The Running Thread - 2018

ATTQOTD: I tried the FIRST plan. I wanted to like it, being only 3 days a week AND I'm a Furman alumnus. It is a recipe for disaster. Every workout is hard and the long run is 50+ percent of the weekly mileage. It might work for some, but not me. To be fair, I did not cross train as much as I was supposed to.

I switched to Hanson's advanced plan (6 days a week) and saw great improvement. I felt less creaky running 6 days a week, but it is a big commitment of time.

The last cycle, I used a @DopeyBadger custom plan. It was a modified Hanson plan with 5 days a week. 5 days per week seems to be the sweet spot for me. Enough to not feel creaky and this old body needs the 2 rest days. It was tough, with nearly every SOS (something of substance) run pushing me to the limit, but not over the limit. The proof of the pudding is in the eating: a 35 minute PR after 2 years away from the marathon. And I was able to complete Goofy 1 month after my target marathon.

If I'm not training for a race, I follow a relaxed version of the plan I just used. In this case, I'll stick with the 5 days a week, with 3 SOS runs, but they will be more body/feel driven rather than plan driven.

I'm not into the research/reading portion of running, so would never consider creating my own plan.
 
LSULakes, thank you for continuing to organize this! It really helped me get through the almost 1,400 miles last year! Here are the races I am currently registered for.

January 2018

04 - kywyldcat03 - WDW 5k (NG / 00:30:50) Dopey
05 - kywyldcat03 - WDW 10k (NG / 01:05:19) Dopey
06 - kywyldcat03 - WDW Half Marathon (NG / 02:27:11) Dopey
07 - kywyldcat03 - WDW Marathon (5:00:00 / 05:02:33) Dopey - One Hour and Eight Minute PR!!


February
17 - kywyldcat03 – Nashville Hot Chocolate 15K (NG / NA)

March
03 - kywyldcat03 – Nashville Tom King Half Marathon (NG / NA)

April
14 - kywyldcat03 – Nashville Moosic City Dairy Dash 15K (NG / NA)
 
ATTQOTD: I started off using Higdon training plans, which went relatively well. I have been using @DopeyBadger training plans since June of last year and really like that they tell me how far to run and how fast to run. With Higdon I was so new and just ran as fast as I could every single run. :sad2:

@LSUlakes my update for the WDW Marathon is a 4:37:12. Thanks for keeping track of everything!
 


For all of the "Fixer Upper" fans... Chip is running a marathon!

https://magnoliamarket.com/training-log-first-run/

ETA: They are hosting a 5K, Half and Full in Waco.... road trip, anyone? :)

Omg I am in! I am laying in my recliner in my fuzzy robe, under my fuzzy blanket, watching Fixer Upper (while coughing up a lung!) right now! That sounds so fun and I was looking for a 5th marathon for the year! I wonder when it will be?
 


QOTD: Lets discuss training plans today. Specifically, how do you pick out which training plan to follow at any given time? Do you use one from a book, coach, or make your own? If you make your own, do you do research into other plans and use their ideas to develop yours?

I have a coach, and she tailors my training based on what my next race is. Most of the pure running training is modeled off the Hansons' method, while the rest is fairly typical triathlon stuff. The exception to this is training for an ultra, at which point we switch to a modified version of Higdon's 50-mile training plan.
 
ATTQOTD: I use the Galloway plan for runDisney, but tailored to fit my schedule. This year was unique because I jumped from the W&D Challenge plan straight to the PHM plan. My goal really though was just to stay trained for a HM between the 2, which is why I ran a half 2 weeks after W&D and will be doing one Saturday. After PHM, I will not be on an official plan until marathon training begins for WDW 2019, so I already sat down with my planner to figure out what my mileage should be between training cycles. I want to keep my mileage up before jumping into marathon training, so it should be interesting.

A Waco race sounds like fun. I flew into Dallas this summer to visit my grandmother in Oklahoma, but we went out of our way to go to the Silos before driving up to see her. It was awesome!

We got slammed with "sneaux" (did I spell that right?) last week. The schools are still not on normal hours, and they were released early last Wednesday for the storm. I did get a great run in last Tuesday, but have not ran since. The streets are too dangerous right now; this amount of snow and ice and the fact that it's still around is unprecedented for this area. Then we lost our heat Saturday, finally got it going again Monday night! So, I might be on the struggle bus for the Charleston half on Saturday, we will just see what happens. I've been having some achilles/calf/knee issues in my right leg since taking this time off, so I'm hoping it's nothing and I'll be able to run it off.
 
ATTQOTD: I started running with C25K over ten years ago before it became this massive thing. (No apps, I had to print the PDF off a web site.) When I did my first half-marathon, I switched to Hal Higdon plans. For Dopey this year, I used Train Like a Mother's Disney Challenge plan. It's a twenty week HR-based training plan that included strength and stability training, as well as two-a-days in the form of evening walks. I really credit the strength and stability training (only around 5-minutes three times a week) and the evening walks (started with 15 minutes and worked up to 60 minutes) with my success at conquering this challenge this year. I even managed a PR at the marathon distance!
 
QOTD: Lets discuss training plans today. Specifically, how do you pick out which training plan to follow at any given time? Do you use one from a book, coach, or make your own? If you make your own, do you do research into other plans and use their ideas to develop yours?

For a full I've always used one of the Hal Higdon plans, either intermediate or advanced. When I decide on my next full I'll probably change that up. For halves I just roll my own.
 
ATTQOTD: I have used Hal Higdon’s marathon and Dopey plans the past two years and I feel like they worked well for me. I did modify both plans to four days of running instead of five because of my schedule.

@LSUlakes, could you add the following races for me please!

2/4/18 Race 13.1 Wilmington half marathon
3/3/18 Myrtle Beach half Marathon
4/8/18 Rock n Roll Raleigh half marathon

Haven’t decided if I want to go for a time goal or not yet.
 
ATTQOTD: I’ve mainly done Higdon plans. The first few times I followed them pretty close, but since then I’ve tweaked them a bit with help from my PT who is also a coach. They’ve worked well for me, I’ve always felt prepared, but I think I’m ready to change it up a bit.


ATTQOTD: I started running with C25K over ten years ago before it became this massive thing. (No apps, I had to print the PDF off a web site.) When I did my first half-marathon, I switched to Hal Higdon plans. For Dopey this year, I used Train Like a Mother's Disney Challenge plan. It's a twenty week HR-based training plan that included strength and stability training, as well as two-a-days in the form of evening walks. I really credit the strength and stability training (only around 5-minutes three times a week) and the evening walks (started with 15 minutes and worked up to 60 minutes) with my success at conquering this challenge this year. I even managed a PR at the marathon distance!

Glad to hear you liked the TLAM plan. I’m going to try their “Race 13.1” as a change for my next training cycle. But I’m going to use it for a 10 miler. Hoping for a PR.
 
QOTD: Lets discuss training plans today. Specifically, how do you pick out which training plan to follow at any given time? Do you use one from a book, coach, or make your own? If you make your own, do you do research into other plans and use their ideas to develop yours?

I make my own plans based on literally nothing.* I keep saying I'm going to try a Higdon plan for my next race, but then life gets in the way. At my pace, I don't have time for a plan that calls for runs longer than 3 miles during the week (maybe 4 if I'm not super busy). I got stuff to do (okay, maybe not right now ... but hopefully I will have a job soon and then I will have stuff to do).

*That is not actually true. My plans were originally slightly modified Galloway plans. They're just basically unrecognizable as Galloway plans now after all the tinkering I've done.

@LSUlakes - we've still got leftover snow from last week up here. I finally did my long run for the week this morning, and while my long run path had been plowed, I had to climb over a mound of sneaux to get there. So if you'd like, I can see if there's any way I can ship some of this sneaux down to Louisiana for you. (I actually love snow ... it's just been around for a week now, so I really didn't want to have to climb over it)
 
ATTQOTD: I kinda wing it. :o Ok, not really, but I never really seem to have a clear plan, at least not since 2015, when I was following the Galloway plans for Tink and W&D.

In 2016, I tried to use a modified Higdon plan for my spring races, I think it was one of the lower intermediate ones that was a 4x a week plan. I dropped one of the days because I only wanted to do 3 days since I was used to that with Galloway. I don't think it was the plan's fault that I had issues for my 3 spring half marathons. The first one was in mid-May, and I didn't do well at all. It got really hot very fast after an unseasonably cold spring (temps in the 80's when they hadn't been much out of the 40's leading up) and I had been nursing a sore achilles for 3 weeks prior that started during a 10 mile race that I did for a training run. Looking at my Strava it is not any surprise that I tweaked my achilles really, I apparently skipped a lot of week day runs in the weeks leading up to the race. Like, just about all of them. Looking at the time when I am pretty sure I started the plan, in the 10 weeks leading up to and including the 10 miler, I only ran the Saturday long run for 7 of those weeks. Two of the weeks I ran one weekday run of ~2.5, and one of the weeks I did not run at all. :eek: I don't remember skipping that many, but Strava does not lie I guess. It is no wonder my spring did not go so hot that year. I do know I was spinning 2x a week at that time at least, so I wasn't completely inactive. I hadn't started tracking spinning with Strava then.

So the May race was tough, and I was undertrained due to the above, and I blew up and had a 3:05:xx. I had been planning to run 11 and 12 miles in the weeks after the 10 mile race leading up to the HM with no taper, because I had 3 HMs on my calendar in May, June, July. But I scrapped that due to my achilles and only ran shorter distances 4x over the 3 weeks. The June race was the one I was kind of targetting to try and PR, and the others were there because I like doing races and I was trying to qualify for Half Fanatics, which I'd missed the previous fall due to W&D being shortened. I had 3 weeks in between May and June races, and ran 4x total again. The June race actually went pretty well despite the pouring rain, up until about mile 9-10. I just was too undertrained. I had been hoping to PR (2:45) and ended up 2:50:xx, so considering my poop training, not too bad. It is still my 2nd best HM out of 9. Then I had a month until the July race, I ran like 5x total in those weeks, and ended up more of the same... it was raining and chilly, I was undertrained, the late race got real tough, and I ended up 3:00:xx.

After that disastrous spring, I started thinking about what I wanted to do for fall 2016. I had 2 HM scheduled for the fall, late October and 3 weeks later in November. I decided to do Higdon again, but I used his HM3 plan, which was an actual 3 day a week plan. It really wasn't that different than what I had been doing anyways, although I made my first attempt at trying to do tempo runs and stuff. It didn't go so well because at the time I was still doing run/walk intervals and I just found it too hard to figure out paces when I was running and walking. I did train more consistently, though, at least 2 days every week and sometimes actually even doing the 3! The October race went pretty well, but I still felt bad in the late race. The Higdon plan had topped out at 10 miles I think, and judging by my Strava I didn't plan my route well or something because it shows 9.7. Then I ran 2x total over the next 3 weeks and had a pretty miserable second HM.

After that one I did some reflecting and realized I needed some accountability in my running. I just didn't seem to do well sticking to training that year left to my own devices. I did ok in 2015... maybe because I was going to Disney, not just local races? Whatever it was, I knew I needed to get more consistency, so I went way out of my comfort zone and joined my running group Thanksgiving week 2016. I was injured (bulging disc/sciatic issue) for about 5 months in 2017, and lost a lot of fitness. But my running group does a HM in the fall and our coaches have their own time-based training plan. I was skeptical, because I knew that my issues in 2016 had all revolved around not running long enough in either of the 2 Higdon plans... I just didn't have enough for the distance in me. Some people say oh 10 miles is plenty for a HM training plan, but I am either not one of those people that is fine, or I need to be more consistent and run the other 2-3 days a week along with it for 10 miles to be enough. I managed to hit 10 miles during our time-based training plan barely (our last 130 min run I kept going until I hit 10, it took me like another 7 min). My fall HM was pretty miserable. It was Halloween weekend and we had a cold monsoon thing. It poured the entire race and was very chilly. I never felt great, but again hit a wall around 9-10 miles and I think walked more than I ran the last 5K. One thing I can say though is that I was finally consistent in my training since I was training with the group! I ran all 3 days of the group training every week of the 12 weeks except during the taper. I skipped one taper run the week before the race. But I expected that my slow speed coming back from my injury would result in a time based plan not being the greatest for me, and I was right. I should have added some time to some of those longer runs after we finished, but man it is really hard to go back and run more after finishing up with the group and stiffening up.

WOW that was long! So where am I now? I have a HM scheduled again for mid-May, so I need to figure out what do about a training again pretty soon! My running group only officially trains for a HM in the fall, although at least one person is also doing the May HM. I still struggle with running without stopping, although I'm trying to get away from Galloway intervals and only stop and walk occasionally (I had been eliminating it earlier last year but went back to them when I was coming back from my injury) and between the injury last year and love of food have packed on some extra lbs the past year that are not doing my running any favors. I have thought about trying a @DopeyBadger plan since everyone seems to have success with it, but I feel like kind of a square peg in a round hole... I have problems hitting paces due to stopping and walking, I run with a group 2x a week so I have kind of a fixed run time/distance/pace on 2 of those days (although the Saturday one is easier to add time to, and I'm quite often the slowest, so the pace is either me alone or someone hanging back with me), and I'm going to be starting at Orangetheory when they open up in early March for some extra running and cross training. Once they open, ideally what I'm hoping to do is run 3x a week and do OTF 2-3x a week, maybe subbing OTF for regular runs in case of yucky weather, although since they don't open until March, I need to start doing more at my regular gym until then. I'm really hoping that I can get it together for this spring season and gain enough fitness and lose some lbs so that I don't have such a bad time again this fall.
 
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