VWL Groupies & Lovers Thread (Special Collectors Edition 2.0) updated 21 June 2023

I see a new post on Humphrey's Wilderness Lodge page about yet another change at Geyser Point.

Rumor/Update:

I heard from a very reliable source that the operations and menu are changing at Geyser Point. Recent updates to the operations have you check in to be seated in the bar and grill area. Going forward, the walk-up window will be for "To-Go" orders only, with additional seating being placed behind Salon by the Springs. The bar and grill will get a completely new and separate menu from the QS window.
Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/Unofficialwildernesslodgepages/


It seems that they really didn't think the whole thing through about the Geyser Point/counter service combo situation. I'm fine with the changes, and I hope they have a real food service menu at GP instead of just the bar appetizers.
Read this, as well, and I have similar thoughts. I've never felt that the purposed design of GP was well conceived. "We need a QS by the new pool!" Fine, but there was such little seating to begin at GP, it's as if they expected people to walk away with food rather than sit. The three times we visited GP, it was clear there wasn't enough seating. Each time, we would see a family of three or four seated at an area that would easily seat eight because there weren't a lot of tables that only sat four, for example. I don't mind the wait to be seated aspect for that very reason. Still, the more casual walk up and sit down will be missed. I'm with you, KAT--will the QS window survive? They need something for the new pool, I guess, though we managed to survive for a long time without one when it was Hidden Springs. I do hope they add some more quality dishes to GP. We miss the salmon BLT, for instance, something to counter beef and bison.
 
Chiming in on the GP changes. Our 1st experiences there were back in March, then again in May. I liked the feel of it then. I liked the food choices. Then in Dec. we went there twice. My immediate concern was the seating. The feel of it before was laid back, Territory Lounge like. You walk in, grab a seat if available and hang out. Now, its a bit too formal for what it was trying to capture IMO.
As Sleepy said, the food changes too aren't as appealing as before. So we found ourselves going back to TL to hang out in Dec
 
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We stayed in one of those 2 beds on the corner facing the pool once(I believe it was room #2519). It was our first experience ever in a 2 bed, and all other 2 beds since have been compared to that one. Ask for near elevator as 1st request, then its just a matter of whether you have a preference of floor level. Then as time approaches, 2 1/2 weeks out minimum, call MS and ask for a specific room # as your choice. I know this sounds like a wild chance in hades of happening, but a CM at MS told me when I was making room requests with just a matter of weeks to go(I understand they issue rooms about 2 weeks to go)at BWV, I could make a room # request. Lo and behold he was right!!
 
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We’re planning a trip for the 3rd week in December. We have a BWV owner lined up and ready to go at the 11 month mark for a 2 bedroom villa. We are excited to stay at BWV, but of curiosity, what are the chances of a 2 bedroom being open at BRV at the 7 month mark?
 


We’re planning a trip for the 3rd week in December. We have a BWV owner lined up and ready to go at the 11 month mark for a 2 bedroom villa. We are excited to stay at BWV, but of curiosity, what are the chances of a 2 bedroom being open at BRV at the 7 month mark?
Welcome, catfan! I'd say your odds will be long. There aren't a ton of 2BRs at VWL (sorry, I still call it that), so they tend to go quickly at 11 months. Same for studios since they cost less. The 1BRs have a little more leeway, but even those are usually gone well before the 7-month point. HOWEVER, wait lists do work on occasion, and it's certainly worth a try. Good luck!
 
We’re planning a trip for the 3rd week in December. We have a BWV owner lined up and ready to go at the 11 month mark for a 2 bedroom villa. We are excited to stay at BWV, but of curiosity, what are the chances of a 2 bedroom being open at BRV at the 7 month mark?
Not very likely, and reason why is its the smallest DVC resort at WDW. Its very popular in Dec because of the decorations and the whole resort embodies the Holiday spirit. Owners tend to get the reservations pretty quickly. The owner can always waitlist, but I would make sure you have the BWV ressies no matter what. Good luck and Moose Dust(its our version of Pixie Dust round these parts)to you!!
 
Welcome, catfan! I'd say your odds will be long. There aren't a ton of 2BRs at VWL (sorry, I still call it that), so they tend to go quickly at 11 months. Same for studios since they cost less. The 1BRs have a little more leeway, but even those are usually gone well before the 7-month point. HOWEVER, wait lists do work on occasion, and it's certainly worth a try. Good luck!

Thank you for the reply sleepydog! I don’t know that we would want or try to change, as the kids really love the Epcot area. This is good info to know just in case, though, if the thought were to occur. :-)
 


We’re planning a trip for the 3rd week in December. We have a BWV owner lined up and ready to go at the 11 month mark for a 2 bedroom villa. We are excited to stay at BWV, but of curiosity, what are the chances of a 2 bedroom being open at BRV at the 7 month mark?

11 months at VWL would be very good odds but I agree at 7 months it's unlikely - might be a couple of the days available but it's probably going to have holes in the week. Never know though and if the owner is willing to waitlist for you then it doesn't hurt to try as people do make changes to plans.
 
Thank you for the reply sleepydog! I don’t know that we would want or try to change, as the kids really love the Epcot area. This is good info to know just in case, though, if the thought were to occur. :-)
There are no bad resorts, and the proximity to Epcot and DHS from BWV is a nice perk of renting there. I don't know how often you've rented before, but if you continue to do so, I think the kids (and you!) will truly enjoy the Lodge area. For us, it's more immersive into theming than most other resorts. At BWV, though, there will certainly be lots to do and see.
 
I saw that Granny! Personally I wonder how long that counter service will be there. If they aren't really providing seating? This is a pipe dream but as it was likely thought to be easy access to food for those at the pool maybe they'd start wait service. Not really the Disney way sadly but I'd be thinking about it if I was them. :goodvibes

Well, if you’re at VGC you get poolside wait service (food & bev)....maybe we just need some California Nice....
 
Well, if you’re at VGC you get poolside wait service (food & bev)....maybe we just need some California Nice....

Oh my goodness, yes! I just got off an un-solicited call from DL - this was from the VGC room assignor due to a particular request that was on our reservation (also have a hotel room so not the norm) but going well out of their way to try and get what we were looking for. And a couple of days ago checking on our Gluten free request for the WOC dessert package. And yesterday I spent quite a bit of time on the phone with with the VGC front desk about some other needs for the room.
 
Oh my goodness, yes! I just got off an un-solicited call from DL - this was from the VGC room assignor due to a particular request that was on our reservation (also have a hotel room so not the norm) but going well out of their way to try and get what we were looking for. And a couple of days ago checking on our Gluten free request for the WOC dessert package. And yesterday I spent quite a bit of time on the phone with with the VGC front desk about some other needs for the room.

Yeah, I feel blessed to have gotten two Trips to VGC while the Wilderness construction has been going on. But now, I’m a bit concerned because I was spoiled with all the added special stuff that comes with staying there. Florida will really have to wow me to not make me think of going back to California— I love VGC & the way the two parks lay out. Let’s face it, customer service and attention to detail at VGC, Disneyland, & California Adventures is really really good.
 
Good morning groupies. I am writing this note from room 3935 in the villas at wilderness lodge. Only two days remaining on our trip. Flying home on Sunday if Lord is willing. Weather in Illinois is terrible with more snow today. We feel the effects here. Chilly at night, but comfortable overall. I got heaping mound of pixie dust on the day of arrival. Post it when I have keyboard.

i have noticed LOTS of helicopters overhead. Yesterday at HS there were three overhead at one time. Not a pilot, but it appeared that they were all flying in similar pattern. Nothing for awhile then I would see one on same flight path. Then another. Soon after another. Same experience at Epcot but it was late afternoon (went to candlelight) and it did not attract my attention much. Did any of you that were early December see or notice this? Seemed like they were watching or searching. Am I crazy or do you have thoughts about this?

I noticed the helicopters too. Flying over DHS & Epcot all the time during our stay.

Wow three hours to get out of the garage at Disney Springs today :scared1:. I heard they closed MK at 11:30 AM today. Now explain to me again why people want to be at WDW on New Year's Eve?

Well we were there! I purposely booked BCV so we would not have to leave the resort & deal with any traffic. We did MK on 12/30 for the preview fireworks which was a bit of a bust. Fireworks themselves were incredible (what we saw of them). By the time we got off HM & started making our way towards the hub CMs weren't letting anyone else into the hub (even though it seemed to me there was plenty of room). They herded us shoulder to should over the bridge between Liberty Square & Adventureland towards Main St. & kept telling us keep moving, keep moving. :mad: There really was nowhere to move to & by that time the fireworks had started. We didn't get a good view of the beginning & by the time we finally got close to Crystal Palace I finally just stopped. There was no place we could have gone & I at least wanted to see the grand finale. Finale was everything I heard it would be, but I just wish we could have seen the entire show without looking over our shoulder & trying not to step on people. Had I known the hub would be closed we would have gone around the back of the castle instead.

NYE at Epcot was interesting. We had 5:15 ADR at Via Napoli. Wasn't too bad crowdwise then. We finished dinner just as holiday Illuminations was ending. We watched from Italy & then Whoa Nelly! The crowds came out of nowhere! It was packed but at least manageable to walk until we got to about China. By Norway we were shoulder to shoulder the entire width across the WS walkway. One lane of traffic was getting through going in the opposite direction of WS. Of course we had FPs for TT so we had to go in that direction. It was a bit scary being that packed in. The woman next to me started to freak out a little. Thankfully when we arrived at Mexico they were shuttling people around the back of the pavilion which comes out at TT. We waited close to 45 min. in the FP line to ride TT. By 8:30 we were done. There was no point in fighting the crowds. People were already staking out spots on the grass around the lagoons (small ones near the entrance to WS). People had blankets & clearly planned to be there until midnight. I had no idea people did that as this was our first NYE trip. It was cold & I didn't want to sit on the grass doing nothing for hours so we headed out. We watched the fireworks from the YC boat dock. That turned out to be a really good idea because as the Epcot fireworks were just getting to the finale the fireworks started at DHS & DS as well. We had fireworks going off all around us. It was pretty cool. So now we know if we ever do another NYE trip stay at BCV & don't bother going to Epcot or bring a blanket, food, & plan to hang out for a long time. All in all it was fun & I wouldn't be opposed to doing it again but it wouldn't be something I do every year. I have a bucket list item to see the NYE fireworks over Sydney harbor. I anticipate that will get crossed off my list within the next few years.


Someone may be walking Villas Wilderness Lodge Studios the first day of booking is blocked. What you want is not a slam dunk.

I found that out today. Checked a few days ago for a standard view studio at BLT for 12/8-12. It was available but the nights before it were not. Walkers. Logged in exactly at 8:00 today & the night of the 8th was gone. It was too early to book 9-12 so I waitlisted 8-12 & then figured I'd check tomorrow for 9-12 & then waitlist the single night of 12/8. Lake view was available but it would have meant borrowing 15 points vs 3. VWL was available for 61 points for all nights but I would have needed to borrow all of those. Checked again about an hour ago. Nights of 12/8 & 9 are now gone at BLT for standard studio & the night of 12/8 was gone for a studio at VWL. :headache: I grabbed the lake view studio at BLT. I didn't really want to borrow but I didn't want to risk not getting anything. This is my first time booking early Dec. It's harder than Christmas! :mad:

@sleepydog25 can you add me to the vacation list for 12/8-12 at BLT? Thanks!

5th floor is indeed a lock-off. We were in 5519 - the 1-bdrm side was enormous! The studio side seemed to me to be smaller than a regular studio.

And we've been in 5517 twice! Loved that room so much.

Sleepy - please add DiznyDi & I to the list for VWL Dec. 7th thru the 14th.

Hooray we overlap!

Happy New Year groupies! Took me awhile to catch up again. We had a mostly good trip with a few hiccups. See my review of 12/30 & 31 above. On our arrival day (28th) we had planned to head to DS for a mid afternoon lunch, but DH wanted to see the final version of construction so we drove over to VWL. It was easier to do it this day as we only had the car for a one day rental. Didn't work out so well. Guard refused to let us in. We really were there to eat & spend money but he said no not without a reservation. My reply was they don't take reservations at GP to which he replied well I guess you're not coming in then. :mad: He was kind of rude. So we had to U-turn & head to DS anyway. Drove out of our way to VWL & then couldn't get in. We did make it back there on on 2nd MK day 1/2 & I was so sad the tree was already down. :sad2: So DH never got to see that which was a bummer since he hasn't been to the Lodge at Christmas in 2 years. GP was closed because it was cold & windy. The entire trip was cold & windy. We had 2 decent days the entire week which was disappointing especially after it had been so cold during my earlier in Dec. trip. So overall our trip(s) to the Lodge were kind of a bust. DH did say he thought they did a nice job with GP & the overall landscaping, but he agreed with me the new pool is awful. Stupid boulders. :headache: Our room at BCV was in good shape but on the road side a few doors down from the loading dock. Not a great location for me as I'm a very light sleeper. Didn't get a good night's sleep all week. Our dryer barely worked. What is up with the dryers in DVC units? This happens to us all the time. I called maintenance & they did come, but even after they came it still took 3 cycles to dry a load. Not acceptable. Also had very low water pressure in the shower & had to turn the faucet all the way up as far as it went to get hot water. We did get a full cleaning on our T&T day. No idea why. I think the maid just made a mistake. WiFi at BC was the worst I've ever experienced & I think it was just BC because it seemed to work fine other places. We also got stuck & couldn't fly out on Thu. because of the storm. I rebooked our flights for Wed. night to get out ahead of it. Watched the flight all day (9 pm flight). It was delayed 15 min. all day. 2 min. from turning into the rental return car at MCO we get a text flight is cancelled. No explanation just cancelled. Thank goodness for the traffic around the airport because if there hadn't been traffic I would have returned the car & we would have been stuck. Luckily we had a room to go back to at BCV, but there wasn't a room to be found anywhere on property for Thu. night because of the marathon. I ended up booking a room at the Hyatt since our 2nd rescheduled flight for Fri. was 7:40 a.m. We spent most of Thu. just hanging around. DH had no park tickets left so we played pool, went to the movies, then had dinner at Homecomin' before heading to the airport. Hyatt was nice enough & certainly very convenient to just get up & walk downstairs but once again not great for a light sleeper.

That probably sounds like we had a terrible trip, but we really didn't. DH loved FOP & we had planned to go again on Wed morning but it was raining pretty hard so that was a no. Crowds overall (except NYE) were what we have come to expect from our many trips over Christmas so manageable for us. We had so much good food! Went to tea at GF, light dinner at Cali Grill, excellent dinner & visit with my bartender friend at Flying Fish, tried Morimoto for the 1st time (OMG the ribs!), lunch at the Boathouse bar (get the filet mignon sliders a bargain!). Met some friends at Jellyrolls Fri. night. So much fun (and too many drinks I won't lie!). DH was doing shots at the bar with my friends from another board. Who are you & what have you done with my husband?! :laughing: He really is not a big drinker so that was pretty funny. He said my friends are crazy & he can see why I like them so much. :rotfl: I have definitely come to see, if I didn't know already, Disney is all about the food & visiting with friends for me now. The parks are fun but I'm more into the food. DS is a foodie destination now. They did a great job there. Can't wait until Wine Bar George opens.

So that was our trip & I head back again in 46 days. I've got 46 days to lose the weight I gained. ::yes::
 
@horselover - Dare I say that Disney is in danger of being a victim of its own success? While I realize some of the issues you found were, for lack of a better word, understandable, it's clear to see there's a brewing problem with crowd management as well as room management. I don't know what they can do about "walkers" (likely nothing), but it's increasingly a problem. When you can't get into your home resort at 11 months, it becomes an issue, and I don't care that it's at a typically tough time of the year to book. The truth is, it's becoming the norm thanks to so many events that Disney has instituted over the past several years. I love my DVC, but I no longer recommend it to people who ask me about it. When you can't even be guaranteed a reservation at 11 months, then there's a reduced value in owning DVC. That's also one of the prime reasons we'll likely never add on. A 100-pt contract will run you well into five figures, and that essentially guarantees you little. I'm glad you wound up having a good time, and like you, we're finding the parks are holding less and less appeal. It's no wonder they're improving DS.
 
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@horselover - Dare I say that Disney is in danger of being a victim of its own success? While I realize some of the issues you found were, for lack of a better word, understandable, it's clear to see there's a brewing problem with crowd management as well as room management. I don't know what they can do about "walkers" (likely nothing), but it's increasingly a problem. When you can't get into your home resort at 11 months, it becomes an issue, and I don't care that it's at a typically tough time of the year to book. The truth is, it's becoming the norm thanks to so many events that Disney has instituted over the past several years. I love my DVC, but I no longer recommend it to people who ask me about it. When you can't even be guaranteed a reservation at 11 months, then there's a reduced value in owning DVC. That's also one of the prime reasons we'll likely never add on. A 100-pt contract will run you well into five figures, and that essentially guarantees you little. I'm glad you wound up having a good time, and like you, we're finding the parks are holding less and less appeal. It's no wonder they're improving DS.

Interesting that you say this, I have been wondering if the early December times have gotten such that booking a hotel reservation is more rational than going with points. I’m also still eagerly waiting to see what happens to the ability for PVB owners to book once it is completely sold out....
 
Interesting that you say this, I have been wondering if the early December times have gotten such that booking a hotel reservation is more rational than going with points. I’m also still eagerly waiting to see what happens to the ability for PVB owners to book once it is completely sold out....

PVB standard views were/are gone for several days in early December. Lakeview was but seems like people freaked and started walking and now they were back when I looked earlier. It's pretty much following other resorts.
 
Through random persistence (i.e., not checking every single day, but checking when i thought about it), I was able to put together a full week (6 nights) in a standard studio at PVB. It was a complete shock. I had the first three nights, then the last, then 4th night. And just as I was about to give up (~34 days prior to check in), the 5th night popped up. It was very strange to me how just individual nights would randomly show up! This was for the week after Thanksgiving (11/26-12/2).
 
. . . . . . By Norway we were shoulder to shoulder the entire width across the WS walkway. . . . . . . It was a bit scary being that packed in. The woman next to me started to freak out a little. . . . . . .

We had the same type of experience when visiting HS and the Osborne Lights. It was literally shoulder to shoulder, chest to back type of a squeezing crowd. I commented at the time to DiznyDi that I hoped no one had a heart attack or some other medical need, as there would be no way help could get close very quickly. There were a few close to the panic mode. They routed a dense crowd in back behind Streets of America and into the lights from the back side. Once on the SoA, you had to move with the crowd, similar to standing in front of the Castle in MK by Casey's and the fireworks show just ended (Yeah, that was scary, too). DiznyDi & I tend to stay away from events that make you want to "Moo" out loud as the crowd moves along. DiznyDi hates when I do that. :teeth:
 
The truth is, it's becoming the norm thanks to so many events that Disney has instituted over the past several years. I love my DVC, but I no longer recommend it to people who ask me about it. When you can't even be guaranteed a reservation at 11 months, then there's a reduced value in owning DVC.

So - I would like to point out, with only a few exceptions - it really is only the first two weeks of December, and particular to studios that this is a problem. I suppose if that is the time you have to go - and I am guessing many people feel they have to go at this time since it is so popular - then yeah I would maybe recommend against it, but for 96% of the year there is really no problem getting your home at 11 months out. And for me personally, early December is extremely low on my priority list. We took one trip to Disney early December (2009) and while I enjoyed the holiday stuff, I found that (a) it was WAAYYY too crowded for my taste even back then - might still be the most crowded trip I've ever taken and (b) there's so much stuff that needs to get done to prepare for Christmas I found the weeks leading up to the trip and after the trip were absolutely miserable as we tried to decorate and get presents bought and wrapped and shipping..etc. I would prefer to go before Thanksgiving and see the decorations and then have Christmas season at home. That's just me, but the craze of early December DVC booking doesn't affect me at all.

I do agree I wish there was something that could be done about "walking" without really screwing up the DVC experience. I have done it myself out of necessity, but if they found a way to eliminate it I would be all for it. I've always perhaps thought they could limit the number of changes to a reservation. Perhaps you can change your reservation 3 times for free, but after that it's a $25 fee. While it wouldn't eliminate walking, it could cut it back. (Probably a debate for another thread.)
 
PVB standard views were/are gone for several days in early December. Lakeview was but seems like people freaked and started walking and now they were back when I looked earlier. It's pretty much following other resorts.
Glad to hear this. I have always feared that with the average PVB contract at somewhere near 160 points that the number of points represented by the bungalows would cause difficulty in booking the studios (since few buyers intend to book bungalows). Guess my fears will prove unfounded.
 

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