"Ladies and Gentlemen" becoming an outdated term?

[ChrisFL]

No, that's not what it means. The B stands for bi-sexual, in terms of attraction. It has nothing whatsoever to do with gender.

 

[kimblebee]

Your hypothetical is absolutely ridiculous. I'm in my 30s and have never been called ma'am.

Thank you for proving the point I was trying to make back on page three or four.

You know 2 non-binary individals? Given the statistics for how few people identify this way, you ought to consider buying a lottery ticket.

You know what? I do too. They’re friends of my daughter. You know me, know I’m honest and say what I mean. Do you offer the same sarcastic comment to me too?

 

[kiddo76]

You know 2 non-binary individals? Given the statistics for how few people identify this way, you ought to consider buying a lottery ticket.

Yes, I do. My nephew just graduated from a performing arts high school, which tends to attract teens that might not fit in as well in a typical high school (as cliche as that sounds). One of his friends identified as male until they were 18, at which point they declared they were nonbinary. There are others in their school who consider themselves gender fluid or nonbinary, but I don't "know" them. It seems his peers are more likely to identify as nonbinary/gender fluid over transgendered.

The other is my cousin who was born female and presented as straight until college, when they came out as Bi (early 2000s). A few years ago, they declared they were nonbinary.

Even as I type this, I have had to correct he/she to they. I try my hardest to accept people for who they are, but sometimes old habits are hard to break.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I mean, you're basically saying that a subset of society should have to stay invisible so that a few people don't have to deal with the horror of possibly not hearing a word every now and then. I truly don't understand how that's equal.

No, that is not what aim saying. Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m happy to call people whatever they want to be called, but I think that ALL opinions should be considered.

 

[ronandannette]

Thank you for proving the point I was trying to make back on page three or four.



You know what? I do too. Their friends of my daughter. You know me, know I’m honest and say what I mean. Do you offer the same sarcastic comment to me too?

Sarcasm not really intended - more a little joke that maybe fell flat. Nor was I doubting what the pp said. My point was that it is not nearly so common a state as may be implied by anecdotes of people who personally know several non-binary individuals. They (you) are even more rare than non-binary individuals themselves, KWIM?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

In my experience, if you call a singular female "lady," you aren't doing it as a sign of respect.

IME it's been a bit of both.

Last week in true Midwest fashion when presented with another individual and I being in the same area and I ended up being in their way I said "ope excuse me" and he said "oh no you're a lady and you were here first". He wasn't talking down to me and for me it didn't matter that I was a 'lady' just that I was needing to get around him lol. But yeah he wasn't meaning it that way.

On the other hand I have had the not so nice "hey lady" style talk as well.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

..... if we are being ‘real’ .... Good morning you poor, helpless fools, stuck on this filthy flying pit, crammed into uncomfortable seats, about to be served microwaved inedible fodder etc and thank you for paying through the nose for the privilege.

Love it...but the last time I got a meal on a plane that was warm was in 2000 on a now defunct airline Midwest Express (well it merged into Frontier). Other than that my flights have been peanuts (no longer), pretzels, snack/trail mix style, those mini cheese crackers, etc. On Delta though back in 2013 and I think on our 2016 flight we could purchase cold sandwiches.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Mind is blown given that Pete owns this forum. I’d expect the opposite. I definitely expected more inclusiveness.

I don't follow you. Is Pete supposed to have a questionaire before joining that states you must understand and accept my sexuality and if you don't you can't join?

Heck I didn't know about Pete's sexuality until I watch a DIS Unplugged episode randomly well after I started watching them. It's a non-issue for me, it doesn't impact my opinion of him nor does it impose a certain belief that I guess according to you I'm supposed to have of this website.

 

[DuskKodesh]

You know 2 non-binary individals? Given the statistics for how few people identify this way, you ought to consider buying a lottery ticket.

I know at least five, one trans person, and two lesbians. I guess I should buy my lottery tickets now.

I mean in reality people flock towards others that tend to be nonjudemental. They find each other through Pride marches or school organizations or other clubs. I met a lot of my friends when my employer asked for volunteers to march in Columbus Pride. 94 degree heat and a three mile walk. I'm proud but by the end I was nearly DEAD. They had to pry me off the grass in the park.

 

[kimblebee]

Sarcasm not really intended - more a little joke that maybe fell flat. Nor was I doubting what the pp said. My point was that it is not nearly so common a state as may be implied by anecdotes of people who personally know several non-binary individuals. They (you) are even more rare than non-binary individuals themselves, KWIM?

Got it. Thank you for clearing it up.

 

[Hikergirl]

You could just encourage them to be good people, and leave it at that. Saying someone is a gentleman or lady does not make them so.

Or one can encourage their dd to be ladylike and their ds to be gentlemenly because there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Live and let live, right.
If you want to raise your kids to be gender neutral and and refer to them as non specific pronouns and whatever else go for it, but why should someone not do that just because you think there is something wrong with it.
Expecting change when it is unnecessary isn't very tolerant of you.

 

[Moliphino]

Sex and gender are not quite the same thing.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't have an issue with this adjustment. But neither am I bothered if someone still uses Ladies and Gentleman. I use y'all all the time but I'm also a person that uses guys (guys let's do this or hey guys, etc) and not in a gender way (I'm sure don't mean that in a negative, assumptive way either). I'm with another poster--even though I shouldn't I'm usually listening to my music during the spiel--I do try to look up every now and then though lol.

I don't fully understand all of the newer definitions (that doesn't mean I don't believe they exist because I do think they do) but that's more I think because I've never felt the way these individuals feel. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't respect whatever title the individual would like me to use. I may trip up, I may make a mistake but it's not coming out of willful defiance just you know getting tripped up. I also don't

I can understand how the adjustment in things creates ripple effects in how we interact and approach things. Eventually it will be easier and easier as we broaden how we interact with people. Maybe it will be quicker than the assumption that I'm referred to as Mrs. Aaron Mickelson

While the show is really just reality tv garbage I still watch it lol but anyways Are You the One? on MTV just recently had their first sexually fluid season (I'm kinda hoping they do it again). Very interesting and I enjoyed seeing all the different individuals.

 

[skyblue17]

No, that is not what aim saying. Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m happy to call people whatever they want to be called, but I think that ALL opinions should be considered.

I think they should be considered, but I don't agree they should have the same value, because not nearly the same things are stake. Eventually, it becomes "be tolerant of my unwillingness to understand your point of view" and that view shouldn't hold equal worth to "please respect how I represent myself in the world."

Or one can encourage their dd to be ladylike and their ds to be gentlemenly because there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Live and let live, right.
If you want to raise your kids to be gender neutral and and refer to them as non specific pronouns and whatever else go for it, but why should someone not do that just because you think there is something wrong with it.
Expecting change when it is unnecessary isn't very tolerant of you.

Sure. I was mostly commenting on how "lady" and "gentlemen" doesn't automatically mean polite or well-mannered. I'm not saying you need to raise your kids gender neutral. Good humans are good humans, period, and kindness is important, period.

 

[ChrisFL]

so if being bi-sexual isn't about being attracted to one gender or another, what does it mean?

 

[jrmasm]

People offended by the word everyone.

 

[Sandeep1]

People offended by the word everyone.

Not a single person in this thread has said that.

 

[RamblingMad]

Not a single person in this thread has said that.

People are offended by people being offended. That’s a whole another level of stupid.

 

[Sandeep1]

People are offended by people being offended. That’s a whole another level of stupid.

No. People are questioning why people are offended by something so innocent as a "ladies and gentlemen" greeting.

 

[porschegrl]

No. People are questioning why people are offended by something so innocent as a "ladies and gentlemen" greeting.

There was nothing in the article that started this thread to suggest that anyone was offended by "ladies and gentlemen."