Continue to be shocked by the rude bully we encountered :(

[bumbershoot]

I see rude but unless something was changed after the original posting I am not seeing bullying.

Same.

Nor do I see rude.


So....when we were interested in watching fireworks at DisneyLAND, we were not allowed to sit when watching from Main Street. (back behind the castle looking in the direction of Small World, where they are shot from, is different...much smaller crowd) Sitting on Main Street at DL, as explained by the CMs, is INCREDIBLY unsafe and risky. It would be horrible enough if, say, a fire broke out during the fireworks and everyone was standing. If people were sitting, it would be a bloodbath. It's utterly and completely ridiculous that WDW allows sitting. I will NOT watch the fireworks there, it's too unsafe.

I felt the same on our first Disney Dream cruise. We were standing with family during the pre-show stuff for Pirate Night. Some started sitting down. We were dressed for dinner; I was in heels and a skirt. DH was in his nice pants. We were tired. Some started calling for everyone to sit down. WHY? The show is *up above*. If we're all standing, we can see. So stand. Fireworks are in the air. Look UP. People got super-rude and bullying about it, and we ended up going to the side of the area. Where we asked a CM, and he said "oh absolutely, they'll be asked to stand soon". But they weren't. They all sat all through it.

Of course, Dream's Pirate night fireworks are dreadful, for anyone who has seen a proper fireworks show (like the old ones at Disneyland, or even Tacoma's July 4th show), so we don't care anymore. But it sticks in my craw.

So...we could have been the ones you were talking to, OP. I didn't *want* to sit. It would have been awkward in my clothing to sit or, worse, to get up. I was tired and sore. It was OK that I didn't want to sit. I wasn't rude or bullying (and from your description, neither was the woman who clearly explained to you that she didn't want to sit), but the group-thought running through the crowd that we SHOULD sit sure felt rude and bullying to me.

It's ridiculous that people sit during fireworks. What a silly thing for them to allow. Next time, imagine a fire breaking out. Imagine a panic sweeping through. Imagine everyone who can get to their feet quickly (young, fit, NO kids) running and running over all the rest who cannot. Imagine it, just put yourself there. You'll never want to sit again, during fireworks, if you really put your mind there.

But I find Wishes to be a poor excuse for a fireworks show, and we don't watch it after the first 1.5 times, so you won't have to worry about us there!

 

[Magpie]

Unfortunately, this behavior is becoming the norm, entitlement and disrespect. I work in a school and see the next generation being raised this way, it's sad really.

So said most every teacher about my generation, back in the 80s.

Happily, this current generation volunteers more of their time for charitable causes than our generation did: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29371988/...-teens-volunteer-work-part-time/#.Vi_sVtKrTmE and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/29/millennials-volunteering_n_6390446.html

 

[dfb]

Moving to and standing in a small space obstructing views where everyone else is sitting is rude. A get in your face "No" when asked to sit, like everyone else, is a bully. They had their view taken instead of their lunch money!

 

[Ava]

I like to sit with my legs stretched out in front of me, or put my backpack on the ground in front of my crossed legs. That way I don't have to be breathing down the necks of the people in front of me, but there also isn't room for anyone to squeeze in between us.

Some people are just oblivious, though. Several times I've had my stroller (with my DD in it) pulled right up to the edge of the curb for a parade and parents would still try to send their kids to sit in front of the stroller. Sorry, unless they sit in the street (which they can't), there is no space there.

 

[Choirmom]

Had something similar happen at our MNSSHP on Oct. 20. DH and I were there for our 25th anniversary (first time to WDW). After watching the parade from Frontierland, we followed it out and had a great view of the stage for the show. Until the show started and the guy in front of me put his kid on his shoulders totally blocking my view. Many people around me were commenting on how rude that was, and he finally took him down. Most of the people that had children just held them in their arms so they were at head level.

 

[LinderInWonderland]

I hate space wars (not to be confused with Star Wars, which I adore.)

I hate getting to an event/parade early and staking out a spot only so people can step in front of me or ask if their kids can sit in front of me so that they now have an excuse to muscle their way in. I want to be kind to children and people with mobility issues, but at this point you need to make a choice. You can either get there before I do and stake out your own spot or you can keep doing what you were doing and stand in the back.

 

[Eastern]

Moving to and standing in a small space obstructing views where everyone else is sitting is rude. A get in your face "No" when asked to sit, like everyone else, is a bully. They had their view taken instead of their lunch money!

I agree. Intimidation, in any form, is bullying.

It's difficult to react accordingly when you are shocked like that.

 

[minnie mum]

I agree. Intimidation, in any form, is bullying.

It's difficult to react accordingly when you are shocked like that.

Since none of us were present at this incident, I'm not sure any of us can call the action intimidation and bullying. Was it a case of the offender "getting in her face" and being "crazy eyed", or was it very noisy there in a packed Hub, and she leaned down so that she could be more easily heard without yelling? None of us know - we only have one side of the story. There are usually more than 2 interpretations to any story, the offender's, the 'victim's and who knows how many witnesses- who all can tell their own version of the same story and believe they are telling the truth.

 

[NavyDad]

Similar thing happened to us on the balcony at CG when we were watching Wishes one night durring dinner. DW and I went out to watch and stood near the rail. There were some people on either side of us and we didn't want to crowd them too much so we stood about 18 inches from the rail. As the show was starting a loud and drunk woman comes flying out and shoves her rear end into a space in front of us about 18" x 36". She was trippin over her heals and grapping onto people as she walked by. She then called her 3 friends over and they all crowd into the same small space laughing and acting like idiots. At this point they have physically crowded us back another 2 feet and the couples next to them another foot or so on either side. One couple ended up getting split up because the gentleman refused to physically push the women back to hold onto his space. They started taking selfies, posing, leaning and grabbing on to strangers. It was just crazy.

I think when you have a lot of people in a crowded area you will see a lot of different people that have different perspectives and different standards of behavior. (Who knows there may be someone going around talking about how the OP was so rude to them)

Next time I will make sure we are on the rail and do not let someone who does not share our manners and values crowd us out.

 

[sunshine1]

My friend did ask them this and they would not turn around to acknowledge the request. I didn't try harder to ask them this because that scenario didn't seem right either as there were other people's views that still would have been blocked.

I'm normally the type of gal who does not allow other's infractions to slip by me, but I did not want to get into it with this couple for many reasons. I'm pretty sure this gal would have had no problem cussing at me, slapping me, hitting me or pushing me and I wasn't about to "go there". It just burns me up when people don't treat others the way they would like to be treated. Would they have liked someone standing in front of them? No. End of story. The reason why I stated she was a bully is because I find her behavior boorish and I have no doubt this gal goes through life disrespecting and intimidating everyone in her path.

Rest assured karma will catch up with them at some point.
Always does.

 

[Vivianne]

I agree. Most likely these people treat each other badly in the course of their lives. So think nothing of treating strangers in a rude way. Rest assured you're better off. They have to live with each other.

 

[capegirl]

We have had the occasional rude encounters at parades. As my dad always says about situations like this, " What's the matter with these people, were they raised by wolves"? Seriously though, I truly think that some people are just clueless when it comes to social behaviour, and I'm always thankful that they are not my neighbors, and I can leave them behind at the parade.

 

[SaintsManiac]

Every single year at Mardi Gras we get people who show up right before a parade starts and stand right in front of us. We go out early morning and camp in the same spot every parade day, all day. I just think there are people who have zero social graces and don't like to be called out on it. I simply stand in front of them or edge them over until they get the hint and leave.

I think it's fine to call her a bully, because she probably is one based on her behavior. Any normal person would have apologized, sat down or moved away from the situation.

 

[wdw4rfam]

That's when those bubble blower guns come in handy. Just aim and fire repetitively until they were soaked

 

[yankeepenny]

OP- Please take some faith that the "rudies and bullies" will got under the Karma bus. Karma is a Lady, and she does not let us down.

 

[BroganMc]

When we were at the MNSSHP a couple weeks ago we camped out on the top of the steps outside Diamond Horsehoe. We both have wheeled vehicles so we're always at the same relatively low 4 foot height. Higher than someone sitting on the ground, but shorter than anyone standing. That's why we went to the top of the stairs and parked about 7 people back from the rope line. Plenty of room on the steps if someone wanted to sit in front of us or even stand down at the bottom by the rope line.

5 minutes before the parade starts a family dressed as characters from Toy Story arrive. Mom, daughter sit on the steps in front of us. Son stands behind us. But dad (aka Mr. Potato Head who happens to be well over 6.5 feet tall) decides to stand right in front of me. I tried to engage him enough to get him to move aside or sit. He mostly ignored me. (He turned around to look at me and then took half a step to his side.) Gave me the impression he was mad that I got to the steps first. He wanted to be on top.

This is why I usually go to the rope line or right up against a fence. Idiots just seem to find wheelchair folks and act like fools. I never try to watch a Castle stage show. EVERYONE there acts like a blind fool when I'm around. What I mean by that is I realize with my chair I am taller than a small child and someone sitting on the ground so I'll sit back a bit and let those folks watch in comfort. But then when the show starts some idiot stands up. Within moments every adult has a kid on their shoulders becoming over 8 feet tall.

Next time I'll start the excessive coughing, sneezing and vomiting noises. Gotta remember the bubble gun too.

 

[Disney Khaleesi]

It's unfortunate that you were put into that situation. I understand with the initial shock, finding a more appropriate reaction was probably difficult. It was most certainly rude behaviour. However, at times I don't think a little assertiveness is wrong. Certainly not as far as some people are saying they've taken it, but it doesn't hurt to stand your ground every once in a while.

 

[MickeyWaffles]

Over the years, I've learned to just not confront people when things like this happen. They always bite back harder and actually ruin the experience and memory more than just trying to adjust or go stand (or sit, I guess) somewhere else.

That said, it's within your right to request they sit down, but knowing they probably won't and they'll be offended you asked.

The reaction is inexcusable, I agree. But after the first no, chances of them sitting are now incredibly low and another request will just make them want to annoy you more. Stubborn, rude people are impossible to reason with.

My only issue is that they were standing on a technical walkway, yes?
I would never, ever stand in front of someone sitting because that's incredibly rude, but I can't believe it's still allowed. I'm seriously shocked that for all the rules WDW has, they still allow sitting on the ground in walkways for fireworks viewing.

 

[Lori74]

i've always taught my kids, assume people are going to make the opposite decision you do. (mostly teaching them driving with this) be prepared for people to not think like you. i just think life is a little easier knowing there are different views and opinions on how people conduct themselves, so you aren't so let down when they behave badly, and are pleasantly surprised when they are kind and do the right thing.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Over the years I've encountered enough of this type of rude behavior and it's the reason we leave the parks early.