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Chases 5/24 rule applies to all credit cards so it looks like your 2/24..

If your going to be paying for the Disney trip on the new cc....I’d get the CSP since you get 2URs for each $1 spent on travel....
If your planning another trip the URs could be transferred to SW and used to book flights too

I also bought a house in 2017. Don't know if that matters. I definitely want to pay for my resort balance with whatever new card. I'm leaning towards CIP or CSP.

If you are in a hurry to get a card I would go with CSP. If you can wait a week or 2 I would go for CIP. The CSP will definitely be in your hand faster than the SW or a business card and you can call to expedite it after you are approved. The CSP will get you 2 points per dollar on travel so definitely use it for your Disney reservations. Please join us on Dischurners and support a member when you apply for a card.

The more you fly the more valuable a companion pass will be. This offer of a one year and 30,000 points is not that great. You could get it for 2 years and a lot more points with a little more effort.

The waiting freaks me out a little. I might have to go ahead and book flights and just pay the balance of the resort with the new card. I'm happy to support someone!

The best option is different for each of us. Look a bit into the future. Do you see yourself planning a trip for next year? If so taking the SW offer with instant CP might not make as much sense. That CP pass is only good until end of 2019, so maybe 8 months by the time you get it. There are ways to get a CP that would last up to 2 years. The CSP is a good starter card and companion to your Freedom. Charging travel to it earns 2x points, so your flights (say $1k) and hotel (say $2k) earn 2x points, in my example 6000 points. Those points can be used to book travel directly thru Chase (though sadly not Disney) or transfer to some airlines or hotels programs to use. There are other options than booking thru Disney, so ask here before you book.

Most people here put everything, I mean EVERYTHING, possible on credit cards. Stay within budget, and don’t charge what you can’t pay off, but charge utilities, gas, groceries, prescriptions, cable, phone, etc. Many people here will even charge a 50 cents instead of paying cash. Every penny earns points or miles.

I guess with the CP only being good this year it's maybe not my best bet. I would like to consider the long term and really be diligent with maximizing earning potential. I am planning to book our May 2019 trip through Disney for the CBR. If there are better options, let me know!

Oh yes, basically anything you do on the side for money or even revenue generating hobbies can qualify as a "business" and be good enough to get a business credit card. :) There's a good mix of us on here with "businesses" and with actual businesses to get business credit cards. When applying as a "business" for your eBay you'd select a Sole Proprietorship on the application and just use your name and SSN for the business info. Just make sure your business name and your name are exactly the same (don't add anything to it like "Consulting" or "Antiques" or anything descriptive) and it'll go through without further documentation needed for most card issuers - Chase is one of those, AmEx is another. Definitely something to think about as there are good business card offers out there.



For Chase's 5/24 rule any credit card that appears on your credit report counts towards that number. You'd want to look at card open dates, they count what you opened in the last 24 months regardless of if you closed it already. So if you can see the store card on the report that will count and it looks like you're starting off at 2/24, which isn't bad, there's a good amount of Chase cards you can still get if you are strategic about it.

ETA: Along this same thought, not all card issuers report business cards to your personal credit report. Since Chase is only looking at what's on your CR when calculating that number, any Chase business card you pick up doesn't add to your 5/24 count since they don't report to your CR. (neither does AmEx, Citibank, Barclays and a few others I can't think of offhand) It's another advantage to opening biz cards.



Yeah, with it being so close to departure I'm not sure I'd wait on the tickets either. At least you'd be able to use that purchase towards a minimum spend requirement (MSR) so it wouldn't be all bad. But it's a touch choice to spend the cash now for a potential reward later.

With the SW vs CSP probably have to look at the value you'd get from the rewards offered, since they both have the same required spend, and then work out how either would effect your CC plans going forward.

The SW card with the CP would get you at least 30k points and if you use it to buy your cash flights you'd get 2x the points on those + the other spend points. Estimating the flights with a round number, $1,000, that'd be 35,000 points (30 bonus, 2 from SW purchase, 3 from the rest of the MSR) and be worth about $450-550 in SW flights. Add in that one ticket would be practically free once you apply your CP to it and I can see at least $600 in value there minus the $69 AF (I assume you'd go for the Plus since all the bonuses are the same right now). If you bought the WGA fare for the CP ticket originally then you'd get a travel credit good for a year, and if you plan to take another trip later that can still be useful.

For the CSP, a perk of that card (and the CSR and CIP) is that you can transfer your UR points to travel partners - SW is a travel partner. So you could also take the 50k+ on that card and transfer it to SW to get $600-800 worth of flights. Sometimes cash is good but using the points on travel can get you a better value. The CSP and CIP also get a higher cpp value when redeemed through the Chase travel portal, 1.25 cpp, but that wouldn't help with SW since you can't buy those tickets on the portal - but just something else to keep in mind. (If you go for the CSR that gets 1.5 cpp on the portal) Plus I think the AF is still waived for the first year.

If you decide to go for a business card, the CIP has a slightly higher MSR but you get a higher bonus too. If you can manage 5,000 in 3 months, then you'd get an 80k bonus. The CIP also has a higher earn rate on travel, 3x, so if you used your flights and other trip spend to meet the MSR you'd get even more points.

As an alternative to the one card SW CP, you could try the longer game and get the full CP which would be good for the rest of this year until the end of 2020. That also requires 5k in MSR but it's over two cards so you can space it out. You'd open one of the SW personal cards for a 50k inflight offer (2k MSR) and also the SW Biz card (3k MSR) for the 60k bonus. That gets you 110k in points just from the bonus which is needed for the full CP.



Yes, that's a good idea. Most of these cards get increased earnings on travel related expenses. All SW cards it's only 2x on SW purchases and select partners. CSP gets 2x UR points on travel and dining charges, the CSR gets 3x for the same; the CIP gets 3x on just the travel but also shipping, internet, cable and phone services. If you go UR at least you can get the higher earning even if you only cash out at 1cpp to reimburse the expense.

If you buy the park tix from Disney separately it won't code as travel. Disney resorts count as travel since it's a hotel charge, and if you were doing tix as a package then I think it may count as that comes through as a travel agent. But don't quote me on that, I haven't done a package in many years so I have no first hand experience :) But folks have said tickets from UCT count as travel because they are a TA so that's an option if you are buying them separately.

You guys are pretty much all for the CIP or CSP. I think I will skip SW for now. If I buy my resort and tix as a package deal, do you think it will all count for travel when I pay the balance to Disney?

You’ve gotten some great advice so I’ll just add...

When you’re ready to apply, if it’s a Disney Visa, CSP or CIP, consider supporting another DISer by using their link on DISchurners when you apply. :)

It sounds like you have trip goals beyond this May trip so I’d continue to hang out here and develop a strategy for that.

I guess my one thought: A CIP now and CSP in a few months could net you over $1,300 cash back that you could mentally apply against your trip costs (or apply to a future trip and make them worth more like $1,700!)

I can definitely do that when I apply. I do like the idea of building for a future trip.

All cards opened in the last 24 months counts as part of 5/24, so you're at 2/24 which puts you into good position to apply for Chase cards. Since you can use your ebay business to apply for the CIP, I'd go that route first, especially since you're about to make some large travel-related purchases and the CIP will give 3x pts on travel. Plus, the purchase will help meet your MSR and because it's a business card, it won't count as part of your 5/24. The bonus of 80K plus the 3xpts on whatever your Disney trips comes out to would net you a quite a nice stash of URs. So after getting a CIP, you'd still be at 2/24 and could then apply for the CSP or Disney Visa or SW cards. I don't think going for the single card SW CP offer right now is the best strategy for you, because at this rate, you'd only get the CP for maybe 8 months and only 30k pts. I'd save the SW CP effort for trying to get the 2 year CP. As for cashing out your URs towards a Disney trip, I suggest buying discount Disney gift cards first with your card to get pts on the purchase, then cashing out the URs to "pay" for the gift cards. You'd get a discount and extra pts by going that route vs directly cashing out and paying cash at Disney.

So as far as buying Disney gift cards at a discount - how do I do that? And it's just a 1 point per dollar earning, right?
 
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So as far as buying Disney gift cards at a discount - how do I do that? And it's just a 1 point per dollar earning, right?

There are many ways to get gift cards at a discount:

I get Disney (and other gift cards) at a discount using the quarterly bonus categories with my Chase Freedom. For example, this quarter (Jan-March) I get 5x points when shopping at drugstores. Lots of gift cards at drugstores!

Cash-back opportunities are available for various non-business Chase cards through the Chase app. Right now I have 10% back at CVS up to $4 back, so $40 purchase, using my Chase Sapphire Reserve (CSR).

The Chase Ink Cash (CIC) is a business card that gets 5x at office supply stores---gift cards galore.
 
You guys are pretty much all for the CIP or CSP. I think I will skip SW for now. If I buy my resort and tix as a package deal, do you think it will all count for travel when I pay the balance to Disney?
If your trip wasn't in May, I can tell you we'd be ALL ABOUT Southwest cards right now. They are some great and lucrative cards, just not on your timeline. :)

But you are correct that CIP and CSP (and/or CSR) are your best bets given the situation you find yourself in currently.
 
Yes, I need to sort out this AU business :crazy2:

For DH, I had no plans to cancel either of his Chase biz cards. We both have legit businesses and the CIP in particular is our biggest points earner (ebay and shipping fees for the win!). Love the CIC as well, use it for our phone/internet/satellite and 5x at office supply stores. Although if I had one, we wouldn't have to have 2...

Since you have a legit business, you could potentially go for CIP #2 if you have an EIN (or are willing to get one). It'll require some additional verification like faxing in your EIN letter. You can refer your DH for an additional 20k URs. Then when you're sure you're under 5/24, he can refer you.

I'd hold off on Citi Prestige until it's relaunched and see what the bonus is. Supposed to be sometime this month.

ETA: Don't forget to reduce credit limits before you apply. :)
 


There are many ways to get gift cards at a discount:

I get Disney (and other gift cards) at a discount using the quarterly bonus categories with my Chase Freedom. For example, this quarter (Jan-March) I get 5x points when shopping at drugstores. Lots of gift cards at drugstores!

Cash-back opportunities are available for various non-business Chase cards through the Chase app. Right now I have 10% back at CVS up to $4 back, so $40 purchase, using my Chase Sapphire Reserve (CSR).

The Chase Ink Cash (CIC) is a business card that gets 5x at office supply stores---gift cards galore.

Does a grocery store or Target count as a drug store? I'm not sure who all carries Disney GC's around here. It's been a while since Disney has been on the radar. They might be more prevalent than they were in 2011.
 
Does a grocery store or Target count as a drug store? I'm not sure who all carries Disney GC's around here. It's been a while since Disney has been on the radar. They might be more prevalent than they were in 2011.
No Grocery is a separate category...Target is kind of on its own...

Sometimes Chase Freedom will run their 5x deal on Grocery stores. AMEX has cards that earn 3% and 6% back respectively at grocery stores: BCE (Blue Cash Everyday) and BCP (Blue Cash Preferred). These aren't necessarily a great use of a 5/24 slot...but they do typically offer a $200 or $250 signup bonus.
 
Does a grocery store or Target count as a drug store? I'm not sure who all carries Disney GC's around here. It's been a while since Disney has been on the radar. They might be more prevalent than they were in 2011.

It's walgreens, rite aid, cvs and there might be regional chains where you are. Grocery will be it's own category and at least with diacover target doesn't count with grocery so I'm sure it won't for drug store. Target and walmart tend to fall in their own category.

Now I know cvs took over target's pharmacy and there was discussion about what that means and I'm not sure anything was ever decided but if the receipt says target it won't code as drug store I would think. Especially if they still let you buy reg stuff at the pharmacy.
 
I also bought a house in 2017. Don't know if that matters. I definitely want to pay for my resort balance with whatever new card. I'm leaning towards CIP or CSP.

The waiting freaks me out a little. I might have to go ahead and book flights and just pay the balance of the resort with the new card. I'm happy to support someone!

I guess with the CP only being good this year it's maybe not my best bet. I would like to consider the long term and really be diligent with maximizing earning potential. I am planning to book our May 2019 trip through Disney for the CBR. If there are better options, let me know!

You guys are pretty much all for the CIP or CSP. I think I will skip SW for now. If I buy my resort and tix as a package deal, do you think it will all count for travel when I pay the balance to Disney?

I can definitely do that when I apply. I do like the idea of building for a future trip.

So as far as buying Disney gift cards at a discount - how do I do that? And it's just a 1 point per dollar earning, right?

Does a grocery store or Target count as a drug store? I'm not sure who all carries Disney GC's around here. It's been a while since Disney has been on the radar. They might be more prevalent than they were in 2011.

If you have good credit, then you shouldn't have a problem with getting a CIP or CSP. Given they're the same AF though, you'd get more out of the CIP. Make sure before you apply that your CLs w/ Chase aren't too high - you may want to lower them to have a better shot at instant approval.

CP this year definitely isn't your best bet if your considering long term, as it would prevent you from going for CP next year and you'd have to wait till 2021. If you buy a package deal, it should all count as travel, as it'll just be one package price you're paying.

I get discounted Disney gift cards at Sam's club. Grocery stores and Target don't count as drug stores for the Freedom 5x quarter. Depending on what card you use and where you use it to buy the gift cards, you could get more than 1 pt per dollar. But lets just say you're using your future CIP or CSP, then yea, it's 1 pt/dollar. Even if you can't get discounted Disney gift cards, it's still a nice strategy to buy gift cards just to get the pts if you know you're going to have Disney related purchases that won't count as "travel" for the 3x pts on CIP or 2x on CSP.
 
Does a grocery store or Target count as a drug store? I'm not sure who all carries Disney GC's around here. It's been a while since Disney has been on the radar. They might be more prevalent than they were in 2011.

If you are looking for a quick discount with cash back, DiscoverIt may be a good starting card, as it has the first year match, and this first quarter is grocery stores, so you would get 5% today and 5% a year from now up to $1500 spend on the card. It will count in your x/24 count but it is a super easy way to get 10% back on disney gift cards with minimal work. Just a thought, but it really all depends on your long term goals.
 
No Grocery is a separate category...Target is kind of on its own...

Sometimes Chase Freedom will run their 5x deal on Grocery stores. AMEX has cards that earn 3% and 6% back respectively at grocery stores: BCE (Blue Cash Everyday) and BCP (Blue Cash Preferred). These aren't necessarily a great use of a 5/24 slot...but they do typically offer a $200 or $250 signup bonus.

Okay. I figured Target would be out.

It's walgreens, rite aid, cvs and there might be regional chains where you are. Grocery will be it's own category and at least with diacover target doesn't count with grocery so I'm sure it won't for drug store. Target and walmart tend to fall in their own category.

Now I know cvs took over target's pharmacy and there was discussion about what that means and I'm not sure anything was ever decided but if the receipt says target it won't code as drug store I would think. Especially if they still let you buy reg stuff at the pharmacy.

We do have CVS, Walgreen's and Rite Aid, so I'll check those out. I have a Discover card and I remembered Target not being eligible for their offers. I would hate to buy at CVS and then have it not work. Thanks for the heads up!
 
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No Grocery is a separate category...Target is kind of on its own...

Sometimes Chase Freedom will run their 5x deal on Grocery stores. AMEX has cards that earn 3% and 6% back respectively at grocery stores: BCE (Blue Cash Everyday) and BCP (Blue Cash Preferred). These aren't necessarily a great use of a 5/24 slot...but they do typically offer a $200 or $250 signup bonus.

(Freud will note SFF forgot the Amex Gold at 4%, ahem...)
 
AMEX CHURNING SHOWER THOUGHT...
If I were starting out with AMEX today and wanted to keep a good long term relationship with them...my first two cards would be either a BCE (Blue Cash Everyday) or BCP (Blue Cash Preferred) AND a BBP (Blue Business Plus).
  • The BCE or BCP would earn 3% or 6% on groceries and have ongoing usefulness. BCP has an AF of $95 so I'd only get that one if you planned to keep it and pay the AF long-term. Both have a decent Bonus ($200 or $250 for $1,000 spend)
  • The BBP would start earning MRs at 2x per $. It's also a great card to keep MRs active long term. If has no AF and a decent bonus of 10k MRs.
This would start you off with a good relationship with AMEX and these are cards that have legitimate use for ongoing spend.

The other thing is any one of these cards would enable you to self refer or refer a spouse to ANY other AMEX card.

Just some food for thought...interested to see if others would agree or disagree. This is kind of piggybacking off of @Lain's thoughts earlier this week that it is now hard to recommend people to go for AMEX cards.
 
If you have good credit, then you shouldn't have a problem with getting a CIP or CSP. Given they're the same AF though, you'd get more out of the CIP. Make sure before you apply that your CLs w/ Chase aren't too high - you may want to lower them to have a better shot at instant approval.

CP this year definitely isn't your best bet if your considering long term, as it would prevent you from going for CP next year and you'd have to wait till 2021. If you buy a package deal, it should all count as travel, as it'll just be one package price you're paying.

I get discounted Disney gift cards at Sam's club. Grocery stores and Target don't count as drug stores for the Freedom 5x quarter. Depending on what card you use and where you use it to buy the gift cards, you could get more than 1 pt per dollar. But lets just say you're using your future CIP or CSP, then yea, it's 1 pt/dollar. Even if you can't get discounted Disney gift cards, it's still a nice strategy to buy gift cards just to get the pts if you know you're going to have Disney related purchases that won't count as "travel" for the 3x pts on CIP or 2x on CSP.

I have two Chase cards; one average CL and one on the low side, so I think I'll be okay. I also have a Chase checking with Disney debit card. I'm not sure what benefits that gets me on the deb card.

If you are looking for a quick discount with cash back, DiscoverIt may be a good starting card, as it has the first year match, and this first quarter is grocery stores, so you would get 5% today and 5% a year from now up to $1500 spend on the card. It will count in your x/24 count but it is a super easy way to get 10% back on disney gift cards with minimal work. Just a thought, but it really all depends on your long term goals.

Thank you! I do already have the DiscoverIt card and I see it is 5% back on grocery stores this quarter so that is perfect! :)
 
(Freud will note SFF forgot the Amex Gold at 4%, ahem...)
Unfortunately I will not recommend that card to a newbie. I don't look at it as a 4% card...it's a 4x MR card AND it has a $250 annual fee (which I know is partially offset by some things). As we recently saw in the thread...many people struggle with how to effectively use MRs so that 4x MRs could turn into 0.6cpp or 2.4% back...or it could end up being Home Depot and Olive Garden gift cards (at 4%)...or with a Schwab Plat it's like 5% back but now you're telling them they need to get a card with a $250 AF and a $550 AF just to get their cash...All of that just sounds confusing when somebody stumbled in here wanting "A card" to help offset their trip expenses, lol.

People who have an appreciation and value of MRs will note that this is a GREAT card though, and I don't disagree with that :)
 
Just received an invitation from Citi to switch my Thank You Preferred for a Citi Rewards + card. Seems like they have been trying to get me off the Thank You preferred forever, but this one looks like it might be worth doing. It seems like a no brainer for those low value purchases, where anything under $10 will earn 10 Thank You points. I know TYP aren't the most valued currency around here, but I do use them in combination with my TYPremier to transfer to airlines etc.

Before I make the jump, anyone got any thoughts on why I shouldn't? I keep the same account number so I am assuming there is no 5/24 impact.
 
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Don’t let your head explode!

I guess with the CP only being good this year it's maybe not my best bet. I would like to consider the long term and really be diligent with maximizing earning potential. I am planning to book our May 2019 trip through Disney for the CBR. If there are better options, let me know
I think @disneymagicgirl & @wendow are good at finding deals on Priceline and such. Maybe they or somebody else can chime in.
 
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