"Dress Coded"

I agree about dress codes, as a whole, not being sexist. I don’t think the ones implemented (when they are) in schools are sexist for the most part.

I'm sure many aren't, but I know that ours at one time were. I've posted on here before about the middle school pool party dress code that required girls to wear 1 piece bathing suits AND put on shorts and a t-shirt the minute they got out of the water. Only requirement for boys was that they couldn't wear their baseball caps backwards. In other words, my kid could have pranced around all afternoon in his competition speedo and no one could say a word as long as his hat was facing the proper direction.

Same school dress code had a school wide ban on nylon sports shorts. As in - they were NOT allowed at all per the dress code. When asked by several panicked moms, including myself (DS wouldn't wear anything else at the time), we were told that this was only enforced for the girls to keep them from wearing the Nike style shorts.

The problem isn't that the code itself is sexist in many cases, it's the fact that it's only enforced for the girls and in many cases they are so arbitrary that some teachers take it overboard - whether it's a power trip or a kid they don't like.
 
What in the ever living hell? We would have been at the central office in a skinny minute if it was a public school. I hate these dress codes that seem to shame women at a disproportionate rate.

Yep it was a public school and the dumbest thing ever. It was one teacher that did this and dd had her late in the day. So here they were having been at school until after lunch and this teacher does a "sock check". Now, the rule was that socks had to be black or white maybe or maybe they just couldn't be bright colors, I honestly don't remember now but just thought it was the stupidest thing. Especially when they were wearing pants and they had to raise the leg of their pants to even see the blamed things.
 
At my daughter's school , during spirit week the theme was dress like a movie character. The girls were dress coded for wearing shirts above the knee and the boys were permitted to walk around shirtless all day for Magic Mike, so yeah the dress codes are only for the girls. I am so thankful my kids are beyond public schools.

If schools want a dress code, they should adopt tan pants and a certain color polo shirt for ALL the kids.
 
Yep it was a public school and the dumbest thing ever. It was one teacher that did this and dd had her late in the day. So here they were having been at school until after lunch and this teacher does a "sock check". Now, the rule was that socks had to be black or white maybe or maybe they just couldn't be bright colors, I honestly don't remember now but just thought it was the stupidest thing. Especially when they were wearing pants and they had to raise the leg of their pants to even see the blamed things.

Did they have to wear socks at all? What about things like ballet flats? What about the no show socks?
 
DD tells me that her middle school enforces only one rule for the boys (about sagging pants, and only if "crack" is visible), while they ride the girls for EVERY detail. Again, the excuse given is that violations "are distracting", while what they are NOT saying out loud is that the only ones being protected from distraction are boys. Sagging is a safety issue because kids in this school have to climb stairs constantly, but that's not why they get called down for it.

I will grant that they don't do "line-ups" at any time. I guarantee that if they did, the PTO would be on them like white on rice for wasting instructional time, and so they should.

PS: Our older one attended Catholic school and they had a sock requirement in the uniform, though color did not matter. The reason for it was odor control.
 
I really hate dress codes. They are so one-sided and antiquated.

No one examines the boys in the way they do the girls. It can be humiliating for them (as I know from experience).

If boys can’t concentrate because my daughter’s shoulders are showing, or her shorts are three inches above her knee, that is their issue, not hers.

Boys’ dress codes are based on safety such as “wallet chains”, or the possibility of being distractions, like hats. None (or few) have to do with their actual body.

I’m sure someone will come along and tell me I’m wrong, but I don’t care. That’s my opinion, and yes, I do make my kids follow the rules set in school.

You are 100% right. I still remember a teacher stopping me in the hall in middle school and YANKING my arm down to see if my shorts were too short. Dress codes are absolutely sexist.

The entire concept of many dress code is sexist because it points girls out as sexual objects and boys are uncontrollable hormone machines.

While some banned clothes are a distraction regardless of gender (shirts with obscenities, shirts with confederate flags, shirts with guns, etc.), for the most part the dress code is about preventing clothes that the administration thinks would distract people attracted to girls.

Exactly.

At DD's HS they kinda look at the kids as they come into the school and pull them aside if they are questioning the length of a skirt or shorts. they being said DD is one of those long-legged girls so last year she got pulled aside quite a bit. One time it was the length of a skirt with leggings under. I had to take her clothes and I had checked the last time she had wore that skirt it was fine. When I got there I had her put her arm down and it was fine so I looked at the Asst Principal and she said well it's almost too short (hence the leggings). then A girl walked by into super tight leggings and an almost crop top. The Principal walked in with a couple of administers I looked at all of them and said Frank, Bob next time I will be bringing my lawyer and other Mothers, Told DD to go to class.

Back to Original Post-lol. To do that to the girls in front of the class is totally wrong. I would talk to the Head of the Music Dept if this person is the Head then go to the Admin Building. Also tell them you want this handled in X amount of days. then go Social Facebook, letter to TV or newspaper.

Kae

The fact that parents are called and girls are missing classes over dress code violations makes my blood boil. Who do they think they are to pull parents away from their job because a girl's shorts are too short?

I don't like the comparison to a job having a dress code. At a job you are getting paid to be there. You are meeting with clients or colleagues. In school you are sitting in a desk and learning. There is absolutely no reason to have a dress code at all. In what way are short shorts hurting anyone at school? Who cares if someone is wearing a spaghetti strap? Do you think kids won't be able to dress for work if they don't have a dress code in school? Because that's ridiculous. It's about power and it's about sexism, period.
 
Now, my daughter is a total tomboy and prefers wearing long shorts (think around the knees)
I have no issue with dress codes, but if a teacher can't tell that someone's knee-length shorts are longer than their fingertips...:sad2:

Most employers have dress codes (and yes, I realize a middle-schooler doesn't need to be concerned with that). Few years ago, one of my coworkers came in wearing knee-length shorts. She was sent out to get something appropriate, and came back wearing capris that couldn't have been more than two inches longer. Go figure.
 
I agree with those who say that school dress codes are inherently sexist. Enforcement is almost always targeted at making sure girls cover their bodies, no matter how much people try to shift the conversation to "professional" or "appropriate" dress.

I pitched a fit (not literally - I feel like I have to say that because this is the DIS, but really, I'm a polite, relatively soft-spoken person!) to the principal when older DD was in 4th grade because she had a teacher who would do this any time girls wore shorts or skirts. She would also ask the girls to raise both hands over their heads if she felt their shirts were too short, and then send them to the office for a dress code violation if any skin showed in that position. And the absurd part was that, in that school, the fingertip rule wasn't in the dress code - it states that shorts cannot be shorter than mid-thigh and that shirts that expose the midriff are not allowed. IMO, with which the principal ultimately agreed, both of those things should be able to be assessed in ordinary observation, without singling girls out for examination. Being a girl in our body-conscious society is hard enough without teachers calling undue attention to their physical appearance, especially in front of their peers and classmates.

I know this is a loaded statement and I'll get tons of grief for it but I really don't see why more schools don't go the uniform route. It doesn't have to be complicated - khaki bottoms and a specific color polo shirt would be fine. Give the kids a choice of a couple of different styles/lengths and be done with it. It would be so much easier to enforce and there would be less question of "appropriateness."

As a private school parent, let me tell you... this does NOT solve the problem, and uniform enforcement can get just as ridiculous, distracting and overzealous as dress code enforcement. The sock checks mentioned above are a great example of that. Our school requires a specific brand of black dress shoes that the kids pretty much universally hate, and there are teachers who will do random checks to see if anyone is trying to get away with more comfortable (but still dressy black) shoes. That is just as much a waste of educational time as any dress code enforcement done in a school without uniforms.

There are really two ways a school can go with uniforms. They can impose specific brand and style rules, which can be VERY expensive for parents (DD's blazer, for example, cost $125) and can create problems because the same cut doesn't fit all bodies equally (esp. a problem when schools choose unisex styles that do not accommodate curvy or busty girls). Or they can specify basic traits, ie. khakis and polos, in which case it is more affordable there's still enough potential variation to have some kids in super-skinny khakis from Old Navy while others are in conservative Dockers. And of course, length of shorts and skirts is VERY subjective based on the rates at which different students grow so unless you disallow them entirely you still have length-enforcement issues.
 
As for the argument that many employers have dress codes-- I think that would be a good reason to teach kids about professionalism, how your appearance affects how you are perceived by different audiences, and what to wear in various settings.

I just don't think that is being done effectively with the way most schools present and enforce their dress codes. Every dress code I have ever encountered has an emphasis on sexuality, specifically that girls need to "cover up" so they don't "distract" the boys. To me, that has absolutely nothing to do with teaching life skills essential for the work environment.

When I was in HS, I was ALWAYS within the dress code because, even though I lived in FL, I had my entire body covered every single day. I didn't even own a pair of shorts. And I wore a sweater even if I was outside in August. But that didn't teach me how I should present myself for a job interview or what I should wear for a business dinner.
 
Yes, schools should have dress codes. I wear a uniform at work and we have a five page document about how the uniform is to be exactly worn so I have the ultimate dress code :).

My concern is not having a dress code nor is it with enforcing a dress code. I think that homeroom might be a better place to catch violations and I think that a student who appears to be wearing short shorts can/should be discretely pulled aside and "fingertip" checked (if that is the rule). But to have one teacher, in the middle of the day, make each shorts wearing girl pause in the doorway and be checked does not seem an appropriate way to enforce the dress code.

Not all schools have homeroom first period. As I stated in my previous post, we try to catch them period 1. However, students will take off their hoodies at some point during the day and the shirt they have under that is not dress code appropriate. Those are caught by teachers in the afternoon and even the teachers wonder why the first period teacher didn't catch those spaghetti straps or inappropriate tee.

Boys who wear shorts at our school usually wear basketball shorts and those are almost always knee length. As for the girls and shorts, we usually don't say anything unless they are really booty shorts. If the young lady argues, then we will ask if the shorts are at least mid-hand. We understand that in the fall the girls' short fit them, but the students grow during the non-short months and many of our students don't have the money to buy new clothes. If the shorts are border line we say try not to wear them again. If it's the only shorts they have then we get them new ones from our clothes closet for students. The booty shorts we have them change into PE shorts or have their parents bring them different outfit. This is when a lot of parents lose their minds when they see what the child is actually wearing.
 
As a private school parent, let me tell you... this does NOT solve the problem, and uniform enforcement can get just as ridiculous, distracting and overzealous as dress code enforcement. The sock checks mentioned above are a great example of that. Our school requires a specific brand of black dress shoes that the kids pretty much universally hate, and there are teachers who will do random checks to see if anyone is trying to get away with more comfortable (but still dressy black) shoes. That is just as much a waste of educational time as any dress code enforcement done in a school without uniforms.
In the UK, it's far worse, especially because virtually all schools, even state schools, impose uniform, and those that have academised (ie. given academy status, analogous to charter schools in the US) especially have enforcement that seems to draw parallels with Mao Zedong's China, due to how petty it really is. I often hear stories about how even the most minor of infractions end up with the student isolated or sent home.
 
As a private school parent, let me tell you... this does NOT solve the problem, and uniform enforcement can get just as ridiculous, distracting and overzealous as dress code enforcement. The sock checks mentioned above are a great example of that. Our school requires a specific brand of black dress shoes that the kids pretty much universally hate, and there are teachers who will do random checks to see if anyone is trying to get away with more comfortable (but still dressy black) shoes. That is just as much a waste of educational time as any dress code enforcement done in a school without uniforms.

There are really two ways a school can go with uniforms. They can impose specific brand and style rules, which can be VERY expensive for parents (DD's blazer, for example, cost $125) and can create problems because the same cut doesn't fit all bodies equally (esp. a problem when schools choose unisex styles that do not accommodate curvy or busty girls). Or they can specify basic traits, ie. khakis and polos, in which case it is more affordable there's still enough potential variation to have some kids in super-skinny khakis from Old Navy while others are in conservative Dockers. And of course, length of shorts and skirts is VERY subjective based on the rates at which different students grow so unless you disallow them entirely you still have length-enforcement issues.

My youngest goes to a school with a very strict uniform policy. I posted earlier this year about him getting written up for mis-matched socks.

Our school specifies the uniform pieces come from a certain company (Dennis uniform). They have separate styles for boys and girls and are styled appropriately for older kids. I agree with you that it can be pricey (we have to do the blazer thing next year, I think it's ridiculous) but with Dennis at least the items wear like iron. DS's have been washed twice a week for the entire school year and still look new. We also do a uniform exchange over the summer that keeps the costs down. I don't think I'm spending more overall than I would on regular school clothes. They don't specify shoes, the kids can wear what they want as long as they have closed toes.

For public schools, it wouldn't have to be that specific. We used to live in a neighborhood that had a public school that wore uniforms. They specified khaki bottoms of a couple different styles (plus a jumper and skort option for girls) and a different color collared shirt for every grade, no visible logos. That was it. As soon as the uniform policy was announced, every store in town that sold kids clothes threw up a display of appropriate pieces - you could find them everywhere from Macy's to Wal-mart.

I don't see length as an issue as long as the important bits and pieces are covered. Forget the length requirements, replace them with a coverage requirement and that settles that issue.
 
As a teacher and mom of 2 girls (and a boy), I think dress codes are needed but the enforcement is the problem.

Shoulders and knees should not be a problem. If they are we need to check our sons. Handmaids Tale anyone?

My issue is our middle school has a few teachers who seem to love to "dress code" some girls which puts fear into girls like mine who don't want to be called out in front of everyone. I've been to awards assemblies where I was sure we were all going to be arrested for indecent pictures if some of the girls lifted their arms or moved their legs. Those outfits were fine??? But my kids shoulder if not covered by 3 adult fingers is reason to call me...um no.
 
While I fully understand the point, the concept that school dress codes are "sexist" is hard. Boys and girls typically wear different clothes. For example, I'm not in favor of girls wearing booty shorts to school. I wouldn't be in favor of boys doing it either, but most don't, so it's hard to apply that rule to anyone other than girls. Similarly I wouldn't be in favor of boys wearing ripped muscle shirts to school....I wouldn't be in favor of girls doing it either, but most don't, so the same situation applies. So almost by default, the "dress code" does have to be somewhat different for boys than girls. However, IMO, it needs to be applied as evenly as possible across the board. That's where it gets really difficult, what is "even" and "fair"? I don't have the answer and won't pretend to. I don't envy schools for having to try to manage that. Those teen years boys and girls are starting to come of age, hormones are raging, tastes changing....yikes.

Forget it...easy answer, toga party!!!!
 
Did they have to wear socks at all? What about things like ballet flats? What about the no show socks?

No they didn't have to wear them, which is what made it really stupid. And a lot of the girls just took their socks off before her class. Not sure about no shows.
 
So, I looked up our dress code:

DRESS CODE
The XXXXXXXXXX County Board of Education has a strong commitment to the learning process and has a legitimate interest in regulating student attire and appearance during the school day in an effort to avoid disruption, to promote self-discipline, to promote student health and safety, and to maintain an atmosphere conducive to learning. The school reserves the right to exclude items of apparel or accessories which prove to be:
• Harmful or detrimental to the health, safety or physical well-being of students.
• Damaging to physical facilities.
• Disruptive to normal school activities.
• Individual schools have the right to further define acceptable wearing apparel or accessories.

I cant find anything on our Middle School website with any additional dress code information. It sounds like this teacher is going rogue.
 
My high school did this 20 years ago and more. It's what they do to make sure kids aren't wearing inappropriate shorts and other clothes.
I agree that both genders should be checked (and they were when I was in school), but more than likely the boys aren't getting checked as much because they don't commonly wear "booty shorts" to school like the young ladies.
 

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