New Four Seasons Timeshare on Disney Property and Value Oriented West Side

[LuvDuke]

Hey LuvDuke and Manning you can beat Disney at their own game. You can use Magical Express to go to DVC and then when you are their you can rent a car for the days you need it to go off property. Then use Magical Express to get back to the airport. You save money on airport transportation. You only rent a car for the days you need it. And instead of trapping you on property you are able to Magical Express allows you to come and go on and save money.

Larry

For me and my family, Disney outsmarted themselves with their price increases, lousy service, and a screw-you attitude towards the Florida resident. We took it one step further: We don't go at all.

Instead, we're going to US/IOA for 3 days, staying at the Royal Pacific for $179 per night, enjoy FOTL access to ALL attractions, a 20% discount on ALL merchandise/food, and an AP that cost $99 to renew.

In addition, with the money we're saving while staying away from the Disney's fabulous new "1,312,401" dream gimmick, we're going to Washington DC via a 2 week car vacation.

Maybe next year, when Disney comes out with a new gimmick, we'll take our Disney vacation money and go to Hawaii instead of a Disney 3-star version of Polynesia at 5-star prices. Keep 'em coming, Iger.

 

[ConcKahuna]

Instead, we're going to US/IOA for 3 days, ...

You can spend 3 days there? I have an AP, but even if I bring people who have never been I can go to both parks and do everything in one day LOL

And being a Poly fan, I do have to say that they are now a 4-diamond resort. Both them and the Grand just got the 4th diamond.

 

[LuvDuke]

You can spend 3 days there? I have an AP, but even if I bring people who have never been I can go to both parks and do everything in one day LOL

And being a Poly fan, I do have to say that they are now a 4-diamond resort. Both them and the Grand just got the 4th diamond.

Yanno what they say about "different strokes".

 

[YoHo]

Yanno what they say about "different strokes".

That it takes them to move the world, yes it does?

 

[rwodonnell]

You know, I have been wondering what exactly is a "luxury hotel", if none of the expensive (to me anyway) Disney resorts qualified.

WDW is not suffering because millions of Americans are demanding 600 thread count cotton sheets on their rental beds or anyother place to have a sea salt facial while having their toes steam cleaned.

Thanks, AV, for shining the light on that mystery, and giving me a good laugh! Given the choice between steam-cleaned toes, and a well-themed "storybook setting", I'll take the storybook!

 

[LuvDuke]

That it takes them to move the world, yes it does?

Mr. YoHo, you lost me here.

 

[YoHo]

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....

Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

 

[LuvDuke]

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....

Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

Ahhh, it doesn't ring a bell.

 

[DisneyKidds]

What u talkin about Luv........

 

[DisneyKidds]

Think TV shows.

Think really screwed up child actors.

 

[YoHo]

Now I think loansharks when I think of him. Cause he's always advertising one of those payday loans places.

 

[LuvDuke]

Oh for crying out loud, if it had teeth, it would've bitten me. Honestly, though, I never watched the show.

 

[raidermatt]

Heathen.

 

[raidermatt]

If you'd like to hear somebody other than the local yocals on this board make some of the same points about these two developments, have a listen to the latest episode of the DIS Unplugged podcast. It's discussed during the first 20 or so minutes, in conjunction with the potential developments at Disneyland Resort.

Not that it proves anything, but maybe it would help to hear it coming from someone without all the baggage some us longtime posters seem to be hauling (at least in the eyes of some).

 

[NCRDU2007]

Hello everyone!

As you can see, I'm new to this board, and I'd like to state why Four Seasons is a good idea for Disney. For background information, I'm 43 with a partner of 17 years, without children. We both love to travel and have been fortunate to visit many wonderful and different places.

Someone mentioned "value", which is what I almost always look for in ANY of my purchases; be that a hotel stay, restaurant dinner, or piece of clothing. That said, I've found the deluxe resorts at Disney tend to be overpriced for what is offered. I've stayed at the CR and POLY, and both times we were upgraded to concierge level rooms. Those upgrades made the "value" of what we paid for, rise greatly.

Disney can, and I believe will, in the future, offer a five diamond, five star type hotel. Obviously, the first will be managed/owned by Four Seasons.

That competition will greatly encourage the Grand Floridian to rise to the occasion. Every exterior light bulb will ALWAYS be lit! The linens will have to be luxury grade, and the bath toiletries will be a recognized exclusive brand. There will be no need to have flowers ordered for the room, the Grand Floridian florist will already have an arrangement in your room. Don't worry techies, wireless internet access is complimentary, along with a three line cordless phone, and flat screen TV in the bath.

All guests, including visitor's to Disney, wish for something they can not get at home. I want my hotel's grounds, rooms and public areas to be at least as nice as at home.

The Four Seasons is a done deal. If you don't think it is a good idea for Disney, don't stay there!

 

[Jaybrad]

Last month while we were visiting WDW I played golf with a couple of WDW employees and they told me that Disney was selling the Osprey Ridge and Eagle Pines property to Four Seasons. They said the golf courses would be torn our for the Four Seasons Resort. I can't imagine why. They said the property was selling for one billion dollars. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Last month while we were visiting WDW I played golf with a couple of WDW employees and they told me that Disney was selling the Osprey Ridge and Eagle Pines property to Four Seasons. They said the golf courses would be torn our for the Four Seasons Resort. I can't imagine why. They said the property was selling for one billion dollars. Can anyone confirm this?

See the thread New Four Seasons Timeshare on Disney Property and Value Oriented West Side, which began March 1, 2007, on this forum. It includes the press release and discussion.

The business terms between Four Seasons and Disney were not disclosed. The amount of "one billion dollars" sound like a cast member rumor.

 

[dwelty]

Are they actually Selling the property, or is this just a long term land lease (Similar to the Dolphin and Swan)? I have read nothing anywhere that talks about an actual land "Purchase" I cannot see Disney selling this land outright.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Are they actually Selling the property, or is this just a long term land lease (Similar to the Dolphin and Swan)? I have read nothing anywhere that talks about an actual land "Purchase" I cannot see Disney selling this land outright.

The Disney Company and Four Seasons have only announced a Letter of Intent, so the financial terms were not disclosed (and may not yet be finalized). Some news articles said Disney would "team" with Four Seasons, but that could mean almost anything (or nothing).

Disney will eventually disclose as much as a publicly traded American corporation is required to disclose by the SEC. Currently, Four Seasons is a publicly traded Canadian company, but they're in the process of going private, so they might not have to disclose anything publicly.

In any case, I would be skeptical of the billion dollar figure from a WDW employee. Sure, we're talking 900 acres of valuable land, but my guess is that the financial terms will be far more complicated than a simple, outright purchase by Four Seasons.

 

[raidermatt]

It is very likely that they are selling a portion of the property. Disney is seeking to de-annex a portion of it for the fractional ownership homes. This is so the owners will not have voting rights in the RCID. The only way they would have voting rights is if they owned the land, hence its a good bet the that portion is being sold.

With regard to the rest of the land, nothing was stated one way or the other.