The Running Thread - 2021

I had no idea that the 945 was "aged", but I'll second that about really liking mine. Nifty device.

It’s been out since April, 2019 and Garmin tends to release new models every 2-3 years. Sometimes it’s a little shorter between models, sometimes a bit longer, but there was a lot of speculation that a 955 was due to drop any time now, and then they released the 945 LTE. The Fenix 6 series was released in August, 2019, with loads of interim models coming out in the meantime. It’s seeing $200 price cuts right now. Given their similar release dates, I was hoping for a similar drop in the 945 price. Alas, it’s not to be, apparently.
 
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Queue up the Scooby Doo ending from Wayne's World!
My mistake was believing that every training run had to be at race pace. While that mentality helped me finish every race I signed up for, it also left me tired and pretty much done with running on the long runs. Training was the thing that I hated doing, but needed to do in order to have the fun of race day.
A similar thing happened with me. I used to need 2 or 3 days to recover from my long runs when I was only running 3 days a week. Once I started running 5 days a week at a slower pace, I started to feel back to normal on my rest day following the long run.
I used to think this thread was only for serious runners. Instead I found that it's a place where runners of all speeds, abilities, and goals share our own experiences, triumphs, disappointments, and such.
My @DopeyBadger plans consistently had me running in the 20s per week for Dopey. I have finished both marathons just fine despite very hot conditions during both races unlike anything I had ever trained in or raced in before. The accumulated volume and consistency over time really adds up.
I shared the same concerns you have outlined here. Two factors helped me. First off, I knew from previous training experience that following a well laid out and properly designed plan works. I knew that the time spent training reaps the rewards in the end. Secondly, I tested the plan on a half marathon. I had been used to 14 mile long runs for a half marathon. The new plan had me with an 8 mile long run for the half marathon. Despite being an absolute mental wreck and very sore come race due to outside circumstances that contributed to an absolutely terrible start, I wound up crushing my PR by 3 minutes.
I was a mixture of this. I had many runners here share their own experiences with me that helped me begin to wrap my head around the concept. As I began to want to attempt the marathon, I also did not really want to devote 5-6 hours every Saturday with the long runs necessary under the plan I had been using. It was less difficult to put the miles in over the course of the week instead of in one day. At the same time I also came to recognize that even though I could ask the same question 50 different ways, I had to choose to trust the plan and see if it worked. It did. Spectacularly.
I'm one of those plans. I put in more miles than the Galloway plan, but spread them out over 5 days instead of backloading them into one really long run. Despite getting a nasty chest cold 10 days before the race, I was just fine come race day. During each Dopey race, I knew I was feeling stronger after coming off the cold and knew I was exactly where I needed to be when I felt infinitely stronger than usual during the last 3 miles of the half with the full the next day. I will not pretend that the training plan is easy. It was not. I had to give up some things to get the miles in. I had to find new ways to persuade myself to go out for the run when I wanted to do thousands of other things more. But it all paid off.
That to me is biggest benefit of a more weekday volume and shorter long run plan. It's much easier to run 4-6 miles during Monday through Friday and then have a 2.5 to 3 hour run on Saturday than to have to carve out 5-6 hours on Saturday alone.
You may want to get fitted at a local running store. Mine helped me identify what exactly I needed. What works for one runner may not work at all for another. Personal experience works best and as others have shared, you get that through training.

Some additional commentary based on my experience about the shorter training runs:
1. As an aside, I'm an engineer and like numbers, but DopeyBadger really does a lot of quality number crunching. Just wow. (golf clap). Below are my 2-cents worth in support of shorter training with shorter recovery.
2. As noted before, I'm not nearly as thin as I'd like to be and a 9:23 pace in a 10k is the best I've done in decades. I'll be content with 12 min miles for the upcoming Dopey
3. My usual neighborhood training run is 3.5 to 4, sometimes 4.5 miles. Recovery time is less than 24 hours, which means I can go run the next day, or skip the day if necessary (like for date night). For instance, the day after my 10k race, I went and did a 5k on my neighborhood route with no issue. But my routine is to try to do about 3 days a week, and then go to the much flatter greenway for a longer run on the weekend, usually closer to 5 or 6 miles.

That's my training. About an hour on the weekday afternoons (includes warming up, cooling down), and a little more than that on the weekend.

Why will this work for the Dopey?
1. My afternoon runs are a 5k, and my weekend runs show that I can run a 10k without stopping, especially on a fairly flat course, which is WDW (I keep mentioning this because my neighborhood course has two large hills).
2. The half is just two 10k's, which won't be hard doing periodic walk breaks
3. The full is just two halfs, and since I paced myself the first 3 days, I'll finish it with probably 50/50 running/walking, or running/photo breaks.

As much as I would love to come to WDW and set a new PR in the 5k, 10k, or half, I won't because I want to leave gas in the tank for the next day's race, so I will need to deliberately pace myself on the 5k and 10k. My main goals for the weekend are to: have fun, take plenty of pictures, complete all the races, and stay ahead of the sweepers. I'll set my PRs somewhere else.

A few more anecdotal bits in support of how this is working:
1. I ran stadium steps this weekend to go get a snack during a game. My heart was pounding when I got to the top, but was actually only 81 bpm per the Garmin. So pumping stronger, but not overly elevated.
2. When I started in earnest back in the summer, I couldn't do a flat 5k without short walk breaks. Now I can do a 10k without stopping.
3. My average pace since the beginning of August has dropped from 12:09 to 10:13
4. I've dropped 15 pounds this year (I was doing running earlier this year, just not tracking numbers).

YMMV
 
Queue up the Scooby Doo ending from Wayne's World!
My mistake was believing that every training run had to be at race pace. While that mentality helped me finish every race I signed up for, it also left me tired and pretty much done with running on the long runs. Training was the thing that I hated doing, but needed to do in order to have the fun of race day.
A similar thing happened with me. I used to need 2 or 3 days to recover from my long runs when I was only running 3 days a week. Once I started running 5 days a week at a slower pace, I started to feel back to normal on my rest day following the long run.
I used to think this thread was only for serious runners. Instead I found that it's a place where runners of all speeds, abilities, and goals share our own experiences, triumphs, disappointments, and such.
My @DopeyBadger plans consistently had me running in the 20s per week for Dopey. I have finished both marathons just fine despite very hot conditions during both races unlike anything I had ever trained in or raced in before. The accumulated volume and consistency over time really adds up.
I shared the same concerns you have outlined here. Two factors helped me. First off, I knew from previous training experience that following a well laid out and properly designed plan works. I knew that the time spent training reaps the rewards in the end. Secondly, I tested the plan on a half marathon. I had been used to 14 mile long runs for a half marathon. The new plan had me with an 8 mile long run for the half marathon. Despite being an absolute mental wreck and very sore come race due to outside circumstances that contributed to an absolutely terrible start, I wound up crushing my PR by 3 minutes.
I was a mixture of this. I had many runners here share their own experiences with me that helped me begin to wrap my head around the concept. As I began to want to attempt the marathon, I also did not really want to devote 5-6 hours every Saturday with the long runs necessary under the plan I had been using. It was less difficult to put the miles in over the course of the week instead of in one day. At the same time I also came to recognize that even though I could ask the same question 50 different ways, I had to choose to trust the plan and see if it worked. It did. Spectacularly.
I'm one of those plans. I put in more miles than the Galloway plan, but spread them out over 5 days instead of backloading them into one really long run. Despite getting a nasty chest cold 10 days before the race, I was just fine come race day. During each Dopey race, I knew I was feeling stronger after coming off the cold and knew I was exactly where I needed to be when I felt infinitely stronger than usual during the last 3 miles of the half with the full the next day. I will not pretend that the training plan is easy. It was not. I had to give up some things to get the miles in. I had to find new ways to persuade myself to go out for the run when I wanted to do thousands of other things more. But it all paid off.
That to me is biggest benefit of a more weekday volume and shorter long run plan. It's much easier to run 4-6 miles during Monday through Friday and then have a 2.5 to 3 hour run on Saturday than to have to carve out 5-6 hours on Saturday alone.
You may want to get fitted at a local running store. Mine helped me identify what exactly I needed. What works for one runner may not work at all for another. Personal experience works best and as others have shared, you get that through training.
Thank you SO MUCH for your feedback. I want to trust the plan that I am on to get me to the finish line, but I am self-admittedly a rather nervous wreck.
 
As much as I would love to come to WDW and set a new PR in the 5k, 10k, or half, I won't because I want to leave gas in the tank for the next day's race, so I will need to deliberately pace myself on the 5k and 10k. My main goals for the weekend are to: have fun, take plenty of pictures, complete all the races, and stay ahead of the sweepers. I'll set my PRs somewhere else.
I treat WDW races similarly especially when they're part of a challenge. 5K/10K are warmups where I dispose of all my negative thoughts about running and expend as little energy as possible. My worst 10K times and even some half marathons were during Dopey. At times during the half, I literally decide that I'm running too fast during the half and start walking just to slow down especially near the end. If I'm running a half by itself or as the final race in a challenge, I push myself at the end just because I want to be done and I temporarily care about a time goal. But in a challenge event, I almost set the goal to run as slowly as possible.
Thank you SO MUCH for your feedback. I want to trust the plan that I am on to get me to the finish line, but I am self-admittedly a rather nervous wreck.
You're welcome. And remember that it's not easy. I often remind myself in training that I don't have to run the race distance today, but that today's work will help me go the distance when it really counts. I also like to treat shorter runs that I don't feel like doing as a test of sorts for race day. Instead of thinking that I have to run 3 or 4 miles today, I tell myself that I'm on mile 22 or 23 of the marathon so today's run is practicing how to finish strong. When the real mile 22 came during my first marathon, I told myself that I had practiced these next 4 miles many times already and would soon realize my goal. It took me until after my 9th half marathon to learn just how important the mental side of training is. And making that mental adjustment in training helped me enjoy running a lot more. It ceased to be the thing that I was forced to do to avoid being swept on race day and instead became something that I truly enjoyed doing.
 
I treat WDW races similarly especially when they're part of a challenge. 5K/10K are warmups where I dispose of all my negative thoughts about running and expend as little energy as possible. My worst 10K times and even some half marathons were during Dopey. At times during the half, I literally decide that I'm running too fast during the half and start walking just to slow down especially near the end. If I'm running a half by itself or as the final race in a challenge, I push myself at the end just because I want to be done and I temporarily care about a time goal. But in a challenge event, I almost set the goal to run as slowly as possible.
You're welcome. And remember that it's not easy. I often remind myself in training that I don't have to run the race distance today, but that today's work will help me go the distance when it really counts. I also like to treat shorter runs that I don't feel like doing as a test of sorts for race day. Instead of thinking that I have to run 3 or 4 miles today, I tell myself that I'm on mile 22 or 23 of the marathon so today's run is practicing how to finish strong. When the real mile 22 came during my first marathon, I told myself that I had practiced these next 4 miles many times already and would soon realize my goal. It took me until after my 9th half marathon to learn just how important the mental side of training is. And making that mental adjustment in training helped me enjoy running a lot more. It ceased to be the thing that I was forced to do to avoid being swept on race day and instead became something that I truly enjoyed doing.
That's one of the nice things with having access to race videos like from RunArnoRun and RezRuns. Even before running my first marathon, I can now visualize that when I get to Mile 10 I'll be able to see the Magic Kingdom.
 
That's one of the nice things with having access to race videos like from RunArnoRun and RezRuns. Even before running my first marathon, I can now visualize that when I get to Mile 10 I'll be able to see the Magic Kingdom.


Keep in mind that that's assuming RunDisney keeps the course similar to the one run in 2020. The previous marathons that I ran from 2016-2019 all went through MK in the mile 5-6 range. The change in course from 2016-2019 to 2020 was pretty dramatic. We'll see what 2022 has in store...
 
Keep in mind that that's assuming RunDisney keeps the course similar to the one run in 2020. The previous marathons that I ran from 2016-2019 all went through MK in the mile 5-6 range. The change in course from 2016-2019 to 2020 was pretty dramatic. We'll see what 2022 has in store...

And we should know in about a month! Assuming the timing is about the same as W&D.
 
Reeeaaaalllly hoping they can go back to a marathon route similar to years before 2020. I thought starting in EP would be fantastic, but it was just a colossal cluster - literally, a cluster of runners so thick we couldn't, you know, RUN. World Dr, Osceola and Buena Vista are all open and able to use. They adjusted W&D to deal with the TTC ramp under construction (or demolition? hard to say), and the old marathon course used Bear Island Rd anyway, so that part should be fine. I'll gladly take WWOS during the "Hurt Miles" over the craziness of 2020's first couple miles.
 
Keep in mind that that's assuming RunDisney keeps the course similar to the one run in 2020. The previous marathons that I ran from 2016-2019 all went through MK in the mile 5-6 range. The change in course from 2016-2019 to 2020 was pretty dramatic. We'll see what 2022 has in store...

I would really like it if they changed it back. I know there were more runners at the 2020 marathon than will be there in January, but you saw runners coming through almost the four mile mark before many people even started. Then the switch back and a long stretch you are running facing people that are ahead of you.
 
Reeeaaaalllly hoping they can go back to a marathon route similar to years before 2020. I thought starting in EP would be fantastic, but it was just a colossal cluster - literally, a cluster of runners so thick we couldn't, you know, RUN. World Dr, Osceola and Buena Vista are all open and able to use. They adjusted W&D to deal with the TTC ramp under construction (or demolition? hard to say), and the old marathon course used Bear Island Rd anyway, so that part should be fine. I'll gladly take WWOS during the "Hurt Miles" over the craziness of 2020's first couple miles.

It was also an unpleasant deja vu running past the corrals where we had just started from a little while before. Felt like we accomplished nothing to get right back to where we started so we could start the race in earnest.
 
It was also an unpleasant deja vu running past the corrals where we had just started from a little while before. Felt like we accomplished nothing to get right back to where we started so we could start the race in earnest.
I kind of liked that. It felt like we were ~4 miles in and just starting, so only 22 miles to go, rather than 26.
 
While we’re all putting together a wish list of courses, I’d like to see them use the ones from the 2010-2012 time frame with the Red/Blue starts. Running around World Showcase or the front of Epcot was a great way to start the day.

I would love that. Running through Epcot in the dark to start the race was great. My favorite Running photo is the picture of me running in front of Spaceship:Earth in the dark with it all lit up.

For those that weren't doing rD events then here is a map of the course.
 
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Keep in mind that that's assuming RunDisney keeps the course similar to the one run in 2020. The previous marathons that I ran from 2016-2019 all went through MK in the mile 5-6 range. The change in course from 2016-2019 to 2020 was pretty dramatic. We'll see what 2022 has in store...
Yeah, and the 2021 race ran through my neighborhood in Texas, which was a really weird shift.
 
Another day, another question about watches.

I think I’m ready to buy a garmin watch. I’m looking at the vivoactive 4s and the forerunner 245. Both are on sale for $199 right now.

Who has what? What are the pros and cons?
 
It was also an unpleasant deja vu running past the corrals where we had just started from a little while before. Felt like we accomplished nothing to get right back to where we started so we could start the race in earnest.
While realizing you were about 4 miles in. They were taking down the starting gates when I came through. (Yeah, I am not that fast)
 

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