They have to be thawed and mixed on demand as well, so there's a bottle neck depending on how careful you're being able getting just enough ready, but the main problem is the distancing and 15 min waiting period.Is the slow vaccination due to social distancing requirements and having people wait 15 minutes?
My hospital is doing them in our largest conference room but it’s slow moving. Much much slower than the flu vaccines. They pop those out quickly. It’s like an assembly line for those.
I think once pharmacies and doctors offices start giving them out it’ll be faster moving.
Is the slow vaccination due to social distancing requirements and having people wait 15 minutes?
My hospital is doing them in our largest conference room but it’s slow moving. Much much slower than the flu vaccines. They pop those out quickly. It’s like an assembly line for those.
I think once pharmacies and doctors offices start giving them out it’ll be faster moving.
My sister works directly with Co-Vid at the hospital- she opted No. My other sister works in the hospital in the lab for Co-Vid testing and she opted No. I am a teacher who will be offered it soon- and I am on the fence. I do believe in vaccinations that are universal (MMR, hepatitis, etc.) I only had flu shot once and that was the year I had the flu! I believe someone has to be the first but, we know very little about this vaccine and long term effects. Johnson and Johnson one that is coming soon sounds promising. I know if I worked at a nursing home I may feel different. I believe people have to do what makes them feel comfortable and people have to respect others decisions. Do I believe in time that this vaccine will be required for students to attend school- probably (years down the line). However, a vaccination passport for people to go places, travel, worship, and live- should never be mandated. That kind of mandate should be worrisome for all the citizens of a free country. Personal decision is a freedom we should cherish in our democratic country.
If low vaccination levels keep us from getting kids back in the classroom, and reopening businesses that have suffered so much during this pandemic, then I hope they do start requiring them for certain activities. So many people have lost so much. We all owe it to them to step up and get vaccinated so we can hit herd immunity and finally move past this.My sister works directly with Co-Vid at the hospital- she opted No. My other sister works in the hospital in the lab for Co-Vid testing and she opted No. I am a teacher who will be offered it soon- and I am on the fence. I do believe in vaccinations that are universal (MMR, hepatitis, etc.) I only had flu shot once and that was the year I had the flu! I believe someone has to be the first but, we know very little about this vaccine and long term effects. Johnson and Johnson one that is coming soon sounds promising. I know if I worked at a nursing home I may feel different. I believe people have to do what makes them feel comfortable and people have to respect others decisions. Do I believe in time that this vaccine will be required for students to attend school- probably (years down the line). However, a vaccination passport for people to go places, travel, worship, and live- should never be mandated. That kind of mandate should be worrisome for all the citizens of a free country. Personal decision is a freedom we should cherish in our democratic country.
My sister works directly with Co-Vid at the hospital- she opted No. My other sister works in the hospital in the lab for Co-Vid testing and she opted No. I am a teacher who will be offered it soon- and I am on the fence. I do believe in vaccinations that are universal (MMR, hepatitis, etc.) I only had flu shot once and that was the year I had the flu! I believe someone has to be the first but, we know very little about this vaccine and long term effects. Johnson and Johnson one that is coming soon sounds promising. I know if I worked at a nursing home I may feel different. I believe people have to do what makes them feel comfortable and people have to respect others decisions. Do I believe in time that this vaccine will be required for students to attend school- probably (years down the line). However, a vaccination passport for people to go places, travel, worship, and live- should never be mandated. That kind of mandate should be worrisome for all the citizens of a free country. Personal decision is a freedom we should cherish in our democratic country.
If low vaccination levels keep us from getting kids back in the classroom, and reopening businesses that have suffered so much during this pandemic, then I hope they do start requiring them for certain activities. So many people have lost so much. We all owe it to them to step up and get vaccinated so we can hit herd immunity and finally move past this.
I'm curious, what do you think will happen with getting kids (and teachers) back in the classroom if lots of people refuse?
For what it's worth, they've tested this exact technology in animals for years and in people since MERS back in the early 2010s, neither of which had long term problems, and the spot on the virus they're targeting was identified in the late 00s based off of SARS research, so none of this is really new.
Foreign mRNA is removed from your body really efficiently by your immune system because that's what it was "designed" for, and if there were any significant long term issues we'd have seen them in the Phase 1/2 trial people by now!
J&J is really similar to the Oxford vaccine (both adenovirus vectors); the closest COVID-19 vaccine to ones already on the market will be the NovaVax vaccine which uses a mixture of proteins and fats to make what are called "virus-like particles," very similar to the Gardasil HPV vaccine.
Overall I don't think any of them will be substantially less safe than the others, the only effects that we've seen so far that are fairly rare and are mainly related to pre-existing allergies.
FWIW, my day job is an industrial chemist to supply pharmaceutical companies and I have a background in biochemistry and pharma; I'm confident enough in the vaccines that I signed up for the trials and received a shot as did my infectious disease specialist father and my chemist brother.
If anyone has any questions or concerns about how the vaccines work feel free to message me and I'll answer as much as I can
No such thing as a dumb questionThis is a dumb question, but are any made with actual "dead virus"? Since I'm immunocompromised (CLL) with a severe food allergy, I figure those are my best bet, but reading through all of the "which is which" stuff is a lot. I'm in the Shingrix protocol now, so I can't be vaccinated til about mid-March (which is when my doc thought I'd be able to "join the line" anyway), so are any "dead virus" vaccines coming online between now and then?
This is a dumb question, but are any made with actual "dead virus"? Since I'm immunocompromised (CLL) with a severe food allergy, I figure those are my best bet, but reading through all of the "which is which" stuff is a lot. I'm in the Shingrix protocol now, so I can't be vaccinated til about mid-March (which is when my doc thought I'd be able to "join the line" anyway), so are any "dead virus" vaccines coming online between now and then?
I only see this in extreme people.it follows that antimaskers are likely antivaxers too.
True but if the communities are being vaccinated, the teachers are getting vaccinated (even if not as an exact subgroup labeled teachers) along with our knowledge on spreading with children (i.e. young children seemingly aren't spreading it at the same rate as older children), schools and such will have a better shot at opening and at more 'normal' ways.That might take a while since I haven't heard of any approvals (even emergency use or the like) for children under 16 to take the vaccine. Supposedly they're going through trials now.
Well I guess I will not be sharing how I feel. Or how other people, like me, may be nervous or scared regarding the vaccine. I always enjoyed the boards and the difference of opinions but I guess this is another topic that one cannot openly discuss. My apologies for those that felt angered by my confusion and anxiousness about injecting something into my body.My sister works directly with Co-Vid at the hospital- she opted No. My other sister works in the hospital in the lab for Co-Vid testing and she opted No. I am a teacher who will be offered it soon- and I am on the fence. I do believe in vaccinations that are universal (MMR, hepatitis, etc.) I only had flu shot once and that was the year I had the flu! I believe someone has to be the first but, we know very little about this vaccine and long term effects. Johnson and Johnson one that is coming soon sounds promising. I know if I worked at a nursing home I may feel different. I believe people have to do what makes them feel comfortable and people have to respect others decisions. Do I believe in time that this vaccine will be required for students to attend school- probably (years down the line). However, a vaccination passport for people to go places, travel, worship, and live- should never be mandated. That kind of mandate should be worrisome for all the citizens of a free country. Personal decision is a freedom we should cherish in our democratic country.
Someone referred me to this very in-depth article. You can probably understand it. Me, not so much. Would love your take on it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7142689/For what it's worth, they've tested this exact technology in animals for years and in people since MERS back in the early 2010s, neither of which had long term problems, and the spot on the virus they're targeting was identified in the late 00s based off of SARS research, so none of this is really new.
Foreign mRNA is removed from your body really efficiently by your immune system because that's what it was "designed" for, and if there were any significant long term issues we'd have seen them in the Phase 1/2 trial people by now!
J&J is really similar to the Oxford vaccine (both adenovirus vectors); the closest COVID-19 vaccine to ones already on the market will be the NovaVax vaccine which uses a mixture of proteins and fats to make what are called "virus-like particles," very similar to the Gardasil HPV vaccine.
Overall I don't think any of them will be substantially less safe than the others, the only effects that we've seen so far that are fairly rare and are mainly related to pre-existing allergies.
FWIW, my day job is an industrial chemist to supply pharmaceutical companies and I have a background in biochemistry and pharma; I'm confident enough in the vaccines that I signed up for the trials and received a shot as did my infectious disease specialist father and my chemist brother.
If anyone has any questions or concerns about how the vaccines work feel free to message me and I'll answer as much as I can
Someone referred me to this very in-depth article. You can probably understand it. Me, not so much. Would love your take on it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7142689/