arriving until Friday but I picked up my Princess and C2C inserts.
I thought the Glass Slipper challenge items were nice but no mugs this year and the 10 K stuff very sparse - only that t shirt, pins and magnet that I saw.
I picked up a glass slipper tech jacket and t shirt(I'm a crazy shopper by the way), magnet, wine glass, pins, and vinylmation medal. Also dooney and bourkes-the new purses were sold out by end of day Thursday. You have to get to the expo first day or you don't get what you want in terms of sizes/purses-usually.
I love all the booths - merchants are always so nice and helpful but my particular favorites are Endure - amazing designs and I love supporting them. Also the sparkle skirts booths as well as "Beecause (shoe) charms". Raw Threads is also awesome.

5K was a last minute sign up once I saw the t shirt-so cute. Although it was very humid not an issue as only 3.1 miles so nice prep run for Glass Slipper Challenge. I run/walk a 14 minute mile so was done by 7:30 am - I was in the last corral due to the last minute sign up but at the front - everyone was very courteous and followed race etiquette (walkers right/runners left). It was strange to see first person done with race before Corral E started but oh well. They released the corrals at 8 minutes apart but only 10,000 participants so very relaxed. I dressed in a New Balance Cinderella t shirt/blue sparkle skirt/capris/new balance cinderella shoes. Loved the two ladies who dressed as Dooney and Bourke Haunted Mansion purses.
10K-same thing - in Corral E - not sure why since my girlfriend was put in D and she is not even at a 16 min. pace but she came back with me. Very humid. First time I have ever seen the balloon ladies so close - I was staying with my friend as although she had trained for a 15 min. mile she was not able to keep that pace. She said later she had no idea how hard this was but was very proud she finished and wasn't swept. We crossed the finish line at a 15.96 minute/mile pace. Whew! Again, about 15,000 participants - nice people. Great costumes. Same course as we had in January. We dressed in green and white so Tinkerbell basically.

I never stop for character pictures as I'm too slow and always have to use the bathroom LOL! But there seemed to be enough characters.

FYI - I do a 1:1 ratio.

The half was another story. Today I was purple and in Corral L but I absolutely agree with kappyfamily. Yikes, I have never seen such a crowd - not even at Tinkerbell. The reunion area and the other gathering area was so crowded. And it stayed that way throughout the half. Character stops were fun-I really liked the lady villians/mirror and the gents with the glass slipper but I'm not fast enough to take that much time. Plenty of water stops but race etiquette went out the window - people shoving past-several walking abreast; not on the right - lots of times I just gave up and walked as I couldn't get around people and/or didn't want to slip and fall running on grass or around cones. Plenty of water stops and it wasn't as humid but still..it is 13.1 miles and it was warm. I didn't see anyone lose their cookies but did see one runner with the EMTs on the side - hope she is ok. Anyway, I cried at the finish - I did the back to back in January at the Tinkerbell but to do it again and receive all those awesome medals was something else. Thank goodness for Jeff Galloway and his run/walk method - I would never be there otherwise.
I finished in 3 hours 5 minutes - 14 minute pace-and would have been under 3 hrs if I wasn't weaving around folks but am happy to be run and one. Only one potty stop too! A first for me LOL!
I won't do Princess again - too crazy - will just stick with Tinkerbell races but wish everyone all the best and thank you again for the support on this thread.

Any questions I am happy to answer!
 
Just wanted to pop back and say Congratulations to everyone!:cool1:

I had a great time at all the events. I thought the expo was great on Thursday when I went. We had 2 kids races, 1 5k and 1 GSC packet to pick up as well as t-shirts, and all had no lines, and took very little time. I had my dad with me who hates to walk around, so I didn't shop much at the expo, but I did get an extra t-shirt and more compression socks, which I think were very useful.

I went to the 5k as a spectator, and had a great time watching. It made me feel at ease that the next two mornings would go smoothly, thereby calming my nerves I never slept more than a 2 hour stretch the night before I was so nervous about the logistics.

After my dad was done the 5k I headed to meet my husband and kids (who had slept in) for my kids to do the kids races. This is the only thing I would improve upon if I could. I have one heck of an independent almost 6 year old - more independent than I am comfortable with sometimes;) She insisted on doing her race alone, and although I was not fond of the idea, I felt I needed to let her have that accomplishment. But I did not see one other kid doing it alone. And when it came time to leave the corral, and for parents not racing with their kids to go to the finish I did not see any other parent leave. I think maybe RD could have had one staff member standing off to one side of the corral with kids who wanted to race alone. I would have felt way more comfortable leaving her with a group of similar aged kids than by herself in a group of adults and kids. But she did it by herself and I am very proud of her. My son did the 400 with my husband, and loved it.

The 10k was fantastic in my opinion. I know some people said it was boring in the beginning, but I liked it anyway. I get distracted easily, and then I go out to fast, so having a chance to really focus on the running initially helped me. My knee/ITB flared up around mile 4 so I walked/ran intervals a little, but I was able to run the last mile again. My favorite parts were running under test track, because I knew my kids would think it was cool and around the boardwalk/YC-BC area. One of our home DVC resorts is BWV, so I love it there. I went back to BLT, showered then returned to tour Epcot with the family. This is where I thought the compression socks were handy.

The half was tough for me. Shockingly this northerner who'd been used to single digits and ice covered roads was not bothered by the temps/humidity, although I was "Swampy" as my husband would refer to me at the finish:rotfl: But, my knee was just not feeling great that day. Just before 4 miles it really, really hurt. I had to walk way more than I ever intended. It buckled under me a few times. I was feeling so upset and frustrated just before the hill/underpass prior to the Contemporary. But, my husband, kids, parents, and sister were all waiting for me at the corner of the Bay Lake Tower/Comtemporary entrance. That gave me such a lift. To see them, and especially my kids cheering me on and looking proud was amazing. I held it together and got through the magic kingdom ok. Stopped for a few pictures of the castle, and with Tiana. From the Grand Floridian on though my knee was just on and off really bad. I stopped at the medical tent by the Hess station and slathered on biofreeze, and repeated at the next medical stop. That stuff is a miracle! Going to have to get some. I was panicked about how my pace was holding up and texted my husband who was back in our room at BLT to make sure people were still going by and they were. That calmed me down. I figured I could slow to a 20 min mile if I had to and still finish. In the end I finished in 2:50, which is about 3 minutes per mile off my expected pace. But with my knee pain, and especially once it started feeling like it was buckling, I am happy I got through at all!

I meant to get the race retreat, and was watching for it to get close to selling out. I checked it one day and for the GSC it said 82% sold, the next it was gone. I was sad and mad at myself for waiting. But, honestly, I am glad I did not have it. I left the CR on the monorail at 4:00 each morning, and never felt like I did an excessive amount of waiting. In fact, all I think the race retreat would have done for me would have been make me wake up earlier. So lesson learned there:)

I loved the whole weekend. I was supposed to do it with my sister who deferred to next year due to a high risk pregnancy. I was afraid I would not want to do it again, but, I am so looking forward to joining her next year!

I thought the volunteers were awesome as were the cheering spectators!
 
i am so sorry you experienced that. we experienced the same issue at POR last time we did it, and that's why we chose a different resort this time. i am surprised that there was not a CM there to call for a bus though? there was when we were there, and it still did not help much but at least someone was advocating for us. very unfortunate.


That's really unfortunate that this seems to be a common thing at POR. I've stayed at POFQ once for W&D and had no issues whatsoever! It's a shame because we really enjoyed POR this time, really quiet and no loud children or cheerleaders late at night (there is usually a cheerleading comp this weekend too). Yeah unfortunately there was no CM or volunteer at our stop. We were at Magnolia Terrace stop and literally had nothing we could do. I feel like it would be such an easy fix to send a volunteer with a radio out to every single bus stop. RD doesn't even have to pay them, and of course people would volunteer for this. Then we would have at least known that someone had gotten a call through for buses. Such a frustrating experience :headache:

This was my experience at POR for the 2013 Marathon. And I liked the resort, but never again during a race weekend. We actually stopped a full bus in the street and the driver let us sit/stand in the aisle.

Exactly what we were attempting at that point. The driver wouldn't let us stand there so someone's husband literally made the driver call for a bus before he left.

I am at POR and never had an issue getting a bus. Were you waiting at the South Depot?

We were at Magnolia Terrace stop, or apparently bus stop E. My boyfriend literally ran to the lobby at 415 to try to get us a bus by any means necessary and there was a volunteer there who had requested 4 buses to stop E which we had no idea what that meant! I guess E was how the bus company and RD designated the stops but of course we did not have this information. He was then able to get on a bus almost immediately from the lobby so next year we are just going to go up to the lobby. Thankfully our buses came right after he got on his. Sounds like more people at the lobby but more frequent buses.

I stayed at POFQ this weekend and transportation was fine. The buses went to French Quarter first and then to other stops at Riverside. I was on the bus that the runners stopped and screamed at - the issue was that the buses were always stopping at that stop last so they were full from the first three stops. Hopefully in the future, they'll either have stops on separate buses or vary the order they stop in!

That was the problem we discovered after we went back to the resort following the half. The buses were supposed to get us after POFQ when they would obviously be full. On the way back after the half, we could see where they just exited the resort property after picking up at POFQ instead of coming on to pick us up, I guess assuming that someone else would get us, which is really not ok :furious: I'm sure you saw quite a few extremely angry princesses when your bus (thankfully) stopped haha!

This is just INSANE! Totally, completely unacceptable. Please, please, please write to rD, WDW and maybe even Mears because this should never happen. I drove to the 5K and 10K, but saw a gazillion race buses going around my resort (CBR) both mornings, and watched a 2nd and 3rd bus pull up to my stop for the half in the time it took for me to walk from my building (near the lake) across the parking lot. How on earth can one resort have almost too many buses and another not have enough?! :sad2:


Already done :thumbsup2 It was a very long letter, and definitely not the nicest letter in the world :lmao: I'm hoping to hear back from them within 7-9 days and if not, I'm planning to follow up and email them again because this was just so unacceptable and I need to know what will be done to fix this issue. We actually stayed at CBR last year and had to wait for a bus for 35 mins and thought that was bad! A lady had some magic number that she called last year (seriously, magic number...) and then promised everyone at the bus stop that there would be a bus in <5 mins. Literally a minute later 3 buses appeared... We have no idea who she called but we needed that number this year!

It just seems like this should be an easy fix. Traffic I understand, but we just need a CM at each bus stop to let us know that we have been heard. That's what was so frustrating to us because we thought they had just forgotten about us and we had no way of knowing what was going to happen :(


I don't understand this thing about the buses at POR. I never had to wait for a bus, and one day I was running late! I did only use the South Depot, because it was recommended to me by a veteran Princess on the Expo bus.

Neither do we, but it just looks like our stop was at a very unfortunate location. This was my 4th Princess half and 5th RD event and I've never had an issue like this. We've been at All-Star sports, POFQ, and CBR before with very little delays (CBR was 35 mins last year but minimal compared to this). It just made no sense and seems like we were the only ones who had this problem. I guess that's a good thing that it was limited to just one stop but unfortunate that it happened at all :(



We will have to see what RD says about this. I really just want to know that my complaint was heard and that they acknowledge the issue. We will have to see... Very frustrating but regardless, there were definitely still good things that happened, including seeing one of my best friends finish her first half with a fractured foot and she still had an amazing time! Such an amazing accomplishment and I'm really happy that most people seemed to have a wonderful time. My amazing experiences from previous years will be why I will be back again for (a hopefully better) next year :goodvibes
 
Question for those of you who stayed at monorail resorts for the PHM. We're considering a Poly/BWI split for marathon weekend in 2015. We thought bus service from BWI for PHM weekend was outstanding - and so convenient to hop on the bus after the race. Never a wait - for either the 5K or the PHM - and really close to the finish line.

So I'm trying to decide whether we should schedule the BWI portion of our stay or the Poly portion of our stay for the morning of the full marathon. For those of you who used the monorail for PHM - how far is it from the staging area and what are your thoughts on the return to the resort? I should have paid more attention when we were there last weekend, but we just beelined for that BWI bus!
 
DD and I stayed at BLT. I think the monorail was very nice to use. Only mishap that happened was that we weren't paying close attention to the signs on the way back from Epcot and got off the monorail from Epcot at the transfer hub, went down the ramp and back up the next ramp. We were busy chatting and suddenly realized we were on our way back to Epcot! :lmao: Almost did this a second time until we asked a cm if we were on the right one. He said no and we had to go down the ramp against oncoming people and walk a little farther to the ramp under the sign that said Resorts...:rolleyes1 I don't know what we were looking at that led us to the wrong one. We've never stayed at a monorail resort before and usually have DH and my boys to follow..:laughing:

Friends staying at Pop said they had to wait 1 and 1/2 hours for the bus after the race and it was VERY hot in the sun!

The monorail was a little bit of a walk from where you end because you have to go back to the front of Epcot, but it's really not a big deal.

Note about BLT - the night before the marathon, we went to bed at 8, only to be woken at 10 to the BOOMS of Wishes!! We had MK view and could also hear the ferry boats honking and the train whistling. Not a wise choice for the night before the marathon I guess :(, but great for Sunday night when we just couldn't get ourselves to the park like I had hoped.
 
anyone else missing photos on marathonfoto? i'm at least missing the one with tiana/naveen/louis from the half.

I feel like I am. I just looked and had a new one from the half so they may still be putting some up. wish I had written a few notes after each race because I can't remember one from the other as far as character photos.

On another note, I can down with a horrible cold: sore throat, headache, stuffy nose, yesterday, so glad I didn't have this last weekend.
 
I feel like I am. I just looked and had a new one from the half so they may still be putting some up. wish I had written a few notes after each race because I can't remember one from the other as far as character photos. On another note, I can down with a horrible cold: sore throat, headache, stuffy nose, yesterday, so glad I didn't have this last weekend.

Someone on Facebook said it can take a couple of weeks for them to identify everyone's pictures.
 
But for now, I want to give a shout out to the WISHers and especially to Lisa, if it weren't for her, I'd still be finding my way to Corral M!! Love you Lisa, you rock!!!

Do you know what Lisa looks like? I ask because before we reached MK (I think that's where we were, I was quite disoriented on the highway stretches ;)) there was a lady coaching two princesses and I couldn't help but overhear her. She was phenomenal the way she was encouraging them and talking them through every step of the way. :worship: It sounded as if she was their trainer perhaps. I made a point to tell her she was awesome! Anyway, just curious - this lady was a blonde wearing mostly black clothing with a hat.

:goodvibes
 
So for next year, would submitting even my very slow times from this year -- 1:38 10k, 3:34 half -- move me up a corral or two for the half? I was in P this year and it was a struggle at times to get around people. I was also afraid to stop for anything because I didn't feel I had any cushion from the dreaded balloon ladies. Even being in O would have given me the confidence to stop for a few pictures-- or to at least use the bathroom lol.
 
Someone on Facebook said it can take a couple of weeks for them to identify everyone's pictures.

it should, but when they are still identifying there's a note at the top of the page saying "we are still identifying photos from this race." that note is now gone on mine. i even looked through the unidentified and found none of tiana, so i don't get it. i KNOW there was a MF photographer there because i don't have a picture on my camera and i definitely stopped there.
 

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